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Post by s73 on Jan 26, 2021 10:17:39 GMT -6
I know other people do it as well but we have been a two platoon football team for 4 years now and i think it has played a big part in our success. Coach, I am curious what size school you are. I would LOVE to do this, but we generally have only about 30 kids on the team so not sure how I can make it happen but would love to problem solve some ways to work towards it. Any ideas, suggestions? Thanks!
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Post by fadepattern on Jan 26, 2021 20:04:31 GMT -6
I know other people do it as well but we have been a two platoon football team for 4 years now and i think it has played a big part in our success. Coach, I am curious what size school you are. I would LOVE to do this, but we generally have only about 30 kids on the team so not sure how I can make it happen but would love to problem solve some ways to work towards it. Any ideas, suggestions? Thanks! We are a large school. 50 Freshmen and 90 varsity. I am sure it would a challenge with low numbers but I would be more than happy to tell you some of the things we have learned while doing it.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Jan 26, 2021 20:20:16 GMT -6
Not sure if this is what you are looking for but... We "walk the field" silently before every game, home and away. Kids wear their game jerseys and we all hold hands and walk from endzone to endzone. We form a circle in the endzone and our 2-3 captains speak in front of the team. Then each coach speaks (we have 3 coaches in total). In all my years around my area, we are the only team that does this to my knowledge. *We also arrive to away games early enough so we don't interfere with teams on the field already going through specials before the game* Does it help us win games, no, but it is something these kids and alumni never forget! Our alumni is also invited to walk the field for senior night/home coming game as well with our team and the kids love seeing the older players and listening to them share a story or two... I am not a hand holder either... but I love the idea of having something oganized while walking the field... I also love the idea of letting alumni walk with you on SR night. Had a coach tell me once you dont wanna invite people onto field with ya bc if things arent going good they may be mad ... I told him that we should make all our plans for success and not failure.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2021 8:01:54 GMT -6
I told him that we should make all our plans for success and not failure. Mega eye roll. I assume you don't practice onside kick recovery, two minute drills, stripping the ball, trick plays, etc then?
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Post by cwaltsmith on Jan 27, 2021 8:34:17 GMT -6
I told him that we should make all our plans for success and not failure. Mega eye roll. I assume you don't practice onside kick recovery, two minute drills, stripping the ball, trick plays, etc then? LMBO... Yep I wanna practice being successful at all of those but I am not gonna not do something bc I am afraid if I lose it will go bad ... Heck if I lose Its all gonna go bad lol Im gonna get fired... You seem to have a lot of negative to say about a ton of posts lol ... Has someone made you mad lol
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2021 8:43:47 GMT -6
Mega eye roll. I assume you don't practice onside kick recovery, two minute drills, stripping the ball, trick plays, etc then? LMBO... Yep I wanna practice being successful at all of those but I am not gonna not do something bc I am afraid if I lose it will go bad ... Heck if I lose Its all gonna go bad lol Im gonna get fired... You seem to have a lot of negative to say about a ton of posts lol ... Has someone made you mad lol Nope. I'm good. I'm going to take it you're not an English teacher?
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Post by s73 on Jan 27, 2021 8:53:11 GMT -6
Coach, I am curious what size school you are. I would LOVE to do this, but we generally have only about 30 kids on the team so not sure how I can make it happen but would love to problem solve some ways to work towards it. Any ideas, suggestions? Thanks! We are a large school. 50 Freshmen and 90 varsity. I am sure it would a challenge with low numbers but I would be more than happy to tell you some of the things we have learned while doing it. Would love to hear it coach. Can always learn something.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Jan 27, 2021 8:57:06 GMT -6
LMBO... Yep I wanna practice being successful at all of those but I am not gonna not do something bc I am afraid if I lose it will go bad ... Heck if I lose Its all gonna go bad lol Im gonna get fired... You seem to have a lot of negative to say about a ton of posts lol ... Has someone made you mad lol Nope. I'm good. I'm going to take it you're not an English teacher? Nope... didn't know we got a grammatical grade on our posts & not sure how what I teach contributes to the topic or board in general
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2021 9:05:03 GMT -6
I don't know how to put this... but it's kind of hard... to take someone...
Seriously... when their punctuation is that of a 3rd grader's... and they're acting like an arrogant ass... to someone that was trying to help you... probably from some personal experience...
