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Post by morris on Oct 19, 2019 18:26:40 GMT -6
How many schools play football?
How many different divisions or classifications do you have?
How many teams a year in all classifications have a legit shot at a title?
How many of those teams that have a legit shot have a pretty legit shot most years?
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 19, 2019 18:46:14 GMT -6
How many schools play football? How many different divisions or classifications do you have? How many teams a year in all classifications have a legit shot at a title? How many of those teams that have a legit shot have a pretty legit shot most years? Louisiana... Pre Public / Private (technically, select/non select, as a few public schools are classified as select) 5 classes (went from 4 classes to 5 in about 1993) Probably about 300 schools--around 60 in each class I would say about the same 3-5 teams have legit shots at a title most years in all classes. Since the split (maybe 4 years ago) everything is the same, except 9 classes. Probably about 3-4 each year in each class. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 19:00:03 GMT -6
How many schools play football? How many different divisions or classifications do you have? How many teams a year in all classifications have a legit shot at a title? How many of those teams that have a legit shot have a pretty legit shot most years? in our classification maybe 6 or 7 annually. And probably 3 or 4 in any given year. |
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Post by CS on Oct 20, 2019 6:53:10 GMT -6
How many schools play football? How many different divisions or classifications do you have? How many teams a year in all classifications have a legit shot at a title? How many of those teams that have a legit shot have a pretty legit shot most years? Not sure but a lot We have 7 classifications. The top 3 have 4 conferences Depends on the year. There is always a favorite. I would say that roughly 4-6 have a legit shot each year in each classification |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 20, 2019 7:01:49 GMT -6
How many schools play football? How many different divisions or classifications do you have? How many teams a year in all classifications have a legit shot at a title? How many of those teams that have a legit shot have a pretty legit shot most years? In Louisiana, since 1921 there have been approximately 380 state football titles won. 141 different schools have at won atleast one. I would be somewhat interested (but probably not interested enough for myself to count) to see if the variance in champs is statistically significant since we have entered the #grind era / #blessedtoreceive /#takingmytalents era |
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Post by wingtol on Oct 20, 2019 11:13:26 GMT -6
About 600.
6 classes, went from 4 to 6 four years ago. Roughly 100 teams a class, used to be 150. Momentum building to go back to 4 from lots of places.
Probably 5-6 have a shot. Usually the same group of schools every year who end up in title games. Sometimes a team catches lighting in a bottle and makes a run but it’s mainly the usual suspects, some have faded over time but get replaced by the new power for awhile.
This is In PA.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 20, 2019 12:15:09 GMT -6
About 600. 6 classes, went from 4 to 6 four years ago. Roughly 100 teams a class, used to be 150. Momentum building to go back to 4 from lots of places. Probably 5-6 have a shot. Usually the same group of schools every year who end up in title games. Sometimes a team catches lighting in a bottle and makes a run but it’s mainly the usual suspects, some have faded over time but get replaced by the new power for awhile. This is In PA. Would be interested to hear if you think any of that momentum to go back to 4 will gain traction? Now with 6 classes, that is more playoff $$ presumably being funneled to your state organization and more championships. Tough to put that back in the bottle. |
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Post by wingtol on Oct 20, 2019 14:03:23 GMT -6
About 600. 6 classes, went from 4 to 6 four years ago. Roughly 100 teams a class, used to be 150. Momentum building to go back to 4 from lots of places. Probably 5-6 have a shot. Usually the same group of schools every year who end up in title games. Sometimes a team catches lighting in a bottle and makes a run but it’s mainly the usual suspects, some have faded over time but get replaced by the new power for awhile. This is In PA. Would be interested to hear if you think any of that momentum to go back to 4 will gain traction? Now with 6 classes, that is more playoff $$ presumably being funneled to your state organization and more championships. Tough to put that back in the bottle. Actually the attendance and money are probably the same if not less now with six classes compared to four. Our state playoffs draw some crowds but not as much as they should or people might think. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 20, 2019 14:41:09 GMT -6
Would be interested to hear if you think any of that momentum to go back to 4 will gain traction? Now with 6 classes, that is more playoff $$ presumably being funneled to your state organization and more championships. Tough to put that back in the bottle. Actually the attendance and money are probably the same if not less now with six classes compared to four. Our state playoffs draw some crowds but not as much as they should or people might think. The Louisiana association takes 10% from the gate for the playoff games, so having 9 classes creates a lot more games. The championship event has been lackluster though since the split of private and public schools. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Oct 20, 2019 18:52:33 GMT -6
In our highest classification theres only about 35-40 teams, but only one has a chance at winning state. They've won 10 in a row and haven't had a legitimately close playoff game in those 10 years.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 20, 2019 18:55:21 GMT -6
In our highest classification theres only about 35-40 teams, but only one has a chance at winning state. They've won 10 in a row and haven't had a legitimately close playoff game in those 10 years. Sounds wonderful /sarcasm |
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Post by macdiiddy on Oct 21, 2019 18:15:00 GMT -6
Indiana
320 schools
6 Classifications
Largest classification are schools with 1475 students to 5286
Every school makes the playoffs there are no qualifications.
