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Post by Coach Bennett on Sept 2, 2020 13:06:25 GMT -6
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Coaches,
We are starting a new league this fall based on USA Football's Development Model.
There are a lot of great pieces to the overall concept but I really like developing the total athlete, meeting the athlete where they by delivering appropriate skill work, and, most importantly having the athlete and parent WANT to come back.
Along those lines, what are some goofy/fun/positive culture stuff you've infused into your youth football practices?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by huddlehut on Sept 2, 2020 13:30:01 GMT -6
Ban parents.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 13:48:17 GMT -6
Everybody gets a trophy. No scoreboard. Everybody wins.
( could resist)
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Post by somecoach on Sept 3, 2020 10:32:43 GMT -6
That's exciting to hear coach!
not a youth coach but we ran an annual youth football clinic
All of Gen Z/Gen Alpha LIVE off of Fortnite and TIKTOK
Some ideas:
- LIVE DJ, music between plays... have someone actively playing music between plays and if you can afford a microphone have an anouncer...
-Custom entrance and TD songs, free and easy to do.. I use one through google chrome. (or just use NHL goal horns... i made a custom one for my last team)
- film every game, get an ipad and pay someone $20, and get it up on hudl or something
- each team gets a social media account and puts up highlights and stats... make it a TRUE social media presence not just BS post once and forget it
- a "main account" with player interviews and game recap which is linked to a youtube account where you post it all.
- if I was running it I would shoot a weekly ESPN style show on YOUTUBE... doesn't have to be high budget all can be done very cheap... key is to cover every game and get parents and kids excited that their team and kid is getting recognition
- finally this is VERY RADICAL but ALLOW/ENCOURAGE for TD celebrations, full on fortnite dances, leap frog, Ocho Cinco Signing the ball... I think its an archaic rule to prevent field fights when in reality field fights only really occur from cheap shots and never after a TD.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 3, 2020 10:42:26 GMT -6
I'm glad I quit coaching.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Sept 3, 2020 11:58:18 GMT -6
I'm glad I quit coaching. I'm glad I'm still coaching.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Sept 3, 2020 11:58:57 GMT -6
That's exciting to hear coach! not a youth coach but we ran an annual youth football clinic All of Gen Z/Gen Alpha LIVE off of Fortnite and TIKTOK Some ideas: - LIVE DJ, music between plays... have someone actively playing music between plays and if you can afford a microphone have an anouncer... -Custom entrance and TD songs, free and easy to do.. I use one through google chrome. (or just use NHL goal horns... i made a custom one for my last team) - film every game, get an ipad and pay someone $20, and get it up on hudl or something - each team gets a social media account and puts up highlights and stats... make it a TRUE social media presence not just BS post once and forget it - a "main account" with player interviews and game recap which is linked to a youtube account where you post it all. - if I was running it I would shoot a weekly ESPN style show on YOUTUBE... doesn't have to be high budget all can be done very cheap... key is to cover every game and get parents and kids excited that their team and kid is getting recognition - finally this is VERY RADICAL but ALLOW/ENCOURAGE for TD celebrations, full on fortnite dances, leap frog, Ocho Cinco Signing the ball... I think its an archaic rule to prevent field fights when in reality field fights only really occur from cheap shots and never after a TD. Awesome stuff, coach! Keep'm coming.
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Post by somecoach on Sept 3, 2020 12:10:09 GMT -6
That's exciting to hear coach! not a youth coach but we ran an annual youth football clinic All of Gen Z/Gen Alpha LIVE off of Fortnite and TIKTOK Some ideas: - LIVE DJ, music between plays... have someone actively playing music between plays and if you can afford a microphone have an anouncer... -Custom entrance and TD songs, free and easy to do.. I use one through google chrome. (or just use NHL goal horns... i made a custom one for my last team) - film every game, get an ipad and pay someone $20, and get it up on hudl or something - each team gets a social media account and puts up highlights and stats... make it a TRUE social media presence not just BS post once and forget it - a "main account" with player interviews and game recap which is linked to a youtube account where you post it all. - if I was running it I would shoot a weekly ESPN style show on YOUTUBE... doesn't have to be high budget all can be done very cheap... key is to cover every game and get parents and kids excited that their team and kid is getting recognition - finally this is VERY RADICAL but ALLOW/ENCOURAGE for TD celebrations, full on fortnite dances, leap frog, Ocho Cinco Signing the ball... I think its an archaic rule to prevent field fights when in reality field fights only really occur from cheap shots and never after a TD. Awesome stuff, coach! Keep'm coming. I will! Let me know how it goes coach you have my contact info!