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Post by cwaltsmith on Jan 27, 2021 9:09:48 GMT -6
I told him that we should make all our plans for success and not failure. Mega eye roll. I assume you don't practice onside kick recovery, two minute drills, stripping the ball, trick plays, etc then? I apologize for this back and forth and hijacking the thread and it will be my last response... but if that post and calling someone a 3rd grader is how you help ... I would rather not have it lol... I come here to discuss football not roll my eyes at other peoples posts or stoop to name calling when they disagree with me. Hope you have a great day and good luck.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2021 9:11:12 GMT -6
Mega eye roll. I assume you don't practice onside kick recovery, two minute drills, stripping the ball, trick plays, etc then? I apologize for this back and forth and hijacking the thread and it will be my last response... but if that post and calling someone a 3rd grader is how you help ... I would rather not have it lol... I come here to discuss football not roll my eyes at other peoples posts or stoop to name calling when they disagree with me. Hope you have a great day and good luck. 10-4. You do you bro.
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Post by Victor on Jan 27, 2021 10:12:02 GMT -6
Mega eye roll. I assume you don't practice onside kick recovery, two minute drills, stripping the ball, trick plays, etc then? I apologize for this back and forth and hijacking the thread and it will be my last response... but if that post and calling someone a 3rd grader is how you help ... I would rather not have it lol... I come here to discuss football not roll my eyes at other peoples posts or stoop to name calling when they disagree with me. Hope you have a great day and good luck. Is he talking about grammar again? Lol
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2021 11:36:16 GMT -6
I apologize for this back and forth and hijacking the thread and it will be my last response... but if that post and calling someone a 3rd grader is how you help ... I would rather not have it lol... I come here to discuss football not roll my eyes at other peoples posts or stoop to name calling when they disagree with me. Hope you have a great day and good luck. Is he talking about grammar again? Lol I don't believe I've ever talked about grammar, but most of us graduated from college. It helps your point if you at least attempt to present yourself like it.
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Post by veerman on Jan 27, 2021 21:58:58 GMT -6
I think like most things with our sport, all situations are different. Some places take pride in the "program" aspect and the culture of school, where some places kids just want to play the game and don't care for the community or school cause there is no bond there. I have been a part of both situations. My current school is a small rural area that has LOTS of community pride. Was at a similar situation early in my coaching career and our kids bagged groceries at the local grocery store. They wore their jerseys as they carried the bags out to cars and help the elderly get in their vehicles. We talked about how one day they may be the person on the other side, and that a some of the things that we do right now they may not understand until the get older. This was well before social media was a thing, but think its good to give back to communities like this that support you so much.
I like the idea of recognizing past classes/or veterans at the games when you can, think this also gives players a sense of program pride, maybe not at the moment but they will when its all over for them.
I'm don't really care on the hand holding (although been on plenty that chose to come out holding hands), but I Love the idea of our kids doing a pre game field walk and having their own tradition they like to do. We did this in high school and I still remember those moments. Another idea we did at a past school was have a mother's luncheon where the kids served their mothers and then we all shared a meal together. Afterwards the HC and coordinators would get up and explain what we did on both sides of the ball. I really enjoyed it cause I could explain to the parents what it should look like and their child should be doing, and how he should be doing it. We just gave a brief description, but the moms loved it, and actually asked great questions.
For the Dads we chose one ball game they got to come into the locker room and go thru the pregame pep talk, and then walk to the field with their player. Great topic option1, enjoy reading about what others like to do.
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Post by option1 on Jan 28, 2021 8:45:56 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 28, 2021 9:16:12 GMT -6
How so? He is not quoting dialogue and omitting non necessary information, or pausing for effect.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 28, 2021 9:26:20 GMT -6
I am glad that I will not only be a better coach from visiting this site but also know how to properly use ellipses.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 28, 2021 9:47:07 GMT -6
Practice and play football. The more I've been exposed to "traditions" the more I've viewed them as a bit hollow. The majority of the kids don't take pride in them; they just view it as another thing they're required to do.
And, it can backfire on you.
