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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 7:23:58 GMT -6
Could this be something you put into a power point and explain every year at a parents meeting, or players meeting?
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Post by pistolwhipped on Oct 31, 2019 7:31:42 GMT -6
Break into smaller groups and have the older kids that do know, teach the different scenarios, vocabulary, etc.
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Post by CoachC on Oct 31, 2019 7:53:57 GMT -6
A buddy of mine told me no matter what, that every year i coach freshman football i need to never ever assume that a kid knows anything about football. And because of this anytime i use a term that to most of us is understood i need to make sure they know what i mean. He highly recommended that every year i give the kids a whiteboard lecture of sorts to cover the most common terms that will be used. So with that in mind here would be an updated list of things that i would cover Directional Terms Play Side: Back Side: Strong Side: Weak Side: Field Landmarks Side Lines: Yard Lines: Goal Line: End Line: Hashes: Numbers: Top of the Numbers: Bottom of the Numbers: Flag/Corner: Upright/Posts: Offensive Terms: Snap: Cadence: Motion: Route: Defensive ID/Terms Gaps: Techniques: Shade: Head Up: Zone Coverage: Man Coverage: Contain: Box: Spill: Flow: Pursuit: Trigger: Leverage: Head Up: Inside: Outside: Blitz: Positions Cornerback: Safety: Line Backer: Defensive Line: Offensive Line: Running Backs: Fullback: Wing Back: Quarter Backs: Wide Receivers: Tight Ends: Sniffer: I really like this list. I would also add what is meant when a coach says "move up", "move in", "move out", "move back". The directional stuff related to the ball and the LOS is extremely confusing to the newbies. On a side note, my favorite freshman story was when I asked a kid what he played in Pop Warner and he said on the line. I asked him which position. He said he played the lineman next to the guy that hikes the ball. Everyone's advise to start from the beginning and don't make assumptions is spot on.
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Post by carookie on Oct 31, 2019 8:05:55 GMT -6
I think there is being a lot lost in translation here as everyone has a different frame of reference for what 101 means. To me, this means explaining what you teach to a 6th grade girls PE class in the first 3 days of a two-week long unit on football (everything they need to know before they try and play). Anything that is technique or even cursory strategy is the next step (a 102 class if you like); this also includes alignment terminology (gap/shade, etc). Not to write that isnt important, just clearly on a different step from intro. I think the following is really the 101s-
1) Basic Objectives & Means to Achieve- Offense is team with ball, they are trying to score a TD.....What a down, how to get 1st down etc.
2) Rules- Legal formations, eligible receivers, false starts, holding, forward pass rules. Offside, PI, illegal tackling (facemask, spearing, etc) all the rules that come up.
3) Positions and General Responsibilities- Their position name and what they do- here is: this is the 'center' (or 'C') his job is to snap the ball to begin the play and then block.
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Post by aceback76 on Oct 31, 2019 9:03:54 GMT -6
Hey "numbnut" - What have YOU contributed to the OP??? You are just trying to ruin another thread and somehow you never ever see that this is a very common action on your part. One day the fact might dawn upon that giant intellect of yours that what I post is NONE of your damned business!!! Coach, I think that he has a point. What you posted is great if you're educating QB's. That's not what the OP asked for, though. He's looking for what to teach young kids who play every position, some of whom may not have played organized football before (And even if they played youth ball may not have learned much). In this case the old Lombardi line, "This is a football" would be more appropriate. I am fully aware of what the OP wanted, & I offered what WE believe in (for Mid & high School athletes). It works for us (& is taught by becoming "progressively" more detailed from grade 8 or 9, ON UP). It all boils down to teaching defense by the "5 FAMILIES OF FRONTS", and the "SIX BASIC COVERAGES" (not at all hard to do). You would understand IF you saw the content. Anyone who disagrees is free to offer their OWN answers, so let's have them. "Critics don't count, the doers do". PS: Is Mike still coaching at Hampton?
