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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 12:19:00 GMT -6
It is the culture he wants. Guys who take of their buisness, and want to get better, coaches players alike. He just runs them off because its to much for em. Its his program. It what he wants. The problem is there are lots of holes in practice of this way of doing things. Bottom line is you cannot fake it. Ive seen guys try, by week 3, there done. There looking for next job. Our dc will be out the door if anything presents as better. Jv is practically in mutiny cause "its not their job." Lber has a hc job waiting him when daddy says its ok. And now wants to beca family man. There is no rah rah job here. Our d line is our hype guy, but he wants out. And my hc? Says " we'll win without you. So he would keep all of the guys from OP around and just let it sort itself out? thats what he did when he got here.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 24, 2019 12:41:18 GMT -6
So he would keep all of the guys from OP around and just let it sort itself out? thats what he did when he got here. Makes sense...do the job or not it’s up to you. It won’t be easy but you will be in control of your own fate.
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Post by blb on Oct 24, 2019 12:42:01 GMT -6
I realize things are different from state to state, situation to situation, so take this for what it's worth.
I was fortunate enough to be hired as HFC at six schools.
If I had fired the entire staff I inherited - most of whom were faculty at each stop - I would have been a very lonely coach.
And likely lost some administrative support.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 12:44:58 GMT -6
thats what he did when he got here. Makes sense...do the job or not it’s up to you. It won’t be easy but you will be in control of your own fate. its hard and its fun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 12:54:17 GMT -6
thats what he did when he got here. Makes sense...do the job or not it’s up to you. It won’t be easy but you will be in control of your own fate. far better, i was like the op before. Fire the staff, bring in your own guys. Didnt take long to realize that is foolish. Just easier to make job hard, most dont want hard. Most xta $$$ , t shirt and war stories. That doesnt happen here. If you wait till sat. its to much. or you are fine with it but there is no in between. On top of all the other stuff. You cannot just hang on.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Oct 24, 2019 12:58:00 GMT -6
Can’t imagine how our staff would get replaced if the HC fired everyone on the staff. He’d be coaching with some dads.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 24, 2019 14:13:32 GMT -6
Makes sense...do the job or not it’s up to you. It won’t be easy but you will be in control of your own fate. far better, i was like the op before. Fire the staff, bring in your own guys. Didnt take long to realize that is foolish. Just easier to make job hard, most dont want hard. Most xta $$$ , t shirt and war stories. That doesnt happen here. If you wait till sat. its to much. or you are fine with it but there is no in between. On top of all the other stuff. You cannot just hang on. I don’t know that the other way is foolish. I just at first thought you meant be a dickk yo hat then to quit and I wasn’t on board with that idea.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 24, 2019 14:48:54 GMT -6
Honestly, it's difficult to find guys that are WILLING to take on a high school football season much less make sure your staff is filled with quality coaches. Those HC's that do are lucky...
When I took over this program, I brought back everyone but ONE guy. And, there was NO WAY I could bring back that guy for good reasons. He's been our biggest critic outside of the program and he would've been the same way within it.
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Post by newhope on Oct 25, 2019 8:23:30 GMT -6
You say they can’t coach “here” anymore. I take that to mean you coach in this program or are associated with it in some way? Have you been approached by admin during the season and offered the job once the deed is done and the current coach is fired? Or is this strictly daydreaming/theoretical? If you coach in this program, are you the only one fortunate enough to escape the aforementioned toxic mindset? If you are “here” and have been tapped as the prospective replacement by admin, and you have good relationships / friends on staff or with the HC, it might be a good idea to let them know so you don’t appear to be like so many these days who openly proclaim their loyalty while maneuvering like a spineless s$&t for a HC job. If I were you and this is not just theoretical, I’d make sure I’d do what it took to preserve honor and relationships with guys with which I have coached. If I misunderstood the context of your posts and you’re not involved in the program of which you speak, say... as junior high HC, for example, Then please disregard my comments. If you are on staff in some capacity, I’d have a very frank conversation with the head man lest some other Toxic minded, no good coach on that staff stumbles across this thread and assumes the worst. I’m a WR coach and my coach just went through this in his first year, looking back and getting opinions for how to handle another situation like this in the future. So your HC should have fired you when he took the job? Or did I miss something?
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 26, 2019 7:46:48 GMT -6
Makes sense...do the job or not it’s up to you. It won’t be easy but you will be in control of your own fate. far better, i was like the op before. Fire the staff, bring in your own guys. Didnt take long to realize that is foolish. Just easier to make job hard, most dont want hard. Most xta $$$ , t shirt and war stories. That doesnt happen here. If you wait till sat. its to much. or you are fine with it but there is no in between. On top of all the other stuff. You cannot just hang on. But who was brought in? Chcox? Grad17? 1862?
