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Post by taguilar on Mar 3, 2020 19:46:34 GMT -6
I have reading a lot on coaches trying to eliminate the weekend staff meetings. They seem to be going to shared google docs where the staff inputs info and ideas on these templates for all to see. There was an article on football scoop the other and a course on coachtube. Has anyone had any experience with this?
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Post by buckeye7525 on Mar 4, 2020 18:32:37 GMT -6
The last few years I was an OC at my old school we stopped meeting over the weekends. At some point during the weekend our HC would give me a call and I’d talk to him about my thoughts on what we needed to do. At that point we’d been coaching together awhile so those conversations were pretty short.
One of the things I did my last year there was set up a GoogleDoc that our O guys had access to where we could write down our attack thoughts and rationale for why we liked them. If I was still an OC this would definitely be something I’d still do and expand on it a little more like in the football scoop article.
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Post by taguilar on Mar 5, 2020 7:24:40 GMT -6
I see many benefits of the googledocs and being able to be at home more. It would allow coaches the opportunity to have input in gameplanning. However, what happens when a coach gets tied up and doesn't do his part and you are waiting on it to be completed? Not meeting would make the wife happy but I would still need the time to breakdown film, draw up scout cards, scout sheets etc. It is nice to go to school and get my work then head back home.
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Post by bluboy on Mar 5, 2020 7:39:07 GMT -6
Let me start by saying the entire staff is expected to view HUDL film at home over the weekend. We have "informal" meetings on Sundays; the HC, o-line coach, WR coach, d-line coach, and I (DC) meet. I call these meetings "informal" because the entire staff is invited, but it is not mandatory. Meetings start at 8 am and might go until noon. The offensive and defensive guys work in different rooms and leave when they're finished. I like doing it this way for three reasons: 1) There aren't too many cooks in the kitchen. 2) I have time to look at and think about what we want to do. Kinda' similar to putting something in the crockpot, letting it simmer, and coming back later to taste. It's not unusual for me to call the d-line coach later in the day to discuss something we mentioned in the meeting. 3) I like putting stuff on the board and having two sets of eyes look at it. As soon as I get home from Sunday am meeting, I neatly copy my notes, send a copy to the entire defensive staff, and ask them to look at notes and be ready to discuss at meeting on Monday. By the time we "formally" meet on Monday night, the entire defensive staff has had an opportunity to look at the preliminary game plan, as well as video of opponent, and should be ready to discuss what we want to do. I don't mind working seven days a week; I've been doing it that way since the beginning of my career. I realize that guys have family obligations and that some guys just need time away.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Mar 5, 2020 7:56:45 GMT -6
We don't meet. We do the hudl stuff and end up putting it in a GOOGLE DOC and GOOGLE CLASSROOM for the kids. But we talk and face time and text to get the plan... I do think we would benefit with a short 30 min meeting or maybe 45 to present the glamplan to the staff and smash any questions or concerns. But not meeting has not been an issue at all
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 9:31:53 GMT -6
We meet on sat and sundays. Everything is copy and paste through hudl though. I still think, outside the sermons, its one of the better things we do. Not from x and o standpoint, but from a big picture p.o.v. ex. This grades, that kids attitude, this baby's mama... Its one thing to say in a text, nother to say it to the group.
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Post by QBCoachDurham on Mar 5, 2020 9:57:50 GMT -6
We do not meet, and have not for the seven years I have been the HC. With all the technology we have, I just don't see the point. Everyone has a job to do over the weekend and they can do it whenever they want. We use Google drive and the phone to communicate.
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Post by fantom on Mar 5, 2020 10:13:10 GMT -6
We meet on sat and sundays. Everything is copy and paste through hudl though. I still think, outside the sermons, its one of the better things we do. Not from x and o standpoint, but from a big picture p.o.v. ex. This grades, that kids attitude, this baby's mama... Its one thing to say in a text, nother to say it to the group. This is the problem that I have with doing everything online. If "Goodfellas" has taught us anything it's that talking over the phone is a bad idea. Writing it down, where it can be taken out of context and never goes away, is a hundred times worse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 10:42:07 GMT -6
We meet on sat and sundays. Everything is copy and paste through hudl though. I still think, outside the sermons, its one of the better things we do. Not from x and o standpoint, but from a big picture p.o.v. ex. This grades, that kids attitude, this baby's mama... Its one thing to say in a text, nother to say it to the group. This is the problem that I have with doing everything online. If "Goodfellas" has taught us anything it's that talking over the phone is a bad idea. Writing it down, where it can be taken out of context and never goes away, is a hundred times worse. Great point. Teacher sends email innocently. Teacher is arrested for crime you fill in the blank. Happens all the time. In addition, you clear the air in the meeting. There is no backing away from it. One thinks twice when laptops and fist have been thrown.
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Post by dblwngr on Mar 5, 2020 17:22:04 GMT -6
We meet from four to six on Sundays. That give us all the time we need to break down film, game plan, script play, etc. during the weekend at a time that works best for us (some work Saturdays).