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Post by 33coach on Oct 31, 2019 11:07:15 GMT -6
Coach, I think that he has a point. What you posted is great if you're educating QB's. That's not what the OP asked for, though. He's looking for what to teach young kids who play every position, some of whom may not have played organized football before (And even if they played youth ball may not have learned much). In this case the old Lombardi line, "This is a football" would be more appropriate. I am fully aware of what the OP wanted, & I offered what WE believe in (for Mid & high School athletes). It works for us (& is taught by becoming "progressively" more detailed from grade 8 or 9, ON UP). It all boils down to teaching defense by the "5 FAMILIES OF FRONTS", and the "SIX BASIC COVERAGES" (not at all hard to do). You would understand IF you saw the content. Anyone who disagrees is free to offer their OWN answers, so let's have them. "Critics don't count, the doers do". PS: Is Mike still coaching at Hampton? but what about the kids who arnt even sure what a kickoff is? ive worked with Middle school kids who have legitimately never seen a football game...
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Post by fantom on Oct 31, 2019 11:08:34 GMT -6
PS: Is Mike still coaching at Hampton? Yes.
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Post by aceback76 on Oct 31, 2019 11:24:21 GMT -6
I am fully aware of what the OP wanted, & I offered what WE believe in (for Mid & high School athletes). It works for us (& is taught by becoming "progressively" more detailed from grade 8 or 9, ON UP). It all boils down to teaching defense by the "5 FAMILIES OF FRONTS", and the "SIX BASIC COVERAGES" (not at all hard to do). You would understand IF you saw the content. Anyone who disagrees is free to offer their OWN answers, so let's have them. "Critics don't count, the doers do". PS: Is Mike still coaching at Hampton? but what about the kids who arnt even sure what a kickoff is? ive worked with Middle school kids who have legitimately never seen a football game... I have coached kids from 8 year olds to the pro-level ages (& have found "football IS football"). Each coach adjusts to what HE has AT THE TIME (that is the "key"). I'm sure you will come up with answers. You can PM me if you want MY help. NOTE: I didn't enter this discussion to debate MY suggestions (just offer them). Feel free to offer some of your own based upon YOUR experience.
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Post by blb on Oct 31, 2019 11:32:44 GMT -6
When I was young at my first few HC jobs I taught a Mom's Class on Wednesday nights that was basically Football 101.
The Outline was this:
I. Why play Football?
II. Basic Facts Objective of the game The ball The Field Timing Player equipment (with demonstration by one of our players) - maybe most important thing for Moms!
III. How the game is played Coin toss Downs-Yards to gain (and Chain Gang) Line of scrimmage and Neutral Zone Scoring
IV. Officials, Penalties, and Signals
V. The Kicking Game
VI. Offense Positions-requirements (including numbering) Basic formations Basic types of running plays Basic types of passing plays
VII. Defense Objectives Positions-Personnel Basic types of defenses
Always allowed for questions of course.
Handouts included Glossary with basic football terminology and another with illustrated Referee's signals
If there was time and there seemed to be interest we would discuss Strategy, How to Watch a Football game, importance of Off-Season program
Hopefully this might satisfy aceback76
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Post by 33coach on Oct 31, 2019 12:24:01 GMT -6
but what about the kids who arnt even sure what a kickoff is? ive worked with Middle school kids who have legitimately never seen a football game... I have coached kids from 8 year olds to the pro-level ages (& have found "football IS football"). Each coach adjusts to what HE has AT THE TIME (that is the "key"). I'm sure you will come up with answers. You can PM me if you want MY help. NOTE: I didn't enter this discussion to debate MY suggestions (just offer them). Feel free to offer some of your own based upon YOUR experience. im not here to debate either, to be clear that question was honest...im not part of the argument going on in this thread when you talk about fronts and coverages... my point was that is probably to deep in the woods for what was asked...so what do you do when you are working with a kid who has never seen a football game? my suggestion was above. pull down a non-clipped game tape...huddles and all, and watch and explain start to finish.
