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Post by panthersoc on Oct 26, 2019 16:56:22 GMT -6
What does your states high school regular season schedule and playoff structure look like?
In MN its very strange IMHO.
8 regular season games but the last gamenis played on a Wednesday. Then following Tuesday is first playoff game with 2nd round that Saturday.
So I guess the last 2 regular season games and first 2 rounds of playoffs are played in 16 days or 4 games in 16 days.
Everyone here makes the playoffs and weather is a factor being its the northland.
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Post by agap on Oct 26, 2019 23:32:29 GMT -6
I used to think it was strange in Minnesota, but after hearing what other states do, I've changed my mind recently.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 27, 2019 7:33:30 GMT -6
Louisiana is pretty straightforward regarding schedule- 10 game schedule, 5 weeks of playoffs. Where it gets a little wonky is now the private schools have been splits. The top 32 teams based on a power point formula are seeded into a 5 week bracket, however in some of the private divisions there aren't 32 teams so a bye week or multiple bye weeks are in their bracket. That is pretty crappy. Also, with the separation, some of the bottom of the public bracket includes teams that probably don't belong in a playoff scenario.
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Post by blb on Oct 27, 2019 7:49:28 GMT -6
Michigan has nine-week regular season, five weeks of playoffs with one round a week.
Championship games are played Thanksgiving weekend at Ford Field (home of the Lions).
There are ~530 11-player teams, 256 make the postseason in eight divisions.
Also ~75 eight-player teams with 32 making playoffs (two divisions).
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 27, 2019 7:52:07 GMT -6
Everyone here makes the playoffs That may be my biggest pet peeve about sports: They've changed the concept of what playoffs are for.
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 28, 2019 8:31:19 GMT -6
Michigan has nine-week regular season, five weeks of playoffs with one round a week.
Championship games are played Thanksgiving weekend at Ford Field (home of the Lions).
There are ~530 11-player teams, 256 make the postseason in eight divisions.
Also ~75 eight-player teams with 32 making playoffs (two divisions). So they play 9 weeks (presumably 9 games) to eliminate just half the teams, and then in just 5 games they decide between the remaining half? Am I the only one who finds this a silly emphasis?
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Post by coachcb on Oct 28, 2019 8:41:22 GMT -6
It depends on the classification around here. In ours, it's an 8-game regular season schedule with the top four teams from each division going to the playoffs. The divisions differ in size and competition level to the playoff picture can be interesting. The top team in our division is certainly a well coached, tough squad but they're going to have their handful with the #4 team from the other division they're playing this week.
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Post by mdunham on Oct 28, 2019 9:38:30 GMT -6
Massachusetts: 1. Play 7 regular season (8 out central/west)
2. -playoffs - win you keep playing, losers go to nonplayoff pool. 8 divisions, 4 sections (west and central don't compete in all 8 divisions), 8 teams make it per section (too many if you ask me too many below .500 make it). Total 281 teams in state 168 qualify (59.7%). 36 teams right now with losing record (could max at 38). Basically over 20% of playoff qualifiers win less than half their games... -nonplayoff Teams - first week all non playoff teams by section in a pool, they try to get you a close competitive game. You can prearrange beforehand as well. Most part it works out ok but if you don’t make an arrangement there’s a chance to get screwed. Last year we made playoffs but we were decimated by injuries in middle of season so our record said one thing but the team wasn’t reflectors that time. As a result we got scheduled teams 2 divisions higher who had worse record but far better teams/SOS/depth and we got beat up. Second week (week 9) After first week of playoffs the playoff losers get added to pool, and the schedule gets made again. Central/West playoffs start. Third week (week 10) same thing playoff losers get added. Some divisions there’s a game after this and before Thanksgiving for regional title games (North vs South, Centra vs West). If it’s a division with less geography (some only have North and South), then there’s a bye In total you’re guaranteed at least 2-3 games playoffs or non playoffs.
