nabber
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Post by nabber on Dec 24, 2005 20:45:37 GMT -6
Great site! I have spent the last two days reading all I could.
One thing I have noticed is many of you played college football. For those that did not, do you feel at a disavantage or less qualified?
I played at a large HS and started but did not even consider playing in college (Not that I could have). I fell into teaching and coaching by accident and love it. I have 3 years at MS, 2 years HS JV and 2 years Varsity assistant. I wish to progress in my coaching career but sometimes feel like my lack of college experience might hold me back. Any thoughts or comments are appreciated.
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Post by los on Dec 24, 2005 22:09:56 GMT -6
Great players rarely make the best coaches, IMO. If you're not coaching at the college level, you shouldn't need to have played or experienced that stuff to be a successful high school coach! Just keep your eyes and ears open and learn from everyone you can! Nobody knows everything and you never stop learning!
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Post by saintrad on Dec 24, 2005 22:16:36 GMT -6
nabber-
some of us have limited HS playing experince but have been able to have decent coaching careers despite that (4 yrs V, 1 JV, 1 Frosh, 7 yrs MS) and have been know as a good coach because I focus on the kids and teaching them how to be the best at what they do. Just remember, Mike Leach (1yr V, 2 JV, no college), BUddy Ryan (no HS or college) and Jim Mora Jr (2 yrs JV) have done well by never having played in college.
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Post by tog on Dec 24, 2005 22:24:25 GMT -6
shouldn't be an issue in the least
all it does is give you something to talk about with other guys that might have played too
other than that, all I see people looking for is good guys with work ethic that love the game and want to mold boys into men.
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Post by aztec on Dec 24, 2005 22:32:48 GMT -6
Charley Weiss (did I spell it right?) He didn't play in college. Most players understand their position, but not the whole scheme. It takes time and studying to understand a scheme. Most of us on our staff did play college ball, but does that make us better coaches, no. We all have one thing in common, the love of the game. One of my good assistants didn't play college ball, but did play for our HS. He is a huge assest to our program because of his work ethic and abilty to see tendencies.
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Post by tog on Dec 24, 2005 22:34:38 GMT -6
work ethic can cure a lot of things
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nabber
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Post by nabber on Dec 24, 2005 22:47:17 GMT -6
Thanks for the responses. So far it has never been an issue where I coach. Personally, I don't feel less qualified. I have always been a student of the game and will continue to learn. I also have a strong work ethic and think I am a good teacher, both in the classroom and on the field. I was just curious what others had to say. If I ever leave this school and apply elsewhere, I would like to be prepared for someone questioning me about that.
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Post by los on Dec 24, 2005 22:48:27 GMT -6
Buddy Ryan learned his tough defense at the university of Korea in the early 50's.
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Post by airman on Dec 24, 2005 22:51:53 GMT -6
mike leach never played college football. infact he was a bench warmer in h.s.
fran at texas a@m never played college ball. he did play college baseball.
there are like 6 head col. who never played college ball.
i redshirted and played only a year.
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Post by coachjd on Dec 25, 2005 8:40:17 GMT -6
Lou Holtz
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Post by airman on Dec 25, 2005 10:53:31 GMT -6
holtz was a reserve lber on his college team. he played jv football. |
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Post by Yash on Dec 25, 2005 12:39:43 GMT -6
Charlie Weis never played football, 4 rings later I think he's done alright.
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Post by oguru on Dec 26, 2005 2:31:36 GMT -6
I am a offensive coordinator at the college lvel,and do not thnk it matters. I never did play college and rarey ever saw the field in high school.
What makes a good coach is how organized you are and whether you can teach the players what you want them to do, which I can.
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fish
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Post by fish on Dec 26, 2005 22:35:47 GMT -6
i did not play college ball. played hs for a successful program. i don't think it matters in how good a coach you are. i think the biggest place it helps is opening doors.
the only thing i regret is not getting involved with the program at my college. i wish i had known at the time about becoming some sort of student volunteer for the program.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 26, 2005 22:45:01 GMT -6
playing college ball helps more in the "connections" department than it probably does in the coaching department. it definitely can open some doorways that, otherwise, might not happen for those that didn't play college ball (or lack those connections the college playing "experience" provided - teammates, coaches, boosters.)
but, it does give some insight into how things can be done at the larger levels.....