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Post by aceback76 on Oct 31, 2019 16:04:37 GMT -6
I have coached kids from 8 year olds to the pro-level ages (& have found "football IS football"). Each coach adjusts to what HE has AT THE TIME (that is the "key"). I'm sure you will come up with answers. You can PM me if you want MY help. NOTE: I didn't enter this discussion to debate MY suggestions (just offer them). Feel free to offer some of your own based upon YOUR experience. im not here to debate either, to be clear that question was honest...im not part of the argument going on in this thread when you talk about fronts and coverages... my point was that is probably to deep in the woods for what was asked...so what do you do when you are working with a kid who has never seen a football game? my suggestion was above. pull down a non-clipped game tape...huddles and all, and watch and explain start to finish. Never coached a kid that NEVER saw a game. It helped that I had a couple of assistants that were known former NFL players in the area - kids looked up to them. Early in the season, we took our 2 Youth League teams (8-10, & 11-12) to High School games in the area, also the Redskins Training Camp 3 miles from here (& have them meet the players). ALL of them watched College & Pro on TV, and FOLLOWED the players they met. What I would do is show them PLENTY of games on video/dvd.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 31, 2019 16:11:15 GMT -6
im not here to debate either, to be clear that question was honest...im not part of the argument going on in this thread when you talk about fronts and coverages... my point was that is probably to deep in the woods for what was asked...so what do you do when you are working with a kid who has never seen a football game? my suggestion was above. pull down a non-clipped game tape...huddles and all, and watch and explain start to finish. Never coached a kid that NEVER saw a game. It helped that I had a couple of assistants that were known former NFL players in the area - kids looked up to them. Early in the season, we took our 2 Youth League teams (8-10, & 11-12) to High School games in the area, also the Redskins Training Camp 3 miles from here. ALL of them watched College & Pro on TV. What I would do is show them PLENTY of games on video/dvd. i wish i had that. i get 3-4 a year that have never had a TV in their house...dont watch sports...dont even play the video games.
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Post by aceback76 on Oct 31, 2019 16:12:46 GMT -6
Never coached a kid that NEVER saw a game. It helped that I had a couple of assistants that were known former NFL players in the area - kids looked up to them. Early in the season, we took our 2 Youth League teams (8-10, & 11-12) to High School games in the area, also the Redskins Training Camp 3 miles from here. ALL of them watched College & Pro on TV. What I would do is show them PLENTY of games on video/dvd. i wish i had that. i get 3-4 a year that have never had a TV in their house...dont watch sports...dont even play the video games. They will always remember YOU for having introduced them to the game (at least you will be "writing on a clean slate")!! Best Wishes!
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 1, 2019 10:27:59 GMT -6
I think we need this for coaches as much as players. I know none of you other fellas would have possibly made this mistake but I spend the first few years of my career knowing nothing and pretending to know everything. I was just too fragile in the ego to ask I feel like at the THSCA conference we should have a class just for this that everybody can send their rookie coaches to, would help with a lot of problems at the junior high's and freshman staffs. I think a lot of times these guys just don't know exactly what the HC wants because they don't have the concepts and don't want to ask and sound stupid. Frustration abounds
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Post by choprip on Nov 9, 2019 14:15:15 GMT -6
I know about a year ago, coach started to put this together. I have a folder shared with me from him, but also jump onto the toolbox and it should be in there as well Any idea which folder and what the name of the file is? Thanks.