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Post by somecoach on Sept 3, 2020 12:13:48 GMT -6
A friend of mine has big $ in a league that he runs here is a VERY HIGH BUDGET version of what I was referring to with the weekly show:
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 19, 2020 9:34:38 GMT -6
To just present a differing viewpoint, I wonder if this quest for trying to infuse glitz and glam into youth ball is impacting participation rates at the HS level. I have seen numerous kids that I teach (k-5th grade) spend countless weekends playing travel baseball with expensive multiple uniforms, matching bat bag and other accessories etc. and posing with "rings" and bringing them to show me. Only a handful actually played through their 4 years of HS baseball. Quite frankly, it just didn't seem as exciting to them, particularly having to slog it out in Frosh and Jv Ball, which after all the parentally created glamour of travel ball when they were kids.
That said, I am not one that believes the purpose of youth ball (particularly under 12 years of age) is prepare kids for HS ball any more than the purpose of HS ball is to prepare kids for college ball, or the job of college coaches is to get the players ready for the NFL.
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 19, 2020 17:18:09 GMT -6
Interview and only hire GOOD COACHES who will teach fundamentals and focus on player development. Have rules for parent behavior on sidelines... my son's coach was being HAMMERED by a parent today because apparently our 7/8 year old kids are experts in body control and are only screwing up because of the coach's playcalls and coaching... totally a joke. An 8 year old missed a tackle... "coach you suck!" is the resulting comment from dad on the sideline.
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Post by bleefb on Sept 19, 2020 17:40:58 GMT -6
That's exciting to hear coach! not a youth coach but we ran an annual youth football clinic All of Gen Z/Gen Alpha LIVE off of Fortnite and TIKTOK Some ideas: - LIVE DJ, music between plays... have someone actively playing music between plays and if you can afford a microphone have an anouncer... -Custom entrance and TD songs, free and easy to do.. I use one through google chrome. (or just use NHL goal horns... i made a custom one for my last team) - film every game, get an ipad and pay someone $20, and get it up on hudl or something - each team gets a social media account and puts up highlights and stats... make it a TRUE social media presence not just BS post once and forget it - a "main account" with player interviews and game recap which is linked to a youtube account where you post it all. - if I was running it I would shoot a weekly ESPN style show on YOUTUBE... doesn't have to be high budget all can be done very cheap... key is to cover every game and get parents and kids excited that their team and kid is getting recognition - finally this is VERY RADICAL but ALLOW/ENCOURAGE for TD celebrations, full on fortnite dances, leap frog, Ocho Cinco Signing the ball... I think its an archaic rule to prevent field fights when in reality field fights only really occur from cheap shots and never after a TD. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 10:55:31 GMT -6
My opinion, I do not like football for kids prior to Junior High. We got rid of it and our program got better and numbers went up. Everyone says you have to have good coaches, but even them I am not sure it matters. Soccer and flag football are much better for development of the child at those ages, as they have to learn to correctly move around. Just my two cents, I know most on here will disagree but that's fine because it works for us.
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 20, 2020 12:46:10 GMT -6
My opinion, I do not like football for kids prior to Junior High. We got rid of it and our program got better and numbers went up. Everyone says you have to have good coaches, but even them I am not sure it matters. Soccer and flag football are much better for development of the child at those ages, as they have to learn to correctly move around. Just my two cents, I know most on here will disagree but that's fine because it works for us. But do you know the reason I disagree? It's because many kids will have their only decent chance in their whole lives of playing this great game before junior high school. It's also the safest time in their lives to play it. Remember the fad for adult dodgeball about 20 years ago? It was like, why's this been exclusively a children's game all this time? So why reserve American football only for their elders? As to infusing fun, if the game doesn't sell itself, why bother? Focus only on getting rid of the negative stuff that prematurely drives kids and/or parents away.
