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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 25, 2020 11:31:41 GMT -6
We as a football program implemented a grade policy with our new HC. It entails weekly grade checks, and any kid under an 85 has mandatory study hall. If your grade is below a 70, you will not be allowed to play that week. Kids have until Friday to get their poor grades right (or Thursday for sub varsity guys). Teachers CAN submit an override is they feel like the player is making every effort to improve his grade. Kids are notified on Monday if they are required to attend study hall.
Our state grade scale is the basic 10 point scale, A= 90-100, B= 80-89, etc... 60 is the minimum passing grade. Our HC had implemented this at his previous stop, and at that time SC had a modified grade scale where 70 was the minimum passing grade and the 85 was the minimum B (anyone making A's and B's didn't have study hall, that's why he had picked 85 for the study hall requirement) and he never adjusted the numbers.
I'm interested in how y'all go about doing such requirements. Do y'all have policies that are similar? Different? Does your program control the criteria or is it set by the school district? Do you have a set grade number or does anybody just have a 'no zeros' policy?
Thanks for input.
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Post by **** on Dec 25, 2020 12:14:02 GMT -6
We do basically the same thing.
Grade checks every 2 weeks. Ds and Fs come to study hall before school. Thought about changing it to after Thursday practice.
School goes by normal state policy of semester eligibility. We hold kids to higher standard.
I didn’t mess with it this year due to all the covid stuff going on.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 25, 2020 12:47:04 GMT -6
Initial eligibility is based on the previous semester, you have to be over a 2.0 to be eligible. After that the state has a grade check every three weeks. At those grade checks it's ok to have a D but anybody with an F is put on probation for a week. If their grade is still an F after a week they are ineligible for the following game. If the grade is still an F the week after that they are removed from the team.
Separate from all that we have our own policy that you must have better than a 2.5 GPA to be a starter. Otherwise you sit out the first 2 series. If a kid didn't have that GPA for the previous semester but gets it up by the 3 week grade check then they are eligible to be a starter for us.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 25, 2020 12:51:26 GMT -6
We do basically the same thing. Grade checks every 2 weeks. Ds and Fs come to study hall before school. Thought about changing it to after Thursday practice. School goes by normal state policy of semester eligibility. We hold kids to higher standard. I didn’t mess with it this year due to all the covid stuff going on. Oh, I left out the changes for this year. In the past the HC only had study hall on Thursday afternoon for about 2 hours, there was no practice/walk through on Thursdays after school, so if they didn't have study hall the kids had the afternoon off. This year we started on a hybrid A/B model. Kids either in school Mon/Wed or Tues/Thur and the other days you didn't have face to face you streamed the class via Teams. So the HC had to build in time for kids at home to finish their online time and then get to school, so we had study hall every day for 30 minutes for the kids that were required to have SH, on the days they were in the building. |
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Post by nhsehs on Dec 25, 2020 16:04:43 GMT -6
Texas is no pass/no play. The grade check dates depend on your school calendar. Some grade checks you gain or lose eligibility and some are gain only.
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Post by **** on Dec 25, 2020 18:51:40 GMT -6
We do basically the same thing. Grade checks every 2 weeks. Ds and Fs come to study hall before school. Thought about changing it to after Thursday practice. School goes by normal state policy of semester eligibility. We hold kids to higher standard. I didn’t mess with it this year due to all the covid stuff going on. Oh, I left out the changes for this year. In the past the HC only had study hall on Thursday afternoon for about 2 hours, there was no practice/walk through on Thursdays after school, so if they didn't have study hall the kids had the afternoon off. This year we started on a hybrid A/B model. Kids either in school Mon/Wed or Tues/Thur and the other days you didn't have face to face you streamed the class via Teams. So the HC had to build in time for kids at home to finish their online time and then get to school, so we had study hall every day for 30 minutes for the kids that were required to have SH, on the days they were in the building. This is exactly what I’ve thought about doing. Thursday practice is like a waste of time |
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Post by coachscdub on Dec 25, 2020 19:43:31 GMT -6
We do it by grading period and each grading period has a check in along the way. Usually the first grading period ends about a week or two before the season ends, the last two years at two different schools they ended after the season which was nice.
