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Post by larrymoe on Jul 3, 2021 15:45:20 GMT -6
There are several accounts in which people are impersonating the The Cavinder twins (a set of sisters who play for Fresno State) which have 10 TIMES THAT. For fake accounts. The REAL account of those ladies has over 4 MILLION followers. They just signed a deal with Boost Mobile among other companies. LSU gymnast Olivia Dunne has over 1 million on Instagram and 4 million on tik tok. Umm, the popularity of those accounts have nothing to do with them being athletes. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 3, 2021 16:01:20 GMT -6
There are several accounts in which people are impersonating the The Cavinder twins (a set of sisters who play for Fresno State) which have 10 TIMES THAT. For fake accounts. The REAL account of those ladies has over 4 MILLION followers. They just signed a deal with Boost Mobile among other companies. LSU gymnast Olivia Dunne has over 1 million on Instagram and 4 million on tik tok. Umm, the popularity of those accounts have nothing to do with them being athletes. That's kind of the point...  That the money is going to go with the people who create the best brand, not necessarily the most stars on their recruiting profile or the best football program. That is why I think some of the handwringing over the new name, image and likeness policies creating an insurmountable advantage for some programs (the programs already seeming to enjoy unsurmountable advantages) is unwarranted. If you are suggesting it is just because of the looks of those athletes, well I would argue that majority of their followers are not males... |
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Post by Defcord on Jul 3, 2021 16:50:41 GMT -6
You’re arguing opposite ends of the spectrum. What about Alabama and Auburn for example. Auburn does beat Alabama on a few recruits yearly but will they now lose those guys because of the exposure and money opportunities playing at Alabama can bring I’m not talking about booger eating teams vs the big boys. I’m talking about the middle pack teams that DO climb into the big picture yearly after keeping a few big time players at home. Wouldn't scholarship limits and the fact that you can only put 11 on the field mitigate those concerns? This isn't 1968 where Bear Bryant would offer scholarships as a preventative measure to keep potential athletes from playing against him. If you have a great kid and being compensated for his name, image, and likeness are a concern for him and his family, is he going to Bama or Clemson and splitting time or worse, sitting behind the next Najee Harris or Travis Etienne for 3 years? There is no brand building in that. Is he going to go split time or sit behind J.K Dobbins at Ohio State? Is your stud quarterback going to OU to sit behind Spencer Rattler until he leaves? It is all about building a brand. Larrymoe mentioned Kofi Cockburn- maybe the premiere NCAA mens's basketball player. He has 93 followers on tik tok. There are several accounts in which people are impersonating the The Cavinder twins (a set of sisters who play for Fresno State) which have 10 TIMES THAT. For fake accounts. The REAL account of those ladies has over 4 MILLION followers. They just signed a deal with Boost Mobile among other companies. LSU gymnast Olivia Dunne has over 1 million on Instagram and 4 million on tik tok. HER SISTER has over a quarter million followers on tik tok with an account named "FORGOTTEN SIBLINGS- LIVVY'S SISTER"!!! That is where this is headed. I don't think the football powers are feeling very secure right now, because this NIL is opening things up to the best strategies, not necessarily the biggest football power. You know where those 3 young women were on July 1st? Times Square. I think LSU may have struck the first blow nationally, by unveiling their NILSU marketing campaign. But thats just luck and happenstance because of the initials. Has nothing to do with them as a sports power. Which university comes up with the next best strategy? The wildcard in all of this- how do the businesses adjust to the college athletic landscape. First hurdle :RIVALRIES. Milo’s tea is learning that lesson- partnered with Auburn’s QB Bo Nix- and instantly might regret it as Bama fans are now rallying against Milo’s lol In regards to your question about are those kids going to the Alabamas and Clemsons, I think the answer is yes. At least for a year. Then if they don’t play they jump ship. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 3, 2021 16:58:23 GMT -6
Umm, the popularity of those accounts have nothing to do with them being athletes. That's kind of the point... That the money is going to go with the people who create the best brand, not necessarily the most stars on their recruiting profile or the best football program. That is why I think some of the handwringing over the new name, image and likeness policies creating an insurmountable advantage for some programs (the programs already seeming to enjoy unsurmountable advantages) is unwarranted. If you are suggesting it is just because of the looks of those athletes, well I would argue that majority of their followers are not males... I forgot that only males are attracted to blondes who post bikini pictures every other day... |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 3, 2021 17:23:17 GMT -6