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 20, 2020 12:50:19 GMT -6
Everybody gets a trophy. No scoreboard. Everybody wins. ( could resist) You're mixed up. Use a scoreboard, and start each team with 100 points!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 12:53:44 GMT -6
Everybody gets a trophy. No scoreboard. Everybody wins. ( could resist) You're mixed up. Use a scoreboard, and start each team with 100 points! i didn’t go far enough, I left out every has to take snap and throw the ball.
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Post by fantom on Sept 20, 2020 13:57:19 GMT -6
My opinion, I do not like football for kids prior to Junior High. We got rid of it and our program got better and numbers went up. Everyone says you have to have good coaches, but even them I am not sure it matters. Soccer and flag football are much better for development of the child at those ages, as they have to learn to correctly move around. Just my two cents, I know most on here will disagree but that's fine because it works for us. I agree. I think that kids that age should be playing Calvinball, making up their own rules and figuring things out for themselves.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 20, 2020 14:49:51 GMT -6
My opinion, I do not like football for kids prior to Junior High. We got rid of it and our program got better and numbers went up. Everyone says you have to have good coaches, but even them I am not sure it matters. Soccer and flag football are much better for development of the child at those ages, as they have to learn to correctly move around. Just my two cents, I know most on here will disagree but that's fine because it works for us. I agree. I think that kids that age should be playing Calvinball, making up their own rules and figuring things out for themselves. Do you hold that same belief for other sports? So no organized sports until age 12/13?
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Post by somecoach on Sept 20, 2020 19:06:12 GMT -6
That's exciting to hear coach! not a youth coach but we ran an annual youth football clinic All of Gen Z/Gen Alpha LIVE off of Fortnite and TIKTOK Some ideas: - LIVE DJ, music between plays... have someone actively playing music between plays and if you can afford a microphone have an anouncer... -Custom entrance and TD songs, free and easy to do.. I use one through google chrome. (or just use NHL goal horns... i made a custom one for my last team) - film every game, get an ipad and pay someone $20, and get it up on hudl or something - each team gets a social media account and puts up highlights and stats... make it a TRUE social media presence not just BS post once and forget it - a "main account" with player interviews and game recap which is linked to a youtube account where you post it all. - if I was running it I would shoot a weekly ESPN style show on YOUTUBE... doesn't have to be high budget all can be done very cheap... key is to cover every game and get parents and kids excited that their team and kid is getting recognition - finally this is VERY RADICAL but ALLOW/ENCOURAGE for TD celebrations, full on fortnite dances, leap frog, Ocho Cinco Signing the ball... I think its an archaic rule to prevent field fights when in reality field fights only really occur from cheap shots and never after a TD. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. I feel ya... but watching participation rates drop and letting our beloved sport go the way of the dinosaur actually makes me throw up. a little social media marketing and an appeal to Gen Z/Gen Alpha goes a long way. but hey ... I guess I'll be the first Fortnite Coach to bring film study, drills, and playbooks into the Esports realm.
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Post by somecoach on Sept 20, 2020 19:07:12 GMT -6
My opinion, I do not like football for kids prior to Junior High. We got rid of it and our program got better and numbers went up. Everyone says you have to have good coaches, but even them I am not sure it matters. Soccer and flag football are much better for development of the child at those ages, as they have to learn to correctly move around. Just my two cents, I know most on here will disagree but that's fine because it works for us. I agree. I think that kids that age should be playing Calvinball, making up their own rules and figuring things out for themselves. Sadly I just don't see kids playing ANY BALL on their own. I have had this conversation before and I can't remember the last time I had to stop my car for a pickup game.