We had and I'm not kidding here at least 15 students last year who had all A's and one F. They had great GPA's (imo) but based on your way they wouldn't have gotten to play, which firstly would've screwed us, and secondly been an overreaction at least imo. I think check ins and study halls are important but every week checking grades seems like doing to much. As long as they have above a 2.0 they get to play, and or as long as no admin tells us they cant play.
After the season ends the kids are still in the football class and those who are struggling academically will just go to the library or a classroom for study hall and the others get to play basketball and lift weights.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 26, 2020 1:23:00 GMT -6
Oh, I left out the changes for this year. In the past the HC only had study hall on Thursday afternoon for about 2 hours, there was no practice/walk through on Thursdays after school, so if they didn't have study hall the kids had the afternoon off. This year we started on a hybrid A/B model. Kids either in school Mon/Wed or Tues/Thur and the other days you didn't have face to face you streamed the class via Teams. So the HC had to build in time for kids at home to finish their online time and then get to school, so we had study hall every day for 30 minutes for the kids that were required to have SH, on the days they were in the building. This is exactly what I’ve thought about doing. Thursday practice is like a waste of time Not to sidetrack but our Thursday SUCKED for years. Like sucked to the point that we would complete like 5 passes all practice and give up about 10 touchdowns on defense kind of suck. We made a change a few years back to make that a full padded practice rather than a walk through type of thing. It still isn't great by any means but we don't walk off the field thinking we are going to lose by 50 every week anymore. Basically we pulled back on the contact on Tuesday and moved it to Thursday, it's been a better model for us. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 26, 2020 3:58:47 GMT -6
Oh, I left out the changes for this year. In the past the HC only had study hall on Thursday afternoon for about 2 hours, there was no practice/walk through on Thursdays after school, so if they didn't have study hall the kids had the afternoon off. This year we started on a hybrid A/B model. Kids either in school Mon/Wed or Tues/Thur and the other days you didn't have face to face you streamed the class via Teams. So the HC had to build in time for kids at home to finish their online time and then get to school, so we had study hall every day for 30 minutes for the kids that were required to have SH, on the days they were in the building. This is exactly what I’ve thought about doing. Thursday practice is like a waste of time The HC in the past did the walk through before school. Just the HC and coordinators. This year is was after with just the HC and coordinators. Everyone else has the afternoon off until the sub varsity game. Also every AC has 1 Thursday off with no sub varsity responsibilities. |
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Post by chi5hi on Dec 26, 2020 8:30:23 GMT -6
Education is important.
But football is importanter.
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Post by Doo on Dec 26, 2020 8:32:41 GMT -6
Education is important. But football is importanter. I have T-shirt that says "Football is Life - The Rest is Just Details". |
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Post by Doo on Dec 26, 2020 8:39:54 GMT -6
Our state has minimal eligibility requirements from previous semester (i.e. spring for football).
Every school I coached at had additional requirements including weekly grade checks.
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Post by oldman61 on Dec 26, 2020 10:22:39 GMT -6
We as a football program implemented a grade policy with our new HC. It entails weekly grade checks, and any kid under an 85 has mandatory study hall. If your grade is below a 70, you will not be allowed to play that week. Kids have until Friday to get their poor grades right (or Thursday for sub varsity guys). Teachers CAN submit an override is they feel like the player is making every effort to improve his grade. Kids are notified on Monday if they are required to attend study hall. Our state grade scale is the basic 10 point scale, A= 90-100, B= 80-89, etc... 60 is the minimum passing grade. Our HC had implemented this at his previous stop, and at that time SC had a modified grade scale where 70 was the minimum passing grade and the 85 was the minimum B (anyone making A's and B's didn't have study hall, that's why he had picked 85 for the study hall requirement) and he never adjusted the numbers. I'm interested in how y'all go about doing such requirements. Do y'all have policies that are similar? Different? Does your program control the criteria or is it set by the school district? Do you have a set grade number or does anybody just have a 'no zeros' policy? Thanks for input. How many players are in the program? How many classes does each player have to take? How many players are usually going to study hall because they have under an 85? |
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Post by coachcb on Dec 26, 2020 11:23:31 GMT -6
School policies typically run quarterly or bi-yearly which I've never thought holds the kids accountable enough.
