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Post by pvogel on Nov 25, 2019 17:38:48 GMT -6
We saw a lot of weird BS from coaches this year. Unprofessional stuff from HCs. I'll share stories in comments below so that this thread isn't too much.
It's pretty disappointing as I see the community aspect of coaching to be a tremendous positive. Outlets like this website and the clinics we go to that create the networks of these communities are a cool thing IMO. Unfortunately there are tools amongst us.
So - what are your coaching Public Service Announcements - things that should be rules within our coaches communities that we follow but people don't?
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Post by pvogel on Nov 25, 2019 18:14:21 GMT -6
We were on the wrong side of this headline this weekend. State Semis. They are the defending back2back champs. Very good. We just won our first playoff game in 32 years (2nd total in 60+ years) Coach kept all of his starters in even after the running clock so he could get this kid a South Jersey record. Like they went for it on 4th down and threw to this kid with a running clock. He ended up with 10. I know the short answer is to stop the kid... and we tried. We entered the game missing 2 starters on defense and lost another 4 during the game. We have a roster in the low 20s. Was the record that important? (although they confirmed during the handshake that yes it was) Just unreal. The kind was a nice kid and I don't blame him at all for going all out. But what if he got hurt? I wouldn't be able to live with myself as a coach. This was the semis too. They are in the championship now and risked the health of their stud and the rest of their starters for the sake of a record. Is it that big of a deal? Am i missing something? Also if i'm being a pansy then by all means let me know. I'm not too shaken up about anything. I'm just bothered by whose ego was being stroked by this you know? And was it worth it? Is this what coaching is about? |
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Nov 26, 2019 6:13:26 GMT -6
If it’s not a running clock, don’t get mad.
Our kicker screwed up a squib twice and we got on it once vs the district “favorite”. HC made a scene during the handshake with our HC.
Keep in mind they had actually onside kicked vs a team up by like 50 and scored with their ones
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Post by newhope on Nov 26, 2019 7:40:26 GMT -6
We were on the wrong side of this headline this weekend. State Semis. They are the defending back2back champs. Very good. We just won our first playoff game in 32 years (2nd total in 60+ years) Coach kept all of his starters in even after the running clock so he could get this kid a South Jersey record. Like they went for it on 4th down and threw to this kid with a running clock. He ended up with 10. I know the short answer is to stop the kid... and we tried. We entered the game missing 2 starters on defense and lost another 4 during the game. We have a roster in the low 20s. Was the record that important? (although they confirmed during the handshake that yes it was) Just unreal. The kind was a nice kid and I don't blame him at all for going all out. But what if he got hurt? I wouldn't be able to live with myself as a coach. This was the semis too. They are in the championship now and risked the health of their stud and the rest of their starters for the sake of a record. Is it that big of a deal? Am i missing something? Also if i'm being a pansy then by all means let me know. I'm not too shaken up about anything. I'm just bothered by whose ego was being stroked by this you know? And was it worth it? Is this what coaching is about? Too often we get caught up in breaking records, recording shutouts, paying back some coach for some slight....whatever--and forget there are kids on the other side. As I've gotten older, I've come to ask the same questions you bring up here. If we are truly in this profession to help kids--and not for our own egos--then we need to be better (myself included). And by be better, I don't just mean situations like the one you describe here. |
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Post by pvogel on Nov 26, 2019 9:06:42 GMT -6
We were on the wrong side of this headline this weekend. State Semis. They are the defending back2back champs. Very good. We just won our first playoff game in 32 years (2nd total in 60+ years) Coach kept all of his starters in even after the running clock so he could get this kid a South Jersey record. Like they went for it on 4th down and threw to this kid with a running clock. He ended up with 10. I know the short answer is to stop the kid... and we tried. We entered the game missing 2 starters on defense and lost another 4 during the game. We have a roster in the low 20s. Was the record that important? (although they confirmed during the handshake that yes it was) Just unreal. The kind was a nice kid and I don't blame him at all for going all out. But what if he got hurt? I wouldn't be able to live with myself as a coach. This was the semis too. They are in the championship now and risked the health of their stud and the rest of their starters for the sake of a record. Is it that big of a deal? Am i missing something? Also if i'm being a pansy then by all means let me know. I'm not too shaken up about anything. I'm just bothered by whose ego was being stroked by this you know? And was it worth it? Is this what coaching is about? Too often we get caught up in breaking records, recording shutouts, paying back some coach for some slight....whatever--and forget there are kids on the other side. As I've gotten older, I've come to ask the same questions you bring up here. If we are truly in this profession to help kids--and not for our own egos--then we need to be better (myself included). And by be better, I don't just mean situations like the one you describe here. Appreciated. That's kind of what I'm aiming for here. Sometimes the cult of personality we create is absurd |
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Post by morris on Nov 26, 2019 15:26:15 GMT -6
I left a kid in this year to set a record. He was a Sr and we weren’t going to the playoffs so it was the last game of the season. He got his leg twisted early in the second quarter so the trainers pulled him. They cleared him to play the second half. We didn’t hit the running clock until the second half. He became the first player to ever pass 1000 and became the school’s all time rushing leader. The team we were playing was overmatched. If he hadn’t gotten twisted earlier in the game he would of been out of the game.