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Post by somecoach on Sept 20, 2020 19:13:06 GMT -6
To just present a differing viewpoint, I wonder if this quest for trying to infuse glitz and glam into youth ball is impacting participation rates at the HS level. I have seen numerous kids that I teach (k-5th grade) spend countless weekends playing travel baseball with expensive multiple uniforms, matching bat bag and other accessories etc. and posing with "rings" and bringing them to show me. Only a handful actually played through their 4 years of HS baseball. Quite frankly, it just didn't seem as exciting to them, particularly having to slog it out in Frosh and Jv Ball, which after all the parentally created glamour of travel ball when they were kids. That said, I am not one that believes the purpose of youth ball (particularly under 12 years of age) is prepare kids for HS ball any more than the purpose of HS ball is to prepare kids for college ball, or the job of college coaches is to get the players ready for the NFL. agree on the phony rings and glitz... hilarious watching an incomeing freshman walking into highschool with the swagger of a superbowl champ when in reality they were on a STACKED team that just out muscled the rest of their league. def can ruin a kid for life if you don't humble them quickly i.e.: "coach don't know what he's talking about I scored 38 TDs in 8th grade" ... we made damn sure to humble them real quick on JV. by game 2 the bright one's realize that there are more kids at their skill/talent level on the other sideline then ours.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 20, 2020 19:50:25 GMT -6
To just present a differing viewpoint, I wonder if this quest for trying to infuse glitz and glam into youth ball is impacting participation rates at the HS level. I have seen numerous kids that I teach (k-5th grade) spend countless weekends playing travel baseball with expensive multiple uniforms, matching bat bag and other accessories etc. and posing with "rings" and bringing them to show me. Only a handful actually played through their 4 years of HS baseball. Quite frankly, it just didn't seem as exciting to them, particularly having to slog it out in Frosh and Jv Ball, which after all the parentally created glamour of travel ball when they were kids. That said, I am not one that believes the purpose of youth ball (particularly under 12 years of age) is prepare kids for HS ball any more than the purpose of HS ball is to prepare kids for college ball, or the job of college coaches is to get the players ready for the NFL. agree on the phony rings and glitz... hilarious watching an incomeing freshman walking into highschool with the swagger of a superbowl champ when in reality they were on a STACKED team that just out muscled the rest of their league. def can ruin a kid for life if you don't humble them quickly i.e.: "coach don't know what he's talking about I scored 38 TDs in 8th grade" ... we made damn sure to humble them real quick on JV. by game 2 the bright one's realize that there are more kids at their skill/talent level on the other sideline then ours. But does the humbling process also lead to the attrition of numbers. And not just because of a realization of talent equivalency, or the undeserved swagger but also because Freshman ball doesn't have much sizzle. No run throughs, no real crowd, music etc. It is just pure competition.
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Post by somecoach on Sept 20, 2020 20:13:02 GMT -6
agree on the phony rings and glitz... hilarious watching an incomeing freshman walking into highschool with the swagger of a superbowl champ when in reality they were on a STACKED team that just out muscled the rest of their league. def can ruin a kid for life if you don't humble them quickly i.e.: "coach don't know what he's talking about I scored 38 TDs in 8th grade" ... we made damn sure to humble them real quick on JV. by game 2 the bright one's realize that there are more kids at their skill/talent level on the other sideline then ours. But does the humbling process also lead to the attrition of numbers. And not just because of a realization of talent equivalency, or the undeserved swagger but also because Freshman ball doesn't have much sizzle. No run throughs, no real crowd, music etc. It is just pure competition. no not at all (for us) its just honest coaching... and the kid getting nailed on a kick return when they realize they aren't the fastest kid on the field anymore lol but I do see exactly what you are saying ... maybe its a sign for freshman/jv ball to step things (we had all a kid with a laptop to play the music, entrance theme, crowd, cheerleaders, etc. ... of course our league's "JV" level is full of fully stocked 50-60 man rosters and plays on saturdays ... so we have a higher expecation)
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Post by fantom on Sept 20, 2020 20:37:28 GMT -6
I agree. I think that kids that age should be playing Calvinball, making up their own rules and figuring things out for themselves. Do you hold that same belief for other sports? So no organized sports until age 12/13? Good question. Not baseball. It's just too hard to organize real hardball outside of Little League.
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 20, 2020 23:48:10 GMT -6
I agree. I think that kids that age should be playing Calvinball, making up their own rules and figuring things out for themselves. Sadly I just don't see kids playing ANY BALL on their own. I have had this conversation before and I can't remember the last time I had to stop my car for a pickup game. This is probably true in many places, and a result of demographics. Simply put, the number of children per square mile, once it drops below a certain point, makes pickup team sports -- and a lot of other activities we were used to seeing by children -- infeasible. And for particular sports, you can subtract from that number children who are recent immigrants from a place that sport isn't common in. People move out to the suburbs to raise children, but if those suburbs are low enough in density to make it impracticable for children to walk to many friends' houses, then child-initiated activities just won't happen. In some cases biking may substitute for walking, but it's not as easy to get to know others your age by meeting them on bikes. Hence the recent phenomenon of the parent-arranged play date. Also the stories we're reading about of children unaccompanied by adults being marked as victims of neglect; then the pickup culture becomes effectively illegal. There are other adverse consequences for football of a drop in the number of children per household (independently of the number per square mile). When children become rare, they become precious...fragile...items for the display case. Childless couples don't have experience they can pass along to their friends and neighbors with children, and it's amazing to me how dimly many people remember their own childhood. (Apparently those of us who can remember back to when we were very young are the minority. It's one of those mental capacities that those of us who have take for granted until we learn by experience that many others don't share.)