3. Thanksgiving (game 11). 4. Following weekend is state title games.
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Post by mdunham on Oct 28, 2019 9:56:00 GMT -6
Just to add Massachusetts was the state last year with a playoff team who was 0-7 in regular season. But their power rating was boosted because of SOS (everyone they played was at least 4-3/5-2). Got in over teams who won games...
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Post by crock1615 on Oct 28, 2019 10:07:47 GMT -6
in Tennessee there are two divisions. Division 1 is for public schools and has 6 classes. Division 2 is for private schools and has 3 classes.
In division 1 each class is broken into 8 regions. The top four in each region make the playoffs and are paired with the neighboring region for the playoffs. (1 vs 4, 2 vs 3, etc.) The teams that come out of these brackets will play in the semis and those winners play in the championship.
In division 2 each class is broken down into 2 regions, east and west. The top 6 from each side make the playoffs and are seeded in one 12 team bracket.
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Post by hawksrule on Oct 28, 2019 19:46:04 GMT -6
In Iowa there are 5 classes of 11 man and then 1 class of 8 man. The biggest class has 42 teams, the next 3 classes have 54 teams and however many teams are left play in the smallest classification which was about 60 this year. The 8 man class had 62 teams this year.
We play a 9 week regular season followed by a 4 week playoff. Each class has a 16 team playoff bracket.
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Post by canesfan on Oct 28, 2019 21:07:13 GMT -6
KY is a 10 game regular season plus one bye week.
6 classes.
4-6 teams per district. Top 4 make the playoffs. 8 total districts for a playoff of 32 teams per class.
Most teams make the playoffs.
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Post by fantom on Oct 29, 2019 6:04:05 GMT -6
Virginia
11 weeks to play 10 regular season games. 6 classifications divided strictly by enrollment. Each classification is divided into 4 regions, as geographically as possible. 5 games to win a championship, one game a week. Championship game is around the second weekend in December.
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Post by realdawg on Oct 29, 2019 11:00:48 GMT -6
In N.C. 12 weeks to play 11 games. 5 rounds of playoffs. With basically 8 playoff divisions.
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 29, 2019 11:37:34 GMT -6
Ohio 7 divisions (700+ teams in the state) 10 game regular season Each division is split in to 4 regions, top 8 from each region make the playoffs Top 8 are determined by Harbins ratings Playoffs culminate 5 games later w the state title
I’ve been in other states and have seen other systems, I prefer Ohio’s model.
Most common criticisms are teams that play real hard schedules not getting in bc they lost too many games or teams that play real bad schedules not getting in with 8-2/9-1 type records but I’ll take the trade off. The other criticism is one region being significantly stronger than another, sometimes the best teams are stuck in the same region...hard to fix unless you just take the top32 in each division (which im a proponent of). The state doesn’t do that though because some complain about travel.
I like the set up for a lot of reasons including 1-it encourages not sandbagging your out of conference w complete cupcakes (but does make it hard for some top teams to find games), 2-the best team usually winds up winning, and 3-making the playoffs still actually mean something.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 29, 2019 15:12:05 GMT -6
Ohio 7 divisions (700+ teams in the state) 10 game regular season Each division is split in to 4 regions, top 8 from each region make the playoffs Top 8 are determined by Harbins ratings Playoffs culminate 5 games later w the state title I’ve been in other states and have seen other systems, I prefer Ohio’s model. Most common criticisms are teams that play real hard schedules not getting in bc they lost too many games or teams that play real bad schedules not getting in with 8-2/9-1 type records but I’ll take the trade off. The other criticism is one region being significantly stronger than another, sometimes the best teams are stuck in the same region...hard to fix unless you just take the top32 in each division (which im a proponent of). The state doesn’t do that though because some complain about travel. I like the set up for a lot of reasons including 1-it encourages not sandbagging your out of conference w complete cupcakes (but does make it hard for some top teams to find games), 2-the best team usually winds up winning, and 3-making the playoffs still actually mean something. With the mess in PA playoffs now I can not express how envious I am of our neighbors in Ohio and how strong of a state association and well run playoffs you have.