We tried to establish a Monday night football tradition; we fed the kids in the cafeteria and watched an NFL game every other Monday night. We made it a voluntary activity and had solid participation early on. But, many of the kids viewed it simply a chore and stopped coming. It created a rift between the kids that showed up and those that didn't.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 28, 2021 11:53:54 GMT -6
Practice and play football. The more I've been exposed to "traditions" the more I've viewed them as a bit hollow. The majority of the kids don't take pride in them; they just view it as another thing they're required to do. And, it can backfire on you. We tried to establish a Monday night football tradition; we fed the kids in the cafeteria and watched an NFL game every other Monday night. We made it a voluntary activity and had solid participation early on. But, many of the kids viewed it simply a chore and stopped coming. It created a rift between the kids that showed up and those that didn't.THIS. Traditions need to be more genuine than about compliance. It has to be special to the kids. I lived through (as a coach) a program that tried to create traditions that were more of a chore, too cliche, or just not cool to the kids. It failed miserably and only created frustration for the HC. The real "traditions" (I am using that term loosely) in our program are: -A pre-game prayer/chant, created and implemented by a player several years ago, that gets passed down through the program -Donuts and gatorade for shutouts -Pre-game entrance Flag-Bearer...it is a cherished high-demand job saved only for your toughest kid(s) -Alumni get-together at a local restaurant around Christmas break (when our college kids are home) All but the donuts are kid-driven. If my senior doesn't pass down that prayer to a young kid before he graduates then the tradition dies. It's on them to maintain it. If it's important enough it lives on. The alumni get-together is really me and my coaches, our families, and any alumni that want to stop in and reunite getting together for the evening. We've done it at a italian/pizza joint and a pub (no drinking allowed until kids are gone of course). We emphasize keeping in contact with our alumni...kind of a "once you're our kid you will ALWAYS be our kid" thing. I have just started using Hootsuite to tweet at kids for their birthdays yearly (hootsuite allows you to make automatic posts on social media on a set day/time, reoccuring monthly/yearly etc).
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Post by s73 on Jan 28, 2021 14:33:24 GMT -6
Practice and play football. The more I've been exposed to "traditions" the more I've viewed them as a bit hollow. The majority of the kids don't take pride in them; they just view it as another thing they're required to do. And, it can backfire on you. We tried to establish a Monday night football tradition; we fed the kids in the cafeteria and watched an NFL game every other Monday night. We made it a voluntary activity and had solid participation early on. But, many of the kids viewed it simply a chore and stopped coming. It created a rift between the kids that showed up and those that didn't.THIS. Traditions need to be more genuine than about compliance. It has to be special to the kids. I lived through (as a coach) a program that tried to create traditions that were more of a chore, too cliche, or just not cool to the kids. It failed miserably and only created frustration for the HC. The real "traditions" (I am using that term loosely) in our program are: -A pre-game prayer/chant, created and implemented by a player several years ago, that gets passed down through the program -Donuts and gatorade for shutouts -Pre-game entrance Flag-Bearer...it is a cherished high-demand job saved only for your toughest kid(s) -Alumni get-together at a local restaurant around Christmas break (when our college kids are home) All but the donuts are kid-driven. If my senior doesn't pass down that prayer to a young kid before he graduates then the tradition dies. It's on them to maintain it. If it's important enough it lives on. The alumni get-together is really me and my coaches, our families, and any alumni that want to stop in and reunite getting together for the evening. We've done it at a italian/pizza joint and a pub (no drinking allowed until kids are gone of course). We emphasize keeping in contact with our alumni...kind of a "once you're our kid you will ALWAYS be our kid" thing. I have just started using Hootsuite to tweet at kids for their birthdays yearly (hootsuite allows you to make automatic posts on social media on a set day/time, reoccuring monthly/yearly etc). Big fan of traditions that run themselves!
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Post by crashonbuck on Jan 28, 2021 15:47:30 GMT -6
Can someone please help me understand the difference in culture and tradition? As it pertains to high school football?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 16:00:06 GMT -6
Practice and play football. The more I've been exposed to "traditions" the more I've viewed them as a bit hollow. The majority of the kids don't take pride in them; they just view it as another thing they're required to do. And, it can backfire on you. We tried to establish a Monday night football tradition; we fed the kids in the cafeteria and watched an NFL game every other Monday night. We made it a voluntary activity and had solid participation early on. But, many of the kids viewed it simply a chore and stopped coming. It created a rift between the kids that showed up and those that didn't. THAT IS SPOT ON! It is my limited experience that the extra, regardless of what it is, creates problem. Kids dont play football to go to church on Sunday(US) or to listen to pre and post practice and game sermons(us again). They do not play football to watch MNF. I dont understand the obsession HS football, and its not Hs by any means, needing to be about more than what it is.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Jan 29, 2021 7:53:37 GMT -6
Can someone please help me understand the difference in culture and tradition? As it pertains to high school football? To me, and I am no academic giant, CULTURE is the day to day attitude and how you and players conduct themselves. TRADITION is something that ties you to the past and helps build on "culture" of the past.