Wouldn't scholarship limits and the fact that you can only put 11 on the field mitigate those concerns? This isn't 1968 where Bear Bryant would offer scholarships as a preventative measure to keep potential athletes from playing against him. If you have a great kid and being compensated for his name, image, and likeness are a concern for him and his family, is he going to Bama or Clemson and splitting time or worse, sitting behind the next Najee Harris or Travis Etienne for 3 years? There is no brand building in that. Is he going to go split time or sit behind J.K Dobbins at Ohio State? Is your stud quarterback going to OU to sit behind Spencer Rattler until he leaves? It is all about building a brand. Larrymoe mentioned Kofi Cockburn- maybe the premiere NCAA mens's basketball player. He has 93 followers on tik tok. There are several accounts in which people are impersonating the The Cavinder twins (a set of sisters who play for Fresno State) which have 10 TIMES THAT. For fake accounts. The REAL account of those ladies has over 4 MILLION followers. They just signed a deal with Boost Mobile among other companies. LSU gymnast Olivia Dunne has over 1 million on Instagram and 4 million on tik tok. HER SISTER has over a quarter million followers on tik tok with an account named "FORGOTTEN SIBLINGS- LIVVY'S SISTER"!!! That is where this is headed. I don't think the football powers are feeling very secure right now, because this NIL is opening things up to the best strategies, not necessarily the biggest football power. You know where those 3 young women were on July 1st? Times Square. I think LSU may have struck the first blow nationally, by unveiling their NILSU marketing campaign. But thats just luck and happenstance because of the initials. Has nothing to do with them as a sports power. Which university comes up with the next best strategy? The wildcard in all of this- how do the businesses adjust to the college athletic landscape. First hurdle :RIVALRIES. Milo’s tea is learning that lesson- partnered with Auburn’s QB Bo Nix- and instantly might regret it as Bama fans are now rallying against Milo’s lol In regards to your question about are those kids going to the Alabamas and Clemsons, I think the answer is yes. At least for a year. Then if they don’t play they jump ship. Perhaps sure, as has been the case for entirety of college football. So that wouldn't be because of the new NIL policy correct? That is why I worded it as I did. A kid concerned about being compensated for his name, image, and likeness. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 3, 2021 17:27:11 GMT -6
That's kind of the point... That the money is going to go with the people who create the best brand, not necessarily the most stars on their recruiting profile or the best football program. That is why I think some of the handwringing over the new name, image and likeness policies creating an insurmountable advantage for some programs (the programs already seeming to enjoy unsurmountable advantages) is unwarranted. If you are suggesting it is just because of the looks of those athletes, well I would argue that majority of their followers are not males... I forgot that only males are attracted to blondes who post bikini pictures every other day... So you think that female followers of females on social media are doing so due to sexual attraction??? Really? Or just that the whole social media following thing in general is based on attraction? |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 3, 2021 17:33:31 GMT -6
Have you looked at their accounts?
I'm sure Abella Danger's 8.6 million Instagram followers are there for her political views.
Sidenote- 33% of Gen Z identifies somewhere on the LGBTQ scale.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 3, 2021 18:02:21 GMT -6
Have you looked at their accounts? I'm sure Abella Danger's 8.6 million Instagram followers are there for her political views. Sidenote- 33% of Gen Z identifies somewhere on the LGBTQ scale. so 67% doesn't. And even those 33%, you think they follow these athletes on social media because of some lust filled desire? Really? Man, you really are derailing this thread with some strange views here while simultaneously displaying you have very little grasp of how current social media marketing/influencing is changing the advertising field. Not to mention, how does ANY of what you are typing have anything to do with the pearl clutching claims that NIL policies will now make Bama and Clemson and OSU and OU untouchable... given that they basically were untouchable the last 7 years. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 3, 2021 18:47:22 GMT -6
Man, you really are derailing this thread with some strange views here while simultaneously displaying you have very little grasp of how current social media marketing/influencing is changing the advertising field I'm pretty sure I understand it. Step 1- be attractive Step 2- post pictures of you in skimpy clothing Step 3- get lots of followers Step 4- get companies to give you money to hock their crap Did I miss some amazing nuance? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 3, 2021 19:05:36 GMT -6
Man, you really are derailing this thread with some strange views here while simultaneously displaying you have very little grasp of how current social media marketing/influencing is changing the advertising field I'm pretty sure I understand it. Step 1- be attractive Step 2- post pictures of you in skimpy clothing Step 3- get lots of followers Step 4- get companies to give you money to hock their crap Did I miss some amazing nuance? Maybe that the #1 social influencer in the country is a 9 year old boy who plays with toys.... But sure, whatever. |
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Post by dubber on Jul 3, 2021 21:22:59 GMT -6
EA Sports gonna get back in the game?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 3, 2021 21:48:06 GMT -6
EA Sports gonna get back in the game? They had announced before this that yes they were developing a product regardless of NIL. Last I heard it was set for summer of 2023. I don't know if the NIL will have much of an influence to be honest because it seems impossible to enter into individual agreements with all of the potential participants. NIL policy isn't the same as negotiating with NFLPA. |
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Post by mattman2 on Jul 4, 2021 7:40:13 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see how this affects high school sports. Besides football, there is a huge push towards the private sector. If colleges start recruiting more from the private/ club teams, how will it affect poorer communities and the kids notable to afford the costs. Obviously the the top players will be found, but a lot of kids will miss out on d2 d3 opportunities.