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Post by coachscdub on Nov 9, 2019 15:16:33 GMT -6
I think there is being a lot lost in translation here as everyone has a different frame of reference for what 101 means. To me, this means explaining what you teach to a 6th grade girls PE class in the first 3 days of a two-week long unit on football (everything they need to know before they try and play). Anything that is technique or even cursory strategy is the next step (a 102 class if you like); this also includes alignment terminology (gap/shade, etc). Not to write that isnt important, just clearly on a different step from intro. I think the following is really the 101s- 1) Basic Objectives & Means to Achieve- Offense is team with ball, they are trying to score a TD.....What a down, how to get 1st down etc. 2) Rules- Legal formations, eligible receivers, false starts, holding, forward pass rules. Offside, PI, illegal tackling (facemask, spearing, etc) all the rules that come up. 3) Positions and General Responsibilities- Their position name and what they do- here is: this is the 'center' (or 'C') his job is to snap the ball to begin the play and then block. I think in terms of high school football this is too basic. If a kid has zero grasp of what football is at all at the age of 14 i would be curious as to how they even signed up for the sport. Not saying that kid shouldnt be educated, but im saying the majority of kids who sign up to play football understand what a touchdown is and how you score one. Rules would need to be talked about, but again kids usually know the common ones (shown in point 2). And alot of kids also come in usually with a desire to play a certain position as well as a lack of desire for other positions.
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 9, 2019 16:32:04 GMT -6
We have OUR version (power point) for High School football (that I also used in College), BUT, our Mid-School Coaches are at liberty to "water it down" as much as they choose.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 9, 2019 17:12:18 GMT -6
I think there is being a lot lost in translation here as everyone has a different frame of reference for what 101 means. To me, this means explaining what you teach to a 6th grade girls PE class in the first 3 days of a two-week long unit on football (everything they need to know before they try and play). Anything that is technique or even cursory strategy is the next step (a 102 class if you like); this also includes alignment terminology (gap/shade, etc). Not to write that isnt important, just clearly on a different step from intro. I think the following is really the 101s- 1) Basic Objectives & Means to Achieve- Offense is team with ball, they are trying to score a TD.....What a down, how to get 1st down etc. 2) Rules- Legal formations, eligible receivers, false starts, holding, forward pass rules. Offside, PI, illegal tackling (facemask, spearing, etc) all the rules that come up. 3) Positions and General Responsibilities- Their position name and what they do- here is: this is the 'center' (or 'C') his job is to snap the ball to begin the play and then block. I think in terms of high school football this is too basic. If a kid has zero grasp of what football is at all at the age of 14 i would be curious as to how they even signed up for the sport. Not saying that kid shouldnt be educated, but im saying the majority of kids who sign up to play football understand what a touchdown is and how you score one. Rules would need to be talked about, but again kids usually know the common ones (shown in point 2). And alot of kids also come in usually with a desire to play a certain position as well as a lack of desire for other positions. I think the reality of your perception is becoming less and less common.
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Post by coachscdub on Nov 9, 2019 17:19:16 GMT -6
I think in terms of high school football this is too basic. If a kid has zero grasp of what football is at all at the age of 14 i would be curious as to how they even signed up for the sport. Not saying that kid shouldnt be educated, but im saying the majority of kids who sign up to play football understand what a touchdown is and how you score one. Rules would need to be talked about, but again kids usually know the common ones (shown in point 2). And alot of kids also come in usually with a desire to play a certain position as well as a lack of desire for other positions. I think the reality of your perception is becoming less and less common. I dont know some kids now have an amazing grasp at the game at a young age, and some kids like always dont know anything about the game. I think (and this is just based on my own experience) a fair amount of kids know the true basics before they enter 9th grade. Obviously they dont know every rule or even the majority of the rules but they understand core concept. One thing i notice alot now is kids who play Madden have some grasp over schematic knowledge that kids 50 years ago would never have had.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 9, 2019 17:22:51 GMT -6
I think the reality of your perception is becoming less and less common. I dont know some kids now have an amazing grasp at the game at a young age, and some kids like always dont know anything about the game. I think (and this is just based on my own experience) a fair amount of kids know the true basics before they enter 9th grade. Obviously they dont know every rule or even the majority of the rules but they understand core concept. One thing i notice alot now is kids who play Madden have some grasp over schematic knowledge that kids 50 years ago would never have had. But if you are trying to do a 101 type class, don't you need to start at the most base level. If the kids know it..great, move quickly through planned curriculum. But as shocked as I am by the amount of coaches posting here with obvious holes in their general football knowledge, and given the desired purpose for this by the OP, I think it there is no down side by starting at that base level.