When we get to the meeting, it's all business. Thoughts on the last game, offensive game plan, defensive game plan, personnel changes due to injuries and any scheduling logistics that need discussing and go home.
If things were still like they were 20 years ago, coaching may not be for me and especially my wife and kids.
Get to the HC's house, have a beer, wait for everyone to get there, have another beer, tell stories, eat snacks, watch film, argue about personnel changes for a couple of hours, drink more beer, watch the NFL game on TV for a bit, tell more "back in the day" stories (which are cool but not time efficient)...and on and on.
I'm sure some of you guys know what I'm talking about.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 5, 2020 20:06:20 GMT -6
We don't meet any more on weekends. Can't say I miss weekend meetings personally but I have been doing this for over 20 years now so have a good handle on what I need to prepare for the next game. We aren't a real big game plan of the week team on O, we run our wing-t and add a wrinkle here or there but nothing crazy. As DC I figure out what they do best and how we can prepare for it within our system.
One thing that doesn't effect me anymore but I see as a huge negative for not meeting is having young coaches sit there learning the game from the older guys as I did. And yes contributing when they can,not trying to say young guys opionis aren't valued but you get my point.
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Post by funkfriss on Mar 5, 2020 22:30:52 GMT -6
Wingt you beat me to it! I feel that I personally don’t need to meet, but my younger coaches benefit greatly from it. They share ideas and we talk about why they are good and bad for our game plan.
For those that don’t meet, do you feel like you lose out on collaborative ideas that can snowball from meetings?
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Post by wolverine55 on Mar 6, 2020 6:46:57 GMT -6
I've always been a bit torn on this. Part of me can't imagine not meeting for at least a couple hours on weekends. Yet...I coach basketball as well and the idea of "staff meetings" never once gets brought up! Currently, we do meet for 2-3 hours on Sunday to go over any thoughts/ideas based on film we watched individually on Saturday and to piece together the gameplan. We do put together a scouting report via Google Docs, so we honestly could not meet and just view what we are all putting on the scouting report. I do think there is value in meeting, but probably not a necessity given today's technology.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Mar 6, 2020 12:21:45 GMT -6
Wingt you beat me to it! I feel that I personally don’t need to meet, but my younger coaches benefit greatly from it. They share ideas and we talk about why they are good and bad for our game plan. For those that don’t meet, do you feel like you lose out on collaborative ideas that can snowball from meetings? I feel we do miss out on some of what your talking about by not meeting. As I stated before I wish we could meet for 30 minutes to an hour to present game plan and solidify confusions in anything.
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Post by mrjvi on Mar 6, 2020 13:39:34 GMT -6
Our practice on Monday is weights and film for the kids. We meet as a staff after that on Mondays. Coaches know what to prepare over the weekend on their own. On offense I pretty much get 4-6 key plays on HUDL ready to critique them. 20 minutes usually and the d the same. Some may meet with each other over the weekend, but otherwise nothing on weekends. We do have some saturday games, though.
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Post by veerman on Mar 8, 2020 7:55:10 GMT -6
We still meet, but sometimes we seem like we are just keeping a office desk warm. I agree with HUDL times have changed, were we use to spend countless hours drawing formations/plays/and chart tendencies, we have that information once the columns are filled. I think spending an hour or so would be great, but spending 3-6 hours is keeping seats warm IMO.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 8, 2020 8:50:47 GMT -6
This is the problem that I have with doing everything online. If "Goodfellas" has taught us anything it's that talking over the phone is a bad idea. Writing it down, where it can be taken out of context and never goes away, is a hundred times worse. Great point. Teacher sends email innocently. Teacher is arrested for crime you fill in the blank. Happens all the time. In addition, you clear the air in the meeting. There is no backing away from it. One thinks twice when laptops and fist have been thrown. Please-show us all the "happens all the time" instances of teachers being arrested for crimes because of an honest and innocently sent email. Good lord. Despite the insane hyperbole, the second statement has some validity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 21:15:18 GMT -6
All you have to do is google “hs coaches fired for emails and text.” And I know it happens in lots of cases where it gets no press clippings.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 8, 2020 22:06:33 GMT -6
All you have to do is google “hs coaches fired for emails and text.” And I know it happens in lots of cases where it gets no press clippings. . Fired for something contained in an email (but pertaining to football) is lightyears from being arrested for a crime - which were your exact words.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 22:12:35 GMT -6
All you have to do is google “hs coaches fired for emails and text.” And I know it happens in lots of cases where it gets no press clippings. . Fired for something contained in an email (but pertaining to football) is lightyears from being arrested for a crime - which were your exact words. Put into google, “coaches arrested for text to student/parents.”