Should I of pulled him? Maybe but this was going to be this kid’s final game maybe ever. He had gotten his head beat in for three weeks during district play. We started 3 sophomores and 2 JRs on the OL. We went young this year because we knew that would be our OL next year. My starting offense past the one kid could of all played JV due to most being sophomores with just 3 JRs total. We never punted all year because we sucked at it. We never kicked deep because we were bad at it. We did tell our kids not to try to recover the kicks. The second half we just lined up in the single wing and ran it.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 26, 2019 17:28:29 GMT -6
We were on the wrong side of this headline this weekend. State Semis. They are the defending back2back champs. Very good. We just won our first playoff game in 32 years (2nd total in 60+ years) Coach kept all of his starters in even after the running clock so he could get this kid a South Jersey record. Like they went for it on 4th down and threw to this kid with a running clock. He ended up with 10. I know the short answer is to stop the kid... and we tried. We entered the game missing 2 starters on defense and lost another 4 during the game. We have a roster in the low 20s. Was the record that important? (although they confirmed during the handshake that yes it was) Just unreal. The kind was a nice kid and I don't blame him at all for going all out. But what if he got hurt? I wouldn't be able to live with myself as a coach. This was the semis too. They are in the championship now and risked the health of their stud and the rest of their starters for the sake of a record. Is it that big of a deal? Am i missing something? Also if i'm being a pansy then by all means let me know. I'm not too shaken up about anything. I'm just bothered by whose ego was being stroked by this you know? And was it worth it? Is this what coaching is about? To me guys that do this are screwing their own kids the most. The ones that work hard and don’t always get a chance to see the field. The ones that you rely on to get you a good scout look. The ones that at some point probably are going to need to make a varsity play for you. Regardless of the opponents, shouldn’t you also take into account the other members of your own team? |
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Post by mattharris75 on Nov 27, 2019 22:26:21 GMT -6
We won a game 59-34 this season. In the handshake line after the game their head coach was livid and acted like an idiot because we were 'throwing the ball' while up 24 in the 4th. In reality we were running zone triple option with an 8th grader at QB (with a screen pass as the 3rd phase of the option). An 8th grader. Not throwing bombs, throwing screens... All the while he keeps his stud running back in the entire game, risking an injury that would have ruined their entire season.
Learning to lose, and being a good example to your kids, is a highly underrated attribute in a coach...
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Post by pvogel on Nov 28, 2019 9:05:10 GMT -6
We won a game 59-34 this season. In the handshake line after the game their head coach was livid and acted like an idiot because we were 'throwing the ball' while up 24 in the 4th. In reality we were running zone triple option with an 8th grader at QB (with a screen pass as the 3rd phase of the option). An 8th grader. Not throwing bombs, throwing screens... All the while he keeps his stud running back in the entire game, risking an injury that would have ruined their entire season. Learning to lose, and being a good example to your kids, is a highly underrated attribute in a coach... This! Run your offense. Put in backups and run your O. We played a team we had a running clock on and they're playing 0 and sending everyone against our freshmen. I wanted to tag our RPO stuff to it so badly just to protect our kids. But it's not my name in the paper for running up the score haha. This guy also took a timeout after our frosh took a knee. So we had to punt with our jv team with 3 seconds left... it was our only punt of the game haha. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Nov 29, 2019 16:59:16 GMT -6
Last year we lost to the eventual state champs 56-31. It was 49-0 at half time with a running clock.