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Post by fantom on Nov 9, 2019 17:44:06 GMT -6
I dont know some kids now have an amazing grasp at the game at a young age, and some kids like always dont know anything about the game. I think (and this is just based on my own experience) a fair amount of kids know the true basics before they enter 9th grade. Obviously they dont know every rule or even the majority of the rules but they understand core concept. One thing i notice alot now is kids who play Madden have some grasp over schematic knowledge that kids 50 years ago would never have had. But if you are trying to do a 101 type class, don't you need to start at the most base level. If the kids know it..great, move quickly through planned curriculum. But as shocked as I am by the amount of coaches posting here with obvious holes in their general football knowledge, and given the desired purpose for this by the OP, I think it there is no down side by starting at that base level. If you've ever read some of the questions that coaches ask in the Rules section you'll never overestimate a 14 year old's knowledge of the rules.
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Post by carookie on Nov 9, 2019 18:35:39 GMT -6
I think there is being a lot lost in translation here as everyone has a different frame of reference for what 101 means. To me, this means explaining what you teach to a 6th grade girls PE class in the first 3 days of a two-week long unit on football (everything they need to know before they try and play). Anything that is technique or even cursory strategy is the next step (a 102 class if you like); this also includes alignment terminology (gap/shade, etc). Not to write that isnt important, just clearly on a different step from intro. I think the following is really the 101s- 1) Basic Objectives & Means to Achieve- Offense is team with ball, they are trying to score a TD.....What a down, how to get 1st down etc. 2) Rules- Legal formations, eligible receivers, false starts, holding, forward pass rules. Offside, PI, illegal tackling (facemask, spearing, etc) all the rules that come up. 3) Positions and General Responsibilities- Their position name and what they do- here is: this is the 'center' (or 'C') his job is to snap the ball to begin the play and then block. I think in terms of high school football this is too basic. If a kid has zero grasp of what football is at all at the age of 14 i would be curious as to how they even signed up for the sport. Not saying that kid shouldnt be educated, but im saying the majority of kids who sign up to play football understand what a touchdown is and how you score one. Rules would need to be talked about, but again kids usually know the common ones (shown in point 2). And alot of kids also come in usually with a desire to play a certain position as well as a lack of desire for other positions. I get what you are writing, hopefully it IS too basic for them. But thats what 101 means- the most basic level so that nobody has any gaps in understanding. As I wrote, anything else is 102 (next level).
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Post by blb on Nov 9, 2019 18:47:18 GMT -6
I think in terms of high school football this is too basic. If a kid has zero grasp of what football is at all at the age of 14 i would be curious as to how they even signed up for the sport. Not saying that kid shouldnt be educated, but im saying the majority of kids who sign up to play football understand what a touchdown is and how you score one. Rules would need to be talked about, but again kids usually know the common ones (shown in point 2). And alot of kids also come in usually with a desire to play a certain position as well as a lack of desire for other positions. I get what you are writing, hopefully it IS too basic for them. But thats what 101 means- the most basic level so that nobody has any gaps in understanding. As I wrote, anything else is 102 (next level).
Wouldn't the next level be 201?
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Post by carookie on Nov 9, 2019 18:57:09 GMT -6
I get what you are writing, hopefully it IS too basic for them. But thats what 101 means- the most basic level so that nobody has any gaps in understanding. As I wrote, anything else is 102 (next level).
Wouldn't the next level be 201?
HAHAHA, pedant. I think 1-0-something would be next as they need more undergrad courses.
