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Post by coachcb on Nov 6, 2020 13:49:46 GMT -6
Defense... I'd rather stop people, struggle on offense and win than light up the scoreboard and lose. If you only give up a score or two & hang around you always have a chance to pull off the win with just a big play or two!
Yes indeed. And, we can always score points on defense and STs as well.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 6, 2020 15:34:57 GMT -6
Honestly, there's going to be a lot of issues on both sides of the ball if you walk into a struggling program. IME, the worst issues are on the defensive side of the ball and not just from a schematic stand point. The defensive philosophy, fundamentals, practice structure (etc) are a dumpster fire. And, this is typically because they've spent season after season repping their offense while not practicing chit for defense (i.e. "WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ATHLETES TO PLAY GOOD DEFENSE!!". It’s probably going to get worse too since Saban said offense now wins championships. |
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Post by coachcb on Nov 6, 2020 15:44:00 GMT -6
Honestly, there's going to be a lot of issues on both sides of the ball if you walk into a struggling program. IME, the worst issues are on the defensive side of the ball and not just from a schematic stand point. The defensive philosophy, fundamentals, practice structure (etc) are a dumpster fire. And, this is typically because they've spent season after season repping their offense while not practicing chit for defense (i.e. "WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ATHLETES TO PLAY GOOD DEFENSE!!". It’s probably going to get worse too since Saban said offense now wins championships.
Yeah... He has to save some face at this point... 'Bama's defense has struggled to stop a lot of SEC opponents.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 6, 2020 23:00:11 GMT -6
It’s probably going to get worse too since Saban said offense now wins championships.
Yeah... He has to save some face at this point... 'Bama's defense has struggled to stop a lot of SEC opponents.
Yeah. But you know all the OCs are going to be quoting that when there is a dispute over who gets a kid. Makes me hurt inside a little |
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Post by coachklee on Nov 15, 2020 10:57:56 GMT -6
Yeah... He has to save some face at this point... 'Bama's defense has struggled to stop a lot of SEC opponents.
Yeah. But you know all the OCs are going to be quoting that when there is a dispute over who gets a kid. Makes me hurt inside a little There are two ways to win games & always stay in a game. Be nearly perfect on D and be down no more than a score so you are always one play away. Always be able to extend drives and end them with scores. IMO, the defensive approach is becoming increasingly hard assuming any level of competence by the opposing OC & parity of athletes. The offensive approach is a bit of easier especially if the offense can make just a few timely explosive plays. I guess I wholly believe the classic thinking of a successful offense can win by making 4-5 plays while a defense can play really well for 50-70 or more plays and lose by giving up scores to on the 4-5 plays. |
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Post by Defcord on Nov 15, 2020 15:36:46 GMT -6
Yeah. But you know all the OCs are going to be quoting that when there is a dispute over who gets a kid. Makes me hurt inside a little There are two ways to win games & always stay in a game. Be nearly perfect on D and be down no more than a score so you are always one play away. Always be able to extend drives and end them with scores. IMO, the defensive approach is becoming increasingly hard assuming any level of competence by the opposing OC & parity of athletes. The offensive approach is a bit of easier especially if the offense can make just a few timely explosive plays. I guess I wholly believe the classic thinking of a successful offense can win by making 4-5 plays while a defense can play really well for 50-70 or more plays and lose by giving up scores to on the 4-5 plays. Savants point was also that all the best athletes want to and are playing offense now days so you have to maximize their talents. I understand and agree with his points. I |
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Post by nicku on Nov 15, 2020 20:53:12 GMT -6
a successful offense can win by making 4-5 plays while a defense can play really well for 50-70 or more plays and lose by giving up scores to on the 4-5 plays. This is why I have a hard time believing DCs get any sleep at all during the season. Even the good ones. I'm mainly an offensive guy. While it can certainly be frustrating, I can live with going 3 and out and punting. It sucks, but I can live with it. What I wouldn't be able to handle is the chains moving because we had the right call but missed the tackle. Or dropping a pick on 2nd down then giving up a TD on 3rd. I would be beside myself. lol |
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Post by coachklee on Nov 16, 2020 5:37:04 GMT -6
a successful offense can win by making 4-5 plays while a defense can play really well for 50-70 or more plays and lose by giving up scores to on the 4-5 plays. This is why I have a hard time believing DCs get any sleep at all during the season. Even the good ones. I'm mainly an offensive guy. While it can certainly be frustrating, I can live with going 3 and out and punting. It sucks, but I can live with it. What I wouldn't be able to handle is the chains moving because we had the right call but missed the tackle. Or dropping a pick on 2nd down then giving up a TD on 3rd. I would be beside myself. lol And on top of that, our real job as a DC, drawing cards for the scout team to mess up...all while we are on edge all week about how every last detail will hopefully help our 15, 16 & 17 year olds see the game as we would! |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Nov 16, 2020 8:00:55 GMT -6
Defense. There are a number of gap sound defenses you can run. Offense, if sound in its principles, can take more time to come together.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 16, 2020 8:20:02 GMT -6
Defense. There are a number of gap sound defenses you can run. Offense, if sound in its principles, can take more time to come together. The problem is when the offense leverages the defense in a way that the player in charge of the one gap has to get off of a block and cover a gap that is 5 yards wide. I do not believe defense is as simple as putting a man in every gap and calling it a day. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Nov 16, 2020 8:26:18 GMT -6
Defense. There are a number of gap sound defenses you can run. Offense, if sound in its principles, can take more time to come together. The problem is when the offense leverages the defense in a way that the player in charge of the one gap has to get off of a block and cover a gap that is 5 yards wide. I do not believe defense is as simple as putting a man in every gap and calling it a day. Obviously. What is your answer to the OP question? |
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Post by planck on Nov 16, 2020 8:27:49 GMT -6
This is why I have a hard time believing DCs get any sleep at all during the season. Even the good ones. I'm mainly an offensive guy. While it can certainly be frustrating, I can live with going 3 and out and punting. It sucks, but I can live with it. What I wouldn't be able to handle is the chains moving because we had the right call but missed the tackle. Or dropping a pick on 2nd down then giving up a TD on 3rd. I would be beside myself. lol And on top of that, our real job as a DC, drawing cards for the scout team to mess up when we are on edge all week about how every last detail will hopefully help our 15, 16 & 17 year olds see the game as we would! Don't forget spending 10-12 hours each week analyzing film, creating a gameplan, and investing further hours simplifying that gameplan as much as possible so you get a pure, distilled install that is concise and clear. And 3 of your players bother to review it each week. |
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Post by Defcord on Nov 16, 2020 8:53:59 GMT -6
The problem is when the offense leverages the defense in a way that the player in charge of the one gap has to get off of a block and cover a gap that is 5 yards wide. I do not believe defense is as simple as putting a man in every gap and calling it a day. Obviously. What is your answer to the OP question? I never answered the question presented by the OP because it was too broad. The question included the add-on of no "it depends." But in such a hypothetical there simply isn't enough information to answer it properly. If I was a new head coach, I would change both. If I was already the coach, I wouldn't change either unless a situation presented that warranted an adjustment and then I would change that side of the ball that needed it. I guess if I had to choose one, I would choose the offense. Since the offense dictates what the defense does more than the other way around, I feel like that would be the most bang for my buck. A simple formation change on offense can pull the whole defense out of their base at times. I am not sure the opposite is true. But there are ways to drive offensive decision making with defensive calls, just not as strongly. |
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