We do a weekly grade check and the kids with Ds or Fs get extra condo every day until the grades are up. Its not a few sprints either; its the "unpleasant" conditioning we use for all discipline.
The grades are checked every morning during the week with the discipline being enacted on Tuesday. The kids do an extra round of condo for every D or F they have. It only takes a week or so into the school year before the kids are scrambling on to get everything turned in.
They also learn to put in the work for big tests, projects and quizzes. It sure does suck for them when they bomb Mr. So N' So's Shakespeare test and don't have an opportunity to pull the grade up from a D or F for awhile.
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Post by **** on Dec 26, 2020 11:34:51 GMT -6
This is exactly what I’ve thought about doing. Thursday practice is like a waste of time Not to sidetrack but our Thursday SUCKED for years. Like sucked to the point that we would complete like 5 passes all practice and give up about 10 touchdowns on defense kind of suck. We made a change a few years back to make that a full padded practice rather than a walk through type of thing. It still isn't great by any means but we don't walk off the field thinking we are going to lose by 50 every week anymore. Basically we pulled back on the contact on Tuesday and moved it to Thursday, it's been a better model for us. We actually went the opposite way this year lol Thursday was mainly film review of the week and a 5-10 minute walk through outside. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 11:38:27 GMT -6
We as a football program implemented a grade policy with our new HC. It entails weekly grade checks, and any kid under an 85 has mandatory study hall. If your grade is below a 70, you will not be allowed to play that week. Kids have until Friday to get their poor grades right (or Thursday for sub varsity guys). Teachers CAN submit an override is they feel like the player is making every effort to improve his grade. Kids are notified on Monday if they are required to attend study hall. Our state grade scale is the basic 10 point scale, A= 90-100, B= 80-89, etc... 60 is the minimum passing grade. Our HC had implemented this at his previous stop, and at that time SC had a modified grade scale where 70 was the minimum passing grade and the 85 was the minimum B (anyone making A's and B's didn't have study hall, that's why he had picked 85 for the study hall requirement) and he never adjusted the numbers. I'm interested in how y'all go about doing such requirements. Do y'all have policies that are similar? Different? Does your program control the criteria or is it set by the school district? Do you have a set grade number or does anybody just have a 'no zeros' policy? Thanks for input. How many players are in the program? How many classes does each player have to take? How many players are usually going to study hall because they have under an 85? 31 kids, 27 needed academic support. |
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Post by oldman61 on Dec 26, 2020 11:55:56 GMT -6
How many players are in the program? How many classes does each player have to take? How many players are usually going to study hall because they have under an 85? 31 kids, 27 needed academic support. Was asking the OP |
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Post by Doo on Dec 26, 2020 14:13:15 GMT -6
I once worked at a school where the Lead in spring play would've been ineligible (and thus performance wouldn't have taken place) if administration didn't make exception for him if they applied athletic eligibility standards.
The point is - if eligibility standards exist to motivate kids to do their best academically - shouldn't they apply to ALL extra-curricular activities?