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Post by ogie4 on Dec 26, 2005 23:03:30 GMT -6
I played college football and I believe it has no bearing on how good a coach you are
, Huey said it best, it only helps with networks and gives you a short advantage when you first start your coaching career in understanding systems, after one or two years max, a coach who didn't play in college will be caught up just by doing it. Some of the best coaches I know didn't play in college.
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nabber
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Post by nabber on Dec 27, 2005 0:13:37 GMT -6
I agree about college ball offering some insight. Fortunately, the guys I coach with that did play college ball have been very helpful and willing to share with me how things were done at their schools. Like others have mentioned, just because someone plays college ball doesn't mean they get the big picture. I know some people that played college ball that did not have a clue to what was going on outside their position.
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Post by jr235 on Dec 27, 2005 10:41:25 GMT -6
Some of the best coaches on my staff never played college football and a few never played high school football. Also, some of the worst were great college Div. 1 players. Few were fired, the main ingredient is having a burning desire to coach football. If they have that, you have a great coach in the making as they will absorb the knowledge very quick in just a few years. I finally figured that out after a couple of each types. By the way, I played 5 years, was red shirt 1st. Hire people that eat, breath and sleep football with good character. Also, those coaches who have a special interest with the weight room, computers, coaching the OL, QB, DB's. jr235
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Post by brophy on Dec 27, 2005 10:50:47 GMT -6
playing in college looks great when you are recruiting, though
I have no dazzling resume, feel I can coach competently and know some stuff, but I would certainly be more attractive to my next employer if I had a better 'pedigree'....than just playing at the DIII level.
At least, that's what BILL BELICHICK told me last night at dinner
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Post by jhanawa on Dec 29, 2005 22:58:31 GMT -6
I guess it depends on if you paid attention in college or not.
To be subjected to some of the brightest minds in football for 4 years for 4 hours a day is an great opportunity.
In my opinion it is an advantage, I played TE in college and was exposed to the O-Line meetings as well as the backs, receivers, QB's meetings and special teams, therefore, I gained an invaluable insight into the total game rather than just my postion. Immersion in this environment of film, hands on learning and being taught by great coaches is in my opinion a better way to learn football than through HS football, clinics or books. I am NOT saying that you cannot be a good or great coach if you didn't play college ball, or that you can't gain knowledge from other sources, which is in fact is why we are here swapping knowledge, but in my opinion the college experience is a wonderful opportunity to learn football at a very high and intense level that isn't available through other means. This intensity and attention to detail is NOT the same as it is on the HS level, so being exposed to it first hand is an advantage, IMO.
Now, how you apply your knowledge, this is what defines a good coach.
This is where guys who may have been good players and have a football IQ might struggle because they lack the communication skills to be effective teachers of the game. After all, it's not how much the coach knows, it's how much his players know.
In one word, its communication.
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 29, 2005 23:19:14 GMT -6
Didnt play college, HS only, was a 3 year starter and letterman, all conference and all district player. Wish I could have played for a better team though.
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Post by sls on Dec 30, 2005 14:56:48 GMT -6
I was an assitant with 2 D1 players, a CB from Purdue and an OL form Missouri. they were not very good coaches, particularly the CB. Playing the game was so easy for them they had a really hard time teaching to H.S. kids.
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nabber
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Post by nabber on Dec 30, 2005 21:38:20 GMT -6
but in my opinion the college experience is a wonderful opportunity to learn football at a very high and intense level that isn't available through other means. This intensity and attention to detail is NOT the same as it is on the HS level, so being exposed to it first hand is an advantage, IMO. (this is my first time using the quotes, hope it works) I think Jhanawa is right on the money and that is why, now that I am coaching, I wish I had that experience. I think it would have been great to just be on a team at a small school learning more football. Of course, hind sight is 20-20 and there is nothing I can do about it now. I agree though that playing college ball does not necessarily make someone a good coach. |
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nabber
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Post by nabber on Dec 30, 2005 21:41:05 GMT -6
I guess I did not use the quotes correctly. The first paragraph in my previous post is a quote from Jhanawa.