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Post by CoachSP on Jan 29, 2021 9:34:26 GMT -6
In most situations, traditions aren't tying people too far back.
We used to do a "Tarpon Walk" before every home game at my last job. I used to think that was an age old tradition. Turns out, it was started by a guy in 2009 who everyone hated and eventually got fired.
The tradition was cool but was hardly rooted deep.
I guess my point is: Traditions are great but sometimes are the product of a cool idea and have no real connection to anything. Nothing wrong with it, but traditions are hard to keep without continuity of leadership.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 29, 2021 9:48:12 GMT -6
Can someone please help me understand the difference in culture and tradition? As it pertains to high school football? To me, and I am no academic giant, CULTURE is the day to day attitude and how you and players conduct themselves. TRADITION is something that ties you to the past and helps build on "culture" of the past.
Exactly.
Having a hard-working kid carrying a flag out to on the field is certainly a great tradition but it doesn't necessarily reflect the attitudes within the program. IME, the longest-standing "traditions" were started by successful teams and they've carried on through the years.
This is a great thing if the program is still winning. Not so much if you're in a slump. When you're in that slump, the kids tend to view that tradition as a reminder of the success they're not having.
"The championship team of '99 did ____, ____, and _____. We're 2-8..."
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Post by veerman on Jan 29, 2021 10:22:28 GMT -6
I think culture is more, IMO it goes beyond everyday mindset while your playing. Traditions is something you do within your program every year that is special(Carry something, chant, pre-game ect). Herd a guy say culture was like being a Marine. Doesn't matter where you served, how old you are, or your rank. When a Marine meets another Marine there is instant respect and a automatic brotherhood attachment as they say "Semper Fi". To me this is culture: something that is similar to that, the respect that comes from being an Eagle, Tiger, Raider, or whatever your school may be for everyone who has ever put on that uniform. That brotherhood that comes from that no matter what year you graduated, BUT there has to be something that does set them apart from everyone else to get to where you have a culture. I was an assistant coach for a baseball team for 5 years. We did things that set us apart from everyone. From the way our kids were to act in school, the way we dressed for practice, clean shaven/hair off eyebrows and neck groomed were just a few. We would train harder than most programs (football as well) that I been apart of. Our kids had a sense of pride in themselves, and the student body had a respect for them for they knew it was something special to be a part of, cause of how hard it was to be a member. Past players would come back to see us and there's instant respect for everyone involved for past players and current.
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Post by somecoach on Jan 29, 2021 17:02:46 GMT -6
An old tradition we brought back: "the Wood"
get an old 2x4 and a sharpie.
each part of the wood was sectioned off for each game.
at the end of film who ever made a big hit/play got to sign their name on "the wood"
its also a great prop for the team captain of the week to run out with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 22:14:29 GMT -6
Culture is the light that shines before men, and in this case, in that building. When the team is together, players, coaches, support, what does it look like? Is the star athlete exempt from the rules? Is there cliques? What are coaches saying behind closed doors? Are all the pieces doing their part? I dont believe in the community bull crap, i dont believe the chants, rah rah, any of the other, imo, ime, of course, non-sense. All that matters is what this team right now is doing. Nobody cares about 5 yrs ago. Nobody wants to hear a 5 yr plan.
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Post by crashonbuck on Jan 30, 2021 14:22:12 GMT -6
So is it safe to say culture changes yearly? I would think small school culture is better then large school.
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Post by Coach.A on Jan 30, 2021 17:45:21 GMT -6
So is it safe to say culture changes yearly? I would think small school culture is better then large school. I think that's fair to say, but you would hope that there is significant 'culture carryover' from year to year, especially if your program is trending upward.
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