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Post by tog on Jul 15, 2021 16:11:03 GMT -6
Unitas almost didn't make it in his era. As far as today? I imagine his scouting report would say- Too short. Long looping arm motion. Carries football too low when setting up. Most successful off play action. Slow footed. Strong arm with good accuracy. His intelligence was also questioned 70 years ago. That could be a real problem in today's era. well, we can agree to disagree about his arm mechanics at least but that's ok brotha |
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Post by fantom on Jul 16, 2021 13:30:51 GMT -6
Its the rings fallacy, the media hypes football up like an individual sport that is won by QBs. Ergo the QB with the most rings must be the best. At their peaks, the only QB I'd say that was better than Marino was Manning, yet they don't have the rings so the talking heads won't bring it up. stabler, baugh, graham, unitas might have a thing or two to say about it too One HOFer who nobody mentions is Starr. Accurate and smart sounds pretty good in a West Coast offense. |
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Post by blb on Jul 16, 2021 13:37:33 GMT -6
stabler, baugh, graham, unitas might have a thing or two to say about it too One HOFer who nobody mentions is Starr. Accurate and smart sounds pretty good in a West Coast offense. Only Brady has won more NFL titles than Starr (five). Only QB to win three NFL titles in a row. One of only two (Bradshaw) to win back-to-back Super Bowl MVPs. |
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Post by tog on Jul 16, 2021 13:41:29 GMT -6
One HOFer who nobody mentions is Starr. Accurate and smart sounds pretty good in a West Coast offense. Only Brady has won more NFL titles than Starr (five). Only QB to win three NFL titles in a row. One of only two (Bradshaw) to win back-to-back Super Bowl MVPs. I would surely take starr him and lombardi threw it around a lot more than folks think |
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 17, 2021 8:48:46 GMT -6
I’ll take Butkus and Payton and then anybody else…. Oh yeah, and Ditka. (Can you tell where I grew up?)
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Post by blb on Jul 17, 2021 9:18:01 GMT -6
I’ll take Butkus and Payton and then anybody else…. Oh yeah, and Ditka. (Can you tell where I grew up?) Berwyn? |
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Post by cqmiller on Jul 17, 2021 18:45:00 GMT -6
We did this as a fun thing for coaches to unwind during down-time during camp... here are the teams we drafted with a full snake draft.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 17, 2021 18:49:58 GMT -6
We did this as a fun thing for coaches to unwind during down-time during camp... here are the teams we drafted with a full snake draft. If you are Casey (CQ) then you win because NOBODY is moving the ball against your Defense Did you guys do an open draft (as in you can draft anyone at any point) or was it by position? |
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Post by cqmiller on Jul 17, 2021 19:17:39 GMT -6
That's me. It's by position. The numbers by our names at the top are what we drew as draft picks. AJ got pick #1 and took Brady. One of our young guys took Rogers at #2 and I stole Montana with 3rd pick.
We went down the list, so AJ got last pick in one round, but 1st pick the next. Some of our younger coaches didn't know some of the older guys. I ended up with all 4 DBs being considered top 5 all-time at their position, and I made sure I got LT, Charles Haley, and Aaron Donald. Sleeper was Merlin Olsen at DT. 14 time pro bowler.