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Post by freezeoption on Oct 26, 2019 15:19:15 GMT -6
I've done the grind. You may get some young guys to deal with that chit. If can get guys that's great. I actually did that for a year for free with seven kids of my own six adopted. I love football but my adopted kids have and still created a lot of problems at home. Around here you wouldn't keep coaches that long. We got schools begging people to be teachers cause there isn't enough finding coaches even harder.
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Post by 60zgo on Oct 26, 2019 23:04:59 GMT -6
There's a pretty big teacher shortage in this state. Not too many places you could can the whole staff and have a way to replace them. I don't think that's the best way to approach it anyway. One of your primary jobs as a HC at the HS level is to coach the coaches.
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Post by mc140 on Oct 27, 2019 22:40:41 GMT -6
I disagree again. If you just pisss them off to the point of quitting, I think they are going to be a lot more adamant in their disdain for you and the spread of their dissatisfaction. Even if you are right that they would part more peacefully, it would just feel dirty. I don't like to intentionally be a jerk to people. Seems like a weird means to accomplish the end goal. Can you give an example of how you would go about this? I just can't get my head wrapped around how it would be beneficial. who said anything about pissing them off. Example? 6 am coaches Meeting. Mon through thursday. Noon sat coaches meeting for game plan. Hc is going home at 6. If it not done, we will come back and complete on sunday. at 2 and stay till it done. That will have 25 page scouting report done before we go home sunday. We are also going to have personnel sheet done, laundry done. Locker room will be de stinked. Your presence in the weight room is a requirement. During summer you have to be there for 3 of 4. You are responsible for your kids meeting requirement in weight room and conditioning. If they do not you are responsible for make ups. Installs before practice. You lead it. So you will WORK monday through sunday, mostly because you are lazy, unprepared, undisciplined human being, during season. During a season, you will probably leave the house at 530 am, and pending responsibilty, not home till 630-7 ish. Oh then hc is constantly delivering reminders about grade checks, missed or late practices, weight rm attendence.
Well I know this isn't a public school in Illinois. Everyone would quit coaching for you and keep their well paying public school teaching job and coach elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 10:30:59 GMT -6
who said anything about pissing them off. Example? 6 am coaches Meeting. Mon through thursday. Noon sat coaches meeting for game plan. Hc is going home at 6. If it not done, we will come back and complete on sunday. at 2 and stay till it done. That will have 25 page scouting report done before we go home sunday. We are also going to have personnel sheet done, laundry done. Locker room will be de stinked. Your presence in the weight room is a requirement. During summer you have to be there for 3 of 4. You are responsible for your kids meeting requirement in weight room and conditioning. If they do not you are responsible for make ups. Installs before practice. You lead it. So you will WORK monday through sunday, mostly because you are lazy, unprepared, undisciplined human being, during season. During a season, you will probably leave the house at 530 am, and pending responsibilty, not home till 630-7 ish. Oh then hc is constantly delivering reminders about grade checks, missed or late practices, weight rm attendence.
Well I know this isn't a public school in Illinois. Everyone would quit coaching for you and keep their well paying public school teaching job and coach elsewhere.
dont coach for me. And most do quit
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Post by spillnkill on Oct 28, 2019 10:38:08 GMT -6
Well I know this isn't a public school in Illinois. Everyone would quit coaching for you and keep their well paying public school teaching job and coach elsewhere.
dont coach for me. And most do quit I’ll say a prayer for you and hope you find balance one day in your life.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 28, 2019 10:42:13 GMT -6
I'm just amazed that you can find enough good coaches to replace an entire staff. Surprisingly, it can be difficult in different areas of the country. What is really hard is not finding willing and able coaches...it's finding one with NO criminal history. Past DUI, fighting, minor drug charges...can't coach here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 15:30:08 GMT -6
dont coach for me. And most do quit I’ll say a prayer for you and hope you find balance one day in your life. I am doing exactly what i want to do. I enjoy it.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 28, 2019 19:27:53 GMT -6
Well I know this isn't a public school in Illinois. Everyone would quit coaching for you and keep their well paying public school teaching job and coach elsewhere.
dont coach for me. And most do quit I gotta do it....how successful are you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 19:51:04 GMT -6
dont coach for me. And most do quit I gotta do it....how successful are you? Not a hc. Just a ditch digger ( not an atom splitter) . Work hard get my work done, in classroom and on field.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 19:57:28 GMT -6
dont coach for me. And most do quit I gotta do it....how successful are you? And we are not going to win our conference or state. Not going to happen. My boss is not without fault or contradiction.. Isnt paradise. He is often taking 3-4-5 options for coaches, coordinators. I was not his 1-2-3 option and that is being kind i suspect.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 28, 2019 20:05:18 GMT -6
I gotta do it....how successful are you? And we are not going to win our conference or state. Not going to happen. My boss is not without fault or contradiction.. Isnt paradise. He is often taking 3-4-5 options for coaches, coordinators. I was not his 1-2-3 option and that is being kind i suspect. Were those first 3 picks Grad17, chcox, or 1862?
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