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Post by dytmook on Oct 30, 2019 5:52:46 GMT -6
Ohio 7 divisions (700+ teams in the state) 10 game regular season Each division is split in to 4 regions, top 8 from each region make the playoffs Top 8 are determined by Harbins ratings Playoffs culminate 5 games later w the state title I’ve been in other states and have seen other systems, I prefer Ohio’s model. Most common criticisms are teams that play real hard schedules not getting in bc they lost too many games or teams that play real bad schedules not getting in with 8-2/9-1 type records but I’ll take the trade off. The other criticism is one region being significantly stronger than another, sometimes the best teams are stuck in the same region...hard to fix unless you just take the top32 in each division (which im a proponent of). The state doesn’t do that though because some complain about travel. I like the set up for a lot of reasons including 1-it encourages not sandbagging your out of conference w complete cupcakes (but does make it hard for some top teams to find games), 2-the best team usually winds up winning, and 3-making the playoffs still actually mean something. Yes, my complaints about Ohio are minor when I read some of these other scenarios. In Ohio, if you play your games and go 7-3 you have a pretty good shot of going to the playoffs. There are some outliers but for the most part it's solid.
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Post by ahall005 on Oct 30, 2019 8:47:06 GMT -6
I only have experience with Ohio but I prefer it to any other play off method I have read or heard about... I think there is something very exciting about trying to figure Harbin Points at the end of the season when you are cutting it close.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 30, 2019 18:54:47 GMT -6
Ohio 7 divisions (700+ teams in the state) 10 game regular season Each division is split in to 4 regions, top 8 from each region make the playoffs Top 8 are determined by Harbins ratings Playoffs culminate 5 games later w the state title I’ve been in other states and have seen other systems, I prefer Ohio’s model. Most common criticisms are teams that play real hard schedules not getting in bc they lost too many games or teams that play real bad schedules not getting in with 8-2/9-1 type records but I’ll take the trade off. The other criticism is one region being significantly stronger than another, sometimes the best teams are stuck in the same region...hard to fix unless you just take the top32 in each division (which im a proponent of). The state doesn’t do that though because some complain about travel. I like the set up for a lot of reasons including 1-it encourages not sandbagging your out of conference w complete cupcakes (but does make it hard for some top teams to find games), 2-the best team usually winds up winning, and 3-making the playoffs still actually mean something. Just curious about the geography. If they didn't do the regions, how long would most of the travel be?
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Post by wingtol on Oct 30, 2019 19:11:03 GMT -6
Ohio 7 divisions (700+ teams in the state) 10 game regular season Each division is split in to 4 regions, top 8 from each region make the playoffs Top 8 are determined by Harbins ratings Playoffs culminate 5 games later w the state title I’ve been in other states and have seen other systems, I prefer Ohio’s model. Most common criticisms are teams that play real hard schedules not getting in bc they lost too many games or teams that play real bad schedules not getting in with 8-2/9-1 type records but I’ll take the trade off. The other criticism is one region being significantly stronger than another, sometimes the best teams are stuck in the same region...hard to fix unless you just take the top32 in each division (which im a proponent of). The state doesn’t do that though because some complain about travel. I like the set up for a lot of reasons including 1-it encourages not sandbagging your out of conference w complete cupcakes (but does make it hard for some top teams to find games), 2-the best team usually winds up winning, and 3-making the playoffs still actually mean something. Just curious about the geography. If they didn't do the regions, how long would most of the travel be? I’m guessing your longer trips would be 4 maybe 5 hours if you take for example Cleveland to Cincy. But the weird thing is they play all their state title games in Canton which is on the East side of the state and not centrally located, but I guess you don’t worry about travel if your playing for a title.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 30, 2019 19:19:23 GMT -6
Just curious about the geography. If they didn't do the regions, how long would most of the travel be? I’m guessing your longer trips would be 4 maybe 5 hours if you take for example Cleveland to Cincy. But the weird thing is they play all their state title games in Canton which is on the East side of the state and not centrally located, but I guess you don’t worry about travel if your playing for a title. Louisiana is similar... up until this year, the championships have been in the Superdome since the 1980s. Kind of stinks for Northern Louisiana teams (many dominant powerhouses) having to travel every year
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Post by paulsonj72 on Nov 2, 2019 0:58:17 GMT -6
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smcauliffe54
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Post by smcauliffe54 on Nov 2, 2019 8:54:35 GMT -6
Wisconsin.