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Post by Coach Bennett on Sept 24, 2020 9:56:03 GMT -6
Update: our new USA youth football league (padded flag) has 30 kids grades 3-4 (last year's tackle group had 12) and 20 kids grades 5-6 (last year's PAL team had 11).
We started grades 7-12 Tuesday and had 40 kids show up for our first night. NYS interscholastic football is not happening this fall so we were really excited to have that many. Hoping for more sign ups before Saturday.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 24, 2020 11:40:46 GMT -6
I've coached youth ball for two seasons in two different leagues. One season was some of the most fun I've had as a coach, the other season was the WORST (I'm not over exaggerating). Here's what the better league did:
1. Emphasized development above all else. The number one priority was coaching the kids and getting them playing time. There was a high minimum playing time quota set and, as coaches, we had to justify not getting a kid the minimum with the league.
2. Scores were kept at games but there weren't playoffs. IMO, playoffs and a championship are detrimental to youth sports. There are too many things involved in a playoff system that can detract from development during the regular season. And, the playoff system invite a lot of chit coaches and bad parents.
3. In the better league, coaches were thoroughly screened. Daddies weren't allowed to coach unless they had been in the league prior to their kid(s) joining. The league had no tolerance for poor coaching habits and was run by a strict commissioner; he'd remove a coach from the league if they were a problem.
4. The parents had a contract they had to sign with a clear, strict set of rules and guidelines for behavior and communication. If they were a PITA, they weren't allowed to come to games. And, the commissioner had no problem removing obnoxious parents from games; I saw cops escort a parent off of the grounds once.
5. Nothing about the league screamed glitz or glamour and it was set up this way intentionally.
Remember, at the end of the day, it's about the kids learning to practice hard, enjoy the game and play on Saturday. A 4th grader that shows up every day and works hard isn't going to give a chit if they're "league champions" but he never sees the field.
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Post by somecoach on Sept 28, 2020 10:07:09 GMT -6
Update: our new USA youth football league (padded flag) has 30 kids grades 3-4 (last year's tackle group had 12) and 20 kids grades 5-6 (last year's PAL team had 11). We started grades 7-12 Tuesday and had 40 kids show up for our first night. NYS interscholastic football is not happening this fall so we were really excited to have that many. Hoping for more sign ups before Saturday. ... you are located in NY?
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 28, 2020 12:15:48 GMT -6
No special teams. Such a waste of practice time. No punting, no PAT, no FG, no kickoffs. Refs have enormous latitude for mercy rules, so if you’re dominating a team and stop them on fourth down in their own red zone he might just back you up fifty yards. Because who gives a crap, you’re up by a hundred in a kids’ game. Or just declare that Ralph can’t play RB any more this game. Because again, you’re up by a hundred, Ralph’s got 250 yards and 4 TDs, and he’s too big and strong for anyone to enjoy themselves when he’s running, Ralph himself included. Find coaches who enjoy competing more than they enjoy winning. Guys who want to compete are looking to win within the spirit of the game, guys who want to win are going to find little word games in the rules. Preventive officiating. Don’t throw a flag unless it’s absolutely necessary. Promote a game that MOVES. No five-minute huddles, get organized, run a small enough playbook that kids can understand it. This may be heretical, but 9-man. Shrink the field and make it so that their little brains can grasp what’s going on with fewer players, and reduce the track meet aspect of so many toss and sweep leagues.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Sept 28, 2020 17:42:39 GMT -6
Update: our new USA youth football league (padded flag) has 30 kids grades 3-4 (last year's tackle group had 12) and 20 kids grades 5-6 (last year's PAL team had 11). We started grades 7-12 Tuesday and had 40 kids show up for our first night. NYS interscholastic football is not happening this fall so we were really excited to have that many. Hoping for more sign ups before Saturday. ... you are located in NY? Yes, Saranac Lake.
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