We continued to run our offense with our ones to try and get something going for the next week. They kept their 1's in and by the start of the 4th quarter it was 49-24 and people that had left at the half were coming back for the game. Their coaches were screaming across the field that what we were doing was how kids get hurt (they are the cheapest team I have ever witnessed in person). To open the 4th quarter they went on a 15 play drive that took up 8 minutes. We managed to score on our last possession with under 15 seconds to play with our starters still in the game. And we onside kicked and didn't get it.
After the game I about got my shoulder ripped out of the socket by 3 of their coaches...expletives were exchanged, athletes were standing around like there was going to be a fight and then our AD walked through and sent everyone their separate ways.
The entire game was our 1's vs their 1's, found out later that a coaches kid had gotten hurt in the 3rd quarter and they were pissed about it.
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Post by newhope on Dec 6, 2019 9:31:03 GMT -6
Just wondering what you say to your kids who did not get to play in a game that was decided early. Why are they coming to practice if you're not even going to let them in a game that's already been decided? How are you going to tell them you care about them when they can't even get into those games?
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Post by tothehouse on Dec 6, 2019 10:14:43 GMT -6
What if it's the opposite and you're trying to figure out if your HC is actually trying to lose the game by not throwing, throwing too much, and not giving the ball to your best players.
Sometimes I wonder why people take the job of decision maker when they can't figure out what pair of socks to wear in the morning...or have to ask their wife all the time.
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Post by RunThePistol on Dec 6, 2019 10:20:47 GMT -6
Just wondering what you say to your kids who did not get to play in a game that was decided early. Why are they coming to practice if you're not even going to let them in a game that's already been decided? How are you going to tell them you care about them when they can't even get into those games? We played a 6a team out of Mississippi this year, we're 4a in Tennessee and their HC was nice enough to allow us running clock in the 3rd quarter(There is no mercy clock in MS). We put our 2s in for a while and so did the team from MS, however their 2s were so much better than ours we had to leave our 1s in in order to prevent injuries. We didn't have any hate towards them, our pride was hurt but we learned from that game and ripped off 11 wins a row before losing in the semis. To answer your question we still had some kids that never stepped on the field but we did it in order to protect them. That's the only time all year in blow out games that some kids didn't play. |
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Post by veerfan on Dec 6, 2019 10:40:34 GMT -6
Just wondering what you say to your kids who did not get to play in a game that was decided early. Why are they coming to practice if you're not even going to let them in a game that's already been decided? How are you going to tell them you care about them when they can't even get into those games? We saw this a lot this year. Other teams would mule-train the clock when it was 1's vs. 1's, then once the game was in hand, we pulled our starters and they would start going up tempo on our JV/Freshmen. None of their backups got into the game. In the playoffs, I can see leaving your seniors in for a while longer, but I'm sure it would mean the world to some of those kids to say they were able to play in one of those post-season games. Had one team onside kick with 8 seconds left in the game in a second round playoff game....we were up 56-28. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 6, 2019 11:38:19 GMT -6
Just wondering what you say to your kids who did not get to play in a game that was decided early. Why are they coming to practice if you're not even going to let them in a game that's already been decided? How are you going to tell them you care about them when they can't even get into those games? It happened that last year we only had 10 seniors and only 5 of them were eligible for that game...that means that lots of juniors and sophomores were playing already. We also play a full JV schedule and have a few soph. only games during the season. We stipulate that varsity playing is at no time, under no condition guaranteed. If you want to play there will be games for you to prove yourself. That being said we have over the last couple of seasons had kids who have no desire to get into any game. They stay as far away from the coaches as possible and huddle together having side conversations and miss their chances to get into JV and soph. games. We even let seniors play in JV games if they feel they are not getting enough varsity chances to prove themselves.
Playing time at least for me is not an indication of how much we care about them. We care about them through coaching the crap out of every kid during practice and talking to them before and after practice about them and what they are doing in the rest of their lives.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Dec 10, 2019 11:04:12 GMT -6
This is a PSA we created for all sports... PSA |
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Post by pvogel on Dec 10, 2019 13:40:55 GMT -6
This is a PSA we created for all sports... PSAThis is fantastic! |
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Post by Coach Bennett on Dec 11, 2019 6:41:43 GMT -6
This is a PSA we created for all sports... PSAThis is fantastic! Thanks, coach! Incredible the parallels between athletics and the arts and the double standards that stand between them. |
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Post by coachgutz on Dec 12, 2019 13:07:19 GMT -6
This is a PSA we created for all sports... PSAThis is great. Should be something all parets have ot watch. |
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