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Post by somecoach on Nov 15, 2019 21:36:14 GMT -6
we do this every summer with incoming freshman.
you would be surprised how many kids can't answer why the sticks are there, what the hashes are for, etc.
I have been strongly considering making an entire youtube series on this topic...
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Post by coachtua on Nov 18, 2019 8:41:33 GMT -6
we do this every summer with incoming freshman. you would be surprised how many kids can't answer why the sticks are there, what the hashes are for, etc. I have been strongly considering making an entire youtube series on this topic... DO IT...
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Post by bleefb on Nov 18, 2019 9:22:18 GMT -6
Hey "numbnut" - What have YOU contributed to the OP??? You are just trying to ruin another thread and somehow you never ever see that this is a very common action on your part. One day the fact might dawn upon that giant intellect of yours that what I post is NONE of your damned business!!! Has anyone else seen or heard someone called a numbnut recently?? Bravo sir, that made me chuckle I read last week in Athletic Journal that a coach just got fired for calling his players "numbnuts." Another great word ruined.
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Post by CS on Nov 18, 2019 18:30:37 GMT -6
Has anyone else seen or heard someone called a numbnut recently?? Bravo sir, that made me chuckle I read last week in Athletic Journal that a coach just got fired for calling his players "numbnuts." Another great word ruined. I bet he got fired because they wanted to fire him and used that to get the job done. If they wanted to keep him and they didn’t like that word being used they would have just told him not to use it again
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Post by tog on Nov 20, 2019 15:52:20 GMT -6
I used to have something like this, but for the life of me I cant find it. In general I believe it went like this. 1) Basic Objectives & Means to Achieve- Offense is team with ball, they are trying to score a TD.....What a down is, how to get 1st down &what if you dont, 4th down kicks (Punts/FGs). How the defense tries to stop them- tackle, PBU, out of bounds, turnover. Kickoffs, etc. Be as meticulous with this as you can and establish a foundation 2) Rules- Legal formations, eligible receivers, false starts, holding, forward pass rules. Offside, PI, illegal tackling (facemask, spearing, etc) all the rules that come up. 3) Positions and General Responsibilities- Their position name and what they do. Now mind you I'm not talking about what they do in a specific scheme- ie. the Strong Safety in cover 2 will play 12 yards off the #2 receiver or apexing EMOL and #1 if there is no #2. Playing deep half and staying over the top of the deepest to his side. Thats down the road 102 stuff. What I mean here is: this is the 'center' (or 'C') his job is to snap the ball to begin the play and then block. On a sheet we will indicate the center with a square with an 'X' through it to indicate he is snapping the ball. To either side of the center are the guards....... In any case you have to remember this is 101, crawling before you walk, intro to the sport type stuff that too often we assume players know; so you literally have to teach the basics. I think coverage principles, techniques, things like that is football 102 level and things you teach as part of a team. But you can't assume they have any knowledge when they come to you, YOU have to coach them this cursory knowledge of the sport so that they can play and don't have any gaps. me either dang computers
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Post by Coach Jennings on Nov 22, 2019 9:10:49 GMT -6
This is a great topic. I don't have any curriculum but I'd love to see something.
We've identified the same stuff you guys mentioned in here as a need. We get a lot of kids that never played football before so we find we have to teach from the very beginning. During our specialist period, we have a bunch of kids who don't snap, kick, etc so we take them off to the side and teach them basic skills, many of which you and I learned on the playground.
For example, we don't pass much so we don't really have wide receivers. When we run scout offense, we get irritated when kids can't line up as a WR, so that's a skill we teach in our specialist period. We have worked hands drills, taking handoffs, terminology, tackling, techniques, etc etc. Everyday we spend 8 minutes or so learning something. If the coaches believe the kids sort of got it, we may move on to another skill the next day. Otherwise, we will do it a second day. It's working. It's not curriculum but it is helpful.
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