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 26, 2020 16:22:10 GMT -6
We as a football program implemented a grade policy with our new HC. It entails weekly grade checks, and any kid under an 85 has mandatory study hall. If your grade is below a 70, you will not be allowed to play that week. Kids have until Friday to get their poor grades right (or Thursday for sub varsity guys). Teachers CAN submit an override is they feel like the player is making every effort to improve his grade. Kids are notified on Monday if they are required to attend study hall. Our state grade scale is the basic 10 point scale, A= 90-100, B= 80-89, etc... 60 is the minimum passing grade. Our HC had implemented this at his previous stop, and at that time SC had a modified grade scale where 70 was the minimum passing grade and the 85 was the minimum B (anyone making A's and B's didn't have study hall, that's why he had picked 85 for the study hall requirement) and he never adjusted the numbers. I'm interested in how y'all go about doing such requirements. Do y'all have policies that are similar? Different? Does your program control the criteria or is it set by the school district? Do you have a set grade number or does anybody just have a 'no zeros' policy? Thanks for input. How many players are in the program? How many classes does each player have to take? How many players are usually going to study hall because they have under an 85? Our school is right around 1914 students at the last reclassification student count which ranks us 23rd in the state and right in the middle of the biggest classification/division (5A 41 members). HC's previous school was listed at 857 and ranked 105th and at the middle of 3A classification (40 schools) We have 3 levels of teams: Fresh - started with 44, finished with 38 JV - varied from week to week as they could play up or down but usually 30-35ish Varsity - again varied as to who was playin up or down but usually 60-65ish I looked at random midseason SH roster and there were 80 kids in required study hall that week. All in all we started with about 130+ 9-12 graders and finished with around 115. We did have about half a dozen or so players opt not to play this season. There also were some 'gimmes' built by the HC, grades weren't check the 1st 2 weeks of school b/c there wasn't much usually put in by teachers/start of the year/etc..... Then at the second 9 weeks start (right about the end of the season/start of the playoffs in a normal year) everybody got 'reset' for the new grading period for the 1st 2 weeks. So in a normal year, everyone was good for the scrimmages, and the 1st 2 games, then got a bit of grace at the end of the season. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 26, 2020 16:25:03 GMT -6
We had starters at every level not get to play a game b/c of an academic suspension. Again for me and the coaches that were held over this was a new requirement. The guy that coached DBs with me was one that came in with the new HC and told me that there were 'no if, ands, or buts' with the HC over a kid being kept out of a game.
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Post by oldman61 on Dec 27, 2020 10:27:09 GMT -6
How many players are in the program? How many classes does each player have to take? How many players are usually going to study hall because they have under an 85? Our school is right around 1914 students at the last reclassification student count which ranks us 23rd in the state and right in the middle of the biggest classification/division (5A 41 members). HC's previous school was listed at 857 and ranked 105th and at the middle of 3A classification (40 schools) We have 3 levels of teams: Fresh - started with 44, finished with 38 JV - varied from week to week as they could play up or down but usually 30-35ish Varsity - again varied as to who was playin up or down but usually 60-65ish I looked at random midseason SH roster and there were 80 kids in required study hall that week. All in all we started with about 130+ 9-12 graders and finished with around 115. We did have about half a dozen or so players opt not to play this season. There also were some 'gimmes' built by the HC, grades weren't check the 1st 2 weeks of school b/c there wasn't much usually put in by teachers/start of the year/etc..... Then at the second 9 weeks start (right about the end of the season/start of the playoffs in a normal year) everybody got 'reset' for the new grading period for the 1st 2 weeks. So in a normal year, everyone was good for the scrimmages, and the 1st 2 games, then got a bit of grace at the end of the season. I am a data driven thinker, 70% of your roster in study hall doesn’t seem practical, furthermore, with 80 players there I would question if it is working. I know many schools have gone the correction as someone earlier posted about and being in D or Fs for study hall, never an 84% B. Shoot if a student had all 84% they would end up with a 3.0 GAP but wouldn’t be eligible to play football if I read your post correctly. If you’re wanting to talk to your head coach make sure you bring data and solutions otherwise you end up being another coach telling him what’s broken and wrong with his program. There are enough people paying $6 every Friday night doing that already. |
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 27, 2020 11:19:27 GMT -6
I don't really get this.
If a C is passing and on track for graduation, why is that unacceptable? What about kids with learning disabilities? What if a kid is doing the best he can but he's also working to support his family? What about the kid who just doesn't have the parent support or home situation to be a high achiever? I can think of kids within the last two years that fit each situation and were C students due to no fault of their own.
