Blocking rules/styles in run game

The game has certainly changed some but still remains the same. I wish I could have been able to block like the guys nowdays. I'd have been a better puny 175lb OG than I was!

Right kw, flipper or wings as we use to call it. You can cradle/hem up a guy somewhat if you get a wide flipper out there! We used the 2 flipper and facemask in the gut and drive the sled(keep balance and short choppy steps) technique mostly and the defensive escape move was usually a hook from hell,bell ringing head slap with their arm or a prepared linebacker was a forearm under your chin! DBL. OUCH!!!!!!

Dang, another double post, had an error on page and messed up. Sorry!

I've never experienced the NCAA and school part of it and really don't want to. I'll leave that hassle to the professionals and be satisfied to work for gas money!

this is a good question

start a new thread on it will you?
so it wont get lost in this giant thread

i have some thoughts on this, would like to see others as well

tog-

if i may answer, we do not have a huge problem with people sheding blocks, we talk about staying welded to our man, and running our fee on him for "12 Steps" we refer to it as Hugh Wyatt does as teh "12 Steps to Success". Also with Steve's double teaming it is tough for the defender to shed the block on the playside as he is being hit head up and by a down block from his outside, th shed the block he HAS to go inside which takes him out of the play, i am also curious as to where KW coaches college ball, am always interested in learning and would like to know how you can run a zone scheme w/out holding or coming close to holding, again KW not trying to offend you, and I plan to read your article....I enjoy reading things from guys that I know from on-line discussions (add a little credibility in my opinion). tog- hope your XMAS was a good one. the Todd's said hello!

we do not teach open hand -lock out technique because we do not want to create separation from the defender, as we feel that is what he wants. we teach our guys to get breast on breast basically. in pass pro we use cup protection, aggressive to playside (so it is always a low hat look) and passive on playside where we are setting a gate with 3 backside blockers....now we will block with hands there i man tries to go around the gate to outside (we teach to punch the shoulder-inside tit to redirect him wide)

I went up to school this morning to get my federation rules book to clarify what we have been discussing.

Lets start with the "Butt block" Butt blocking is a technique involving a blow driven directly into an opponent with the face mask, frontal area of the helmet as the primary point of contact either in close line play or in the open field.

I think the key word here is PRIMARY point of contact. The face mask in a base drive block is not the primary point of contact. The hands punch into the chest and the face mask follows into the defender forming the triangle that we all have been discussing. I think the term facemask needs to be used, because so many kids think they can use the top of their helmets as a weapon and lead with the top of the head. By telling the kids to keep their eyes to the sky and follow through with the face mask, we would be ok.

Holding: Use of hands, arms, legs, to hook, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold in an effort to restrain an opponent.

Use of the open hand technique: Hands must be inside the framework of the defenders body except when the opponent turns his back to the blocker during the block or after the blocker is committed to the charge. The frame of the opponents body is at the shoulders or below other than the back. Hands must be opened when the palms are facing the frame of the opponent or when the forearms are extended beyond the 45degree angle from the body.

From this I gather that in the federation you cannot grasp the jersey or breast plates of the shoulder pads at any time. I would of bet some serious cash that we could grasp, but that must be the NCAA rule from when I was playing and coaching at the college level.

coachjd- thanks for taking the time to look that up...happy holidays.

thouught it was the crowther method, just was not sure, seen so many films and such. didn't want to sound too stupid kw

think it was the sled company had video drills showing how to use their sleds like that, and it stuck in some parts of the country

i've stayed on the side throughout this whole post, but....comments like this really get me interested.

as most of you are aware....i am not one of those guys that believes in cliches' or blanket statements and would rather back things up with at least an effort at supporting data.

the statement above does not meet that criteria....

what is most? what percentage is that? where did you come across this data? what survey did you take?

guys.......why throw out statements like this when THERE IS NO WAY you can support it with evidence??? all it will do is bring out the very worst in people. heck, i'm not an ol coach but if someone said i was a cheater then i would be upset as well. quit whining about holding/not holding and stick to the topic at hand.

sorry....had to get that off my chest.

we can argue until we are blue in the face, but in my book, grab a jersey of a guy you are blocking, and that is a hold, that is my opinion (did not say it had to be yours or anyone else's) i go to listen to the college level guys looking for a way to teach a zone block w/out holding, and I always walk away disappointed, which is why kw and i have been discussing it

I teach to grab onto the breastplate when shooting hands. Proud of it.