I think I got a pretty good squad. OL was fun since so many of them besides my OL guy (Donnie) don't know anyone on the line besides Larry Allen. Lots of googling during that for most. Only one I Googled was Krause. Couldn't remember name, but I knew the all-time INT leader hadn't been picked
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Post by fantom on Jul 19, 2021 6:06:37 GMT -6
The problem that I have with choosing historical lineups is with the linemen. They had jobs in the offseason so they didn't work out, weight training was rudimentary at best and even discouraged, nutrition-wise they ate what they ate, and supplements were unheard of. If you put 250 lb. Forrest Gregg into a time machine and had him play today I doubt he'd be able to. Magically give him all of the advantages of modern players, though, and he's still a Hall of Famer.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 19, 2021 6:47:07 GMT -6
The problem that I have with choosing historical lineups is with the linemen. They had jobs in the offseason so they didn't work out, weight training was rudimentary at best and even discouraged, nutrition-wise they ate what they ate, and supplements were unheard of. If you put 250 lb. Forrest Gregg into a time machine and had him play today I doubt he'd be able to. Magically give him all of the advantages of modern players, though, and he's still a Hall of Famer. Conversely, I've always wondered how successful I would have been if you could use that time machine to drop a 6'1 285lb college me into 1930 or 1940. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 19, 2021 6:51:55 GMT -6
The problem that I have with choosing historical lineups is with the linemen. They had jobs in the offseason so they didn't work out, weight training was rudimentary at best and even discouraged, nutrition-wise they ate what they ate, and supplements were unheard of. If you put 250 lb. Forrest Gregg into a time machine and had him play today I doubt he'd be able to. Magically give him all of the advantages of modern players, though, and he's still a Hall of Famer. Conversely, I've always wondered how successful I would have been if you could use that time machine to drop a 6'1 285lb college me into 1930 or 1940. Can you imagine today's guards running the Green Bay Sweep? |
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Post by fantom on Jul 19, 2021 7:02:03 GMT -6
DL is where I feel this conversation makes me giddy……I really believe 4 all time greats up there and you could get away with playing cover 2 with nfl minimum guys. College guys talk all the time how the hardest cats to get are dominant DL guys, because of rarity and impact. You can avoid throwing at Deion, but you have to account for a great DL every play, regardless of the play. When watching an NFL game vs any other level, I think it is pretty obvious that the play of the defensive front by far is has the biggest differential between levels. Next might be quarterback play in my opinion. Since I took my offensive skill guys off of the Dollar Menu I saved money for my front four: Deacon Jones, Merlin Olsen, Joe Greene, Howie Long. - |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 19, 2021 7:02:43 GMT -6
Conversely, I've always wondered how successful I would have been if you could use that time machine to drop a 6'1 285lb college me into 1930 or 1940. Can you imagine today's guards running the Green Bay Sweep? Do they have to do it against today's LBers or 1967's? 1967 would see massive carnage. I could see a pre-knee wreckage Butkus messing it up though. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 19, 2021 7:11:05 GMT -6
Can you imagine today's guards running the Green Bay Sweep? Do they have to do it against today's LBers or 1967's? 1967 would see massive carnage. I could see a pre-knee wreckage Butkus messing it up though. Don't misunderstand me. Today's 320 pounders would have heart attacks after one rep of Sweep. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 19, 2021 7:39:17 GMT -6
Do they have to do it against today's LBers or 1967's? 1967 would see massive carnage. I could see a pre-knee wreckage Butkus messing it up though. Don't misunderstand me. Today's 320 pounders would have heart attacks after one rep of Sweep. I think the same guys that spent college running a play every 45 seconds or whatever would find a way to make due running a sweep every 3 minutes. |
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Post by blb on Jul 19, 2021 7:52:40 GMT -6
Don't misunderstand me. Today's 320 pounders would have heart attacks after one rep of Sweep. I think the same guys that spent college running a play every 45 seconds or whatever would find a way to make due running a sweep every 3 minutes. Naah, all they did every 45 seconds in college was either block sideways leaning on somebody or retreat to get run over slowly. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 19, 2021 7:58:16 GMT -6
I think the same guys that spent college running a play every 45 seconds or whatever would find a way to make due running a sweep every 3 minutes. Naah, all they did every 45 seconds in college was either block sideways leaning on somebody or retreat to get run over slowly. Chip Kelly's back in college after trying to run tempo full time in Philly. |
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Post by chi5hi on Jul 24, 2021 20:06:42 GMT -6
Bo Jackson was the greatest running back I ever saw. He ran a 4.13 40 in the '86 NFL combine.
I'd start building my team around him...when he's not playing MLB.
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Post by tog on Jul 25, 2021 0:26:37 GMT -6
I also guess what rules…today’s pansy rules or real Football from the 60s or 70s…..
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 25, 2021 7:33:17 GMT -6
I also guess what rules…today’s pansy rules or real Football from the 60s or 70s….. You mean the pansy rules of the 60s and 70s or the Real football rules of the 20s and 30s….  Perspective my man. Perspective |
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