I hate the trope of the meathead football player and I'd love to have more Stanford bound kids in our program, but what's wrong with the kid who's doing what it takes to play and isn't an academic all-star?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 12:34:59 GMT -6
I don't really get this. If a C is passing and on track for graduation, why is that unacceptable? What about kids with learning disabilities? What if a kid is doing the best he can but he's also working to support his family? What about the kid who just doesn't have the parent support or home situation to be a high achiever? I can think of kids within the last two years that fit each situation and were C students due to no fault of their own. I hate the trope of the meathead football player and I'd love to have more Stanford bound kids in our program, but what's wrong with the kid who's doing what it takes to play and isn't an academic all-star? Maybe it’s not about academics. Or football. |
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 27, 2020 13:06:00 GMT -6
I don't really get this. If a C is passing and on track for graduation, why is that unacceptable? What about kids with learning disabilities? What if a kid is doing the best he can but he's also working to support his family? What about the kid who just doesn't have the parent support or home situation to be a high achiever? I can think of kids within the last two years that fit each situation and were C students due to no fault of their own. I hate the trope of the meathead football player and I'd love to have more Stanford bound kids in our program, but what's wrong with the kid who's doing what it takes to play and isn't an academic all-star? Maybe it’s not about academics. Or football. Then what is it about? 'Building better men'? 'How you do something is how you do everything'? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 16:20:29 GMT -6
Maybe it’s not about academics. Or football. Then what is it about? 'Building better men'? 'How you do something is how you do everything'? You have been here long enough to know that people doing this have all sorts of weird thinking, ideas on why they do this. |
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Post by someguy on Dec 30, 2020 6:11:05 GMT -6
Under a 2.0 or flunking= no play.
Player who didn’t hit those standards the term before are on academic probation and need to fill out sheets with their grades by their teachers weekly. Same thing when quarter grades come out (we got by semesters.)
This is done down to the middle school level.
At a new school now and the have youth ball through 8th grade and it’s interesting to see kids piece together no grades no ball at 14 instead of 11.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 9:07:20 GMT -6
Progress reports and end of quarter. But we constant run grade checks and attendance. It is what makes the job hard. Most of the kids are 2.0 or just above or below.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 30, 2020 11:41:57 GMT -6
I don't really get this. If a C is passing and on track for graduation, why is that unacceptable? What about kids with learning disabilities? What if a kid is doing the best he can but he's also working to support his family? What about the kid who just doesn't have the parent support or home situation to be a high achiever? I can think of kids within the last two years that fit each situation and were C students due to no fault of their own. I hate the trope of the meathead football player and I'd love to have more Stanford bound kids in our program, but what's wrong with the kid who's doing what it takes to play and isn't an academic all-star? Agreed. Im honestly ecstatic with a few of my students with Cs right now. They've worked their tails off to get out of the D and F range. These aren't kids with IEPs and a mountain of support and accommodations. They're kids with chit home lives, working jobs and/or playing sports and just trying to survive school. |
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Post by wingtol on Dec 30, 2020 13:02:50 GMT -6
Weekly grade check. Get the list Sat morning for that week.
1 F - Tutoring after school one day. Can play
2 Fs- Tutoring after school one day each subj. Can't play but can practice.
3+ Fs- Tutoring after school one day each subj. No play no practice (but can watch)
Miss tutoring automatically ineligible.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 30, 2020 13:35:28 GMT -6
We put in our rule about needing a 2.5 to be a starter because the school had a policy that if kids had under a 2.0 in the previous semester they weren't just ineligible (state rule) but they weren't even allowed to be on the team (school rule). You could use summer school to improve your previous semester GPA.
So every year we would have a few kids who were hovering around that 1.9 range from the previous semester who needed summer school to get eligible, and inevitably they would take until the last possible day to get the summer work done, and something would happen that "wasn't their fault" but the work wouldn't be done on time and we would lose a kid for the season.
When we put in the 2.5 rule those same types of kids typically hover around 2.3-2.4 now and if the same thing happens with their summer school class we tell them they have to sit out 2 series but at least we get to keep them on the team. And after a 3 week grade check if they have over a 2.5 we make them eligible to start.
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