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Post by brophy on Dec 31, 2005 12:27:12 GMT -6
had one coach was QB for Southern Miss.....I liked the guy and he knew quarterbacking, but was a horrible coach. Left a few games early (because he had to get up early the next day....what?!?!)
Also had a D1AA All American Center who was a great teacher of OL play....great guy....but didn't know about much else.
What seems to make a "good" coach seems to be his level of dedication and passion.
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Post by pegleg on Dec 31, 2005 12:46:55 GMT -6
was a bench warming wr in hs.
now i coach the ol and am an oc. so i guess it really doesn't matter a whole lot as long as you work hard and love what yhou do.
Holla
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Post by jhanawa on Dec 31, 2005 15:29:19 GMT -6
Brophy, Pegleg,
You are correct, passion and a love for the game is the driving force, also, a ever lasting thirst to gain knowledge is paramount. What I was trying to say was that exposure to great college coaches on daily basis was a great way to learn football, not the only way.
In college I was a sponge for football knowledge, however, there were a lot of guys who couldn't remember their own assignments let alone try to learn anyone elses positions. Personally, knowing the entire picture helped me on the field, being able anticipate coverages or stunts based on aligments, etc...
One of the things that I stress on our team is knowing the whole picture, we cross train our skill kids, my QB's run reps at receiver and RB, my X and Z are interchangable, my F and R are also....It gets to the point where all of the skill kids can play 3-4 positions, which is a nice thing to have.
Regards,
Jim
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Post by DLine06 on Jan 2, 2006 0:40:49 GMT -6
My right arm was damaged at birth by a doctor when I was born.
I have 8th, 9th and 2 years of JV exp. I had 10 plays worth of Varsity. Lucky enough to bust my behind, correct things and start until Varsity.
My goal is to try to walk-on either at Texas Tech or Texas A&M. However having no varsity experience means, I don't have a highlight video.
Anyone can tinker with a pencil and paper, do everything right and still can't be successiful coaching. I honestly think in my mind that people are called upon their craft such as preaching, pro athletes and such. I just hope that I will be called upon to coach.
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Post by jimbohale on Jan 2, 2006 1:23:05 GMT -6
Anyone can tinker with a pencil and paper, do everything right and still can't be successiful coaching. I honestly think in my mind that people are called upon their craft such as preaching, pro athletes and such. I just hope that I will be called upon to coach. I agree wholeheartedly that a person is "called" to teach and coach. There are many preachers out there who flat out suck and DO NOT practice what they preach (literally) and the same goes for football coaches. Playing at a high level in college (Div 1A & 1-AA), in most cases, will expose an athlete to better coaching (at least in terms of knowledge of the game, ability to make adjustments, etc.) than at the D2, D3 or NAIA level because of the caliber of coaches available (This is DEFINITELY not always the case) as many small college level coaches (with the exception of the HC) are 22-23 years old and fresh out of college, themselves. Of course, others on the board who have expressed that getting into coaching early rather than playing also have a point, because they are getting a jump by getting on the OTHER side of the game early (Im sure we all agree that as coaches we look at the game differently than we did as players, which for me is a good thing). My personal opinion is that you either have "it" or you simply DON'T have "it". Having tons of knowledge means little if you can't relay it to the other coaches or players. Thats just my opinion, though. |
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Post by fort on Jan 2, 2006 1:55:34 GMT -6
My right arm was damaged at birth by a doctor when I was born. I have 8th, 9th and 2 years of JV exp. I had 10 plays worth of Varsity. Lucky enough to bust my behind, correct things and start until Varsity. My goal is to try to walk-on either at Texas Tech or Texas A&M. However having no varsity experience means, I don't have a highlight video. Anyone can tinker with a pencil and paper, do everything right and still can't be successiful coaching. I honestly think in my mind that people are called upon their craft such as preaching, pro athletes and such. I just hope that I will be called upon to coach. I've heard walking-on is tough also. If you're willing to work hard enough, give it a try. |
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