9 weeks regular season. 5 game post season. State is divided into conferences of 6 7 8 9 teams (next year all 8 or 9 team conferences)
7 divisions 11 man 224 teams get in 32 teams per division. 1 division 8 man
Get into playoffs based on conference wins. This year i believe only a couple teams with a 3-4 conference record made playoffs. Private and public all together.
Play at camp Randall Thursday Friday before thanksgiving.
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Post by bobgoodman on Nov 2, 2019 11:01:15 GMT -6
Wisconsin. 9 weeks regular season. 5 game post season. State is divided into conferences of 6 7 8 9 teams (next year all 8 or 9 team conferences) 7 divisions 11 man 224 teams get in 32 teams per division. 1 division 8 man Get into playoffs based on conference wins. This year i believe only a couple teams with a 3-4 conference record made playoffs. Private and public all together. Play at camp Randall Thursday Friday before thanksgiving. Do they play full round robin in the conferences? If so, what need is there to have any team in the playoffs who wasn't conference champion?
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Post by fantom on Nov 2, 2019 11:15:05 GMT -6
Wisconsin. 9 weeks regular season. 5 game post season. State is divided into conferences of 6 7 8 9 teams (next year all 8 or 9 team conferences) 7 divisions 11 man 224 teams get in 32 teams per division. 1 division 8 man Get into playoffs based on conference wins. This year i believe only a couple teams with a 3-4 conference record made playoffs. Private and public all together. Play at camp Randall Thursday Friday before thanksgiving. Do they play full round robin in the conferences? If so, what need is there to have any team in the playoffs who wasn't conference champion? Disparity in the strength of conferences.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 2, 2019 14:03:02 GMT -6
It amazes me SD has 7 classes for football
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smcauliffe54
Sophomore Member
Wisconsin 2018 Division 4 State Champions 14-0
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Post by smcauliffe54 on Nov 2, 2019 15:17:02 GMT -6
Do they play full round robin in the conferences? If so, what need is there to have any team in the playoffs who wasn't conference champion? Disparity in the strength of conferences. yeah strength of conferences is a reason to have more than just conference champions in playoffs. had 2 teams from same conference that won a state title last year in div 1 and 3. had us and another team in our conference last year make the state title game in division 4 and 6. we won they didnt.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 2, 2019 15:24:30 GMT -6
Just saw that Northwood OH went 10-0 and won't make the playoffs, can anyone shed some light on the situation?
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 2, 2019 15:32:39 GMT -6
Disparity in the strength of conferences. yeah strength of conferences is a reason to have more than just conference champions in playoffs. had 2 teams from same conference that won a state title last year in div 1 and 3. had us and another team in our conference last year make the state title game in division 4 and 6. we won they didnt. I think the image of conference that bobgoodman had is different than this. I know the concept of conference as you seem to be using (forced league play games) with different enrollments (which I am assuming you are insinuating, by mentioning div 1 and 3) is very different than what I am used to in Louisiana. Our "conferences" so to speak (forced league games) are all grouped by similar enrollments.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 2, 2019 15:50:59 GMT -6
Just saw that Northwood OH went 10-0 and won't make the playoffs, can anyone shed some light on the situation? According to their twitter a team canceled and that did something with the points...
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