Also, wondering if the major college alum will open prep schools adjacent to the college and start to play a national schedule. These kids could start making money when they are 14-15 years old.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 4, 2021 8:18:25 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see how this affects high school sports. Besides football, there is a huge push towards the private sector. If colleges start recruiting more from the private/ club teams, how will it affect poorer communities and the kids notable to afford the costs. Obviously the the top players will be found, but a lot of kids will miss out on d2 d3 opportunities. Also, wondering if the major college alum will open prep schools adjacent to the college and start to play a national schedule. These kids could start making money when they are 14-15 years old. I don't really follow you here. I am not sure what your concerns are given that in general high schoolers don't choose between HS and club sports, they play both versions in their given sport. I don't see how a change in policy that allows college athletes to receive compensation for their name, image, and likeness would encourage others to see this as an opportunity to open prep schools. Maybe I am reading this wrong, but are you suggesting that since a college athlete can now get paid to do an add for the local chicken finger establishment there is somehow an opportunity for investors to see profits from creating a national HS league? Keep in mind that just because this policy and state law might now allow HS athletes to be compensated for NIL as well (free from fears of losing NCAA eligibility) , it doesn't necessarily mean that those same HS athletes would be approached and offered any such compensation. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 4, 2021 16:01:34 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see how this affects high school sports. Besides football, there is a huge push towards the private sector. If colleges start recruiting more from the private/ club teams, how will it affect poorer communities and the kids notable to afford the costs. Obviously the the top players will be found, but a lot of kids will miss out on d2 d3 opportunities. Also, wondering if the major college alum will open prep schools adjacent to the college and start to play a national schedule. These kids could start making money when they are 14-15 years old. I don't really follow you here. I am not sure what your concerns are given that in general high schoolers don't choose between HS and club sports, they play both versions in their given sport. I don't see how a change in policy that allows college athletes to receive compensation for their name, image, and likeness would encourage others to see this as an opportunity to open prep schools. Maybe I am reading this wrong, but are you suggesting that since a college athlete can now get paid to do an add for the local chicken finger establishment there is somehow an opportunity for investors to see profits from creating a national HS league? Keep in mind that just because this policy and state law might now allow HS athletes to be compensated for NIL as well (free from fears of losing NCAA eligibility) , it doesn't necessarily mean that those same HS athletes would be approached and offered any such compensation. If CoachWoody's 7-7 travel team has 1.46 million TwitTokFaceGram followers, there is an incentive for a 14 YO to be linked to that. Also, now college athletic departments have to compete for advertising dollars not just its other spenders, but with the kids on their own roster. I'm actually on the side of the NIL ruling, but certainly the landscape will change dramatically and those who have thought/worked through the process will gain huge advantages. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 4, 2021 17:05:11 GMT -6
You now have to players. It’s no longer about academics, but what cup cake job will pay to do nothing. At the highest levels, it never was about academics. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 4, 2021 17:37:18 GMT -6
At the highest levels, it never was about academics. the idea, selling point, GONE. And the nfl? Not a selling point. Such PITHY responses. It is like you want things to go back to 1862 or something similar. Hard to believe though, because sometimes you sound young, like you GRADuated in ' 17 or something like that. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 4, 2021 18:01:32 GMT -6
At the highest levels, it never was about academics. the idea, selling point, GONE. And the nfl? Not a selling point. What? Are you trying to say top programs don't use the NFL as a selling point to potential recruits? Have you ever seen the stuff the use to recruit? That's one of their top points. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 4, 2021 18:02:15 GMT -6
the idea, selling point, GONE. And the nfl? Not a selling point. Such PITHY responses. It is like you want things to go back to 1862 or something similar. Hard to believe though, because sometimes you sound young, like you GRADuated in ' 17 or something like that. Someone's been in the Smirnoff red white and blues early this year. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 4, 2021 18:10:56 GMT -6
Such PITHY responses. It is like you want things to go back to 1862 or something similar. Hard to believe though, because sometimes you sound young, like you GRADuated in ' 17 or something like that. Someone's been in the Smirnoff red white and blues early this year. Give it a minute or two. I am sure many of the regular posters here already got it. You may just be a little slow on the uptake these days  |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 5, 2021 6:29:04 GMT -6
What? Are you trying to say top programs don't use the NFL as a selling point to potential recruits? Have you ever seen the stuff the use to recruit? That's one of their top points. the selling point of the nfl,the riches of the nfl? Not really a draw. Not if you can work a do nothing lucrative job for 4 yrs. Ya. Who needs 100+ million dollars potentially when you could make a couple thousand selling sweet tea? |
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That the money is going to go with the people who create the best brand, not necessarily the most stars on their recruiting profile or the best football program. That is why I think some of the handwringing over the new name, image and likeness policies creating an insurmountable advantage for some programs (the programs already seeming to enjoy unsurmountable advantages) is unwarranted. 