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 8, 2020 22:31:41 GMT -6
. Fired for something contained in an email (but pertaining to football) is lightyears from being arrested for a crime - which were your exact words. Put into google, “coaches arrested for text to student/parents.” . Only you grad17/1862/pithy/ whatever other names you have had or will have, can take a thread about coaching meetings and face to face vs electronic communication between coaches and turn it into something like this (because we all know what stories pop up when you google that) This is the 5th or 6th time you have brought up that type of thing on huey. You should get evaluated man. For your benefit and the benefit as well as the kids.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 22:38:01 GMT -6
Put into google, “coaches arrested for text to student/parents.” . Only you grad17/1862/pithy/ whatever other names you have had or will have, can take a thread about coaching meetings and face to face vs electronic communication between coaches and turn it into something like this (because we all know what stories pop up when you google that) This is the 5th or 6th time you have brought up that type of thing on huey. You should get evaluated man. For your benefit and the benefit as well as the kids. thanks for the insight.
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Post by syphrit7 on Mar 11, 2020 6:36:16 GMT -6
Our JV program plays on Saturday mornings. Because of that, I think it makes since to bring in all players for a quick workout and a LITTLE film, not 2 hour b**ch sessions. Let the Varsity players go to the JV games to watch.
Once the JV game is over and the kids head home, coaches should head home too. I like to talk to the other coaches though text messages and screen shots from Hudl.
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Post by Coach Vint on Mar 11, 2020 8:49:52 GMT -6
I can't imagine not meeting on the weekend. If we play a Thursday night game on TV we will watch the film as a staff Friday morning, watch with our players Friday afternoon, and then go watch someone play Friday Night. Saturday we don't come in, we communicate via text and google doc as we watch our next opponent. I hate those Saturdays. When we come in Sunday we are behind because we haven't had a true Saturday. While text and google docs give you a way to communicate ideas, you can't have a true discussion. You don't have the back and forth. I value the input of my staff, and google docs doesn't do them the justice of presenting their ideas. I want to be able to ask questions, and let them question each other. Add to this the fact that if I am working from home I am not really at home. It is easier just to jump to the office to do the work without being interrupted.
On a normal Friday night game we will come in Saturday, watch Friday's film as a staff, meet about personnel, watch film with players, finish data entry of our next opponent, and get their fronts, coverages, and blitzes drawn. We then watch one game together to talk about what we see. This is a quick run through to gather some ideas. We go over personnel and go home. I want my guys to make sure they are all-in once them get home. Because we got our work done at the office, they can be all-in at hime. We come back in Sunday to build the game plan. Much of the legwork and analytics were done Saturday, which means Sunday we are putting the plan together, building cards, plans, and scripts, and putting our call sheet together. We are talking about different concepts, adjustments, and how we will attack them on a personnel level, and when it comes to alignments. We couldn't have these discussions as in depth without meeting together. When this is done, we leave.
With all that said, to each his own. Find what works for you. For us, we need to meet. It works best for us. But not meeting may work for some of y'all.
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Post by bluboy on Mar 11, 2020 9:46:21 GMT -6
"I can't imagine not meeting on the weekend...While text and google docs give you a way to communicate ideas, you can't have a true discussion. You don't have the back and forth. I value the input of my staff, and google docs doesn't do them the justice of presenting their ideas. I want to be able to ask questions, and let them question each other."
I totally agree!!!
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 11, 2020 20:38:41 GMT -6
I wanna hang with the coaches and their families. We meet on Sunday night and usually have dinner/drinks for the guys and/or family if we are doing a family-event. Too much work and stress to not get to know the dudes really well and do some fun things together... plus, I can't drink 50 of my home-brew beers by myself every week, so they get to help.
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Post by piratefootball on Mar 15, 2020 9:46:05 GMT -6
Defensively, We meet online using google meet. We have a google docs template that each coach is responsible for filling out and we go through and talk about gameplan thoughts regarding personnel, formation, plays, pass protection, situationally. We go through the practice plan for the week and if there is additional work to do, It is dished out and a deadline is set. We break and start doing our cards for Monday
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Post by piratefootball on Mar 15, 2020 9:46:19 GMT -6
Defensively, We meet online using google meet. We have a google docs template that each coach is responsible for filling out and we go through and talk about gameplan thoughts regarding personnel, formation, plays, pass protection, situationally. We go through the practice plan for the week and if there is additional work to do, It is dished out and a deadline is set. We break and start doing our cards for Monday
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Post by aceback76 on Mar 15, 2020 10:57:28 GMT -6
I have reading a lot on coaches trying to eliminate the weekend staff meetings. They seem to be going to shared google docs where the staff inputs info and ideas on these templates for all to see. There was an article on football scoop the other and a course on coachtube. Has anyone had any experience with this? If you NEED them, have them (don't leave too much extra work for Monday of the next game week). If not, DON'T! On Saturday: We feel we MUST do follow up on injuries, rehab, etc., if nothing else. We never bring players in on Sunday.
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 20, 2020 6:29:53 GMT -6
So, how will the opinions in this thread change over the coming weeks?
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