There are a few powerhouses but with the addition of "Success Factor", if you accrue enough points over two years, you move up a classification. This has been a pretty good compromise as it is fair to both parochial and public schools. Had a 4A private school once make it all the way up to 6A and still be competitive. They did not accrue enough points, went back down to 4A and are working their way back up the ladder.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Oct 21, 2019 18:29:23 GMT -6
In our highest classification theres only about 35-40 teams, but only one has a chance at winning state. They've won 10 in a row and haven't had a legitimately close playoff game in those 10 years. Sounds wonderful /sarcasm It's great haha. We've had the good fortune of having some pretty good seasons and seeing them in either the semi finals or finals a few of those years. And the misfortune of getting our teeth kicked in repeatedly by them. They are a national brand and we are...not. |
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Post by veerwego on Oct 22, 2019 7:09:36 GMT -6
Over the last few years in SC, there have been "dynasties" in most of our classifications. Teams winning multiple championships in a row, maybe being broken up by another team here or there. In our highest classification, 5A, Dutch Fork is almost certainly going to win there 4th in a row this year. Our state high school league, gave up policing transfers some time ago and now when you start winning and the other schools in the area are not able to compete, you get a whole lot better because kids start coming in from the surrounding schools.
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Post by fadepattern on Oct 22, 2019 11:08:23 GMT -6
Indiana 320 schools 6 Classifications Largest classification are schools with 1475 students to 5286 Every school makes the playoffs there are no qualifications. There are a few powerhouses but with the addition of "Success Factor", if you accrue enough points over two years, you move up a classification. This has been a pretty good compromise as it is fair to both parochial and public schools. Had a 4A private school once make it all the way up to 6A and still be competitive. They did not accrue enough points, went back down to 4A and are working their way back up the ladder. Would you say this plan had been viewed favorably by most people? |
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Post by macdiiddy on Oct 23, 2019 11:09:59 GMT -6
Indiana 320 schools 6 Classifications Largest classification are schools with 1475 students to 5286 Every school makes the playoffs there are no qualifications. There are a few powerhouses but with the addition of "Success Factor", if you accrue enough points over two years, you move up a classification. This has been a pretty good compromise as it is fair to both parochial and public schools. Had a 4A private school once make it all the way up to 6A and still be competitive. They did not accrue enough points, went back down to 4A and are working their way back up the ladder. Would you say this plan had been viewed favorably by most people? I would say so. The bad part of this is when you have a small school 1A or 2A that had one really good class, so they went down to state as juniors and seniors, then graduated. Now they are back to a rebuilding/middling program and are bumped up a classification for two years. So that has happened. But I see it as an overall good and makes it a blanket, fair rule without bringing in the Public vs. Private conversation. |
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Post by pvogel on Oct 23, 2019 11:19:15 GMT -6
Would you say this plan had been viewed favorably by most people? I would say so. The bad part of this is when you have a small school 1A or 2A that had one really good class, so they went down to state as juniors and seniors, then graduated. Now they are back to a rebuilding/middling program and are bumped up a classification for two years. So that has happened. But I see it as an overall good and makes it a blanket, fair rule without bringing in the Public vs. Private conversation. I hate that re-classification nonsense. It KILLS small schools. I have worked at a smaller school(900) that won State, graduated all of our Seniors and got bumped up to a classification where the next SMALLEST team had 1500. Its ludicrous. California has "state championships" of schools with 700 kids playing schools with 2400... because those big schools keep moving down. Policy is always going to favor the big populations, but this policy is just awful. I currently work at a private school and believe that a public/non-public split in classification is fair and appropriate. Split public and non-public and then divide by size. Easiest and least controversial way to handle it. |
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Post by macdiiddy on Oct 23, 2019 13:13:31 GMT -6
I would say so. The bad part of this is when you have a small school 1A or 2A that had one really good class, so they went down to state as juniors and seniors, then graduated. Now they are back to a rebuilding/middling program and are bumped up a classification for two years. So that has happened. But I see it as an overall good and makes it a blanket, fair rule without bringing in the Public vs. Private conversation. I hate that re-classification nonsense. It KILLS small schools. I have worked at a smaller school(900) that won State, graduated all of our Seniors and got bumped up to a classification where the next SMALLEST team had 1500. Its ludicrous. California has "state championships" of schools with 700 kids playing schools with 2400... because those big schools keep moving down. Policy is always going to favor the big populations, but this policy is just awful. I currently work at a private school and believe that a public/non-public split in classification is fair and appropriate. Split public and non-public and then divide by size. Easiest and least controversial way to handle it. There is no deregulation in Indiana. So you're never going to have a bad school with 3000 move down. Only good schools move up. And if they can't cut it. They'll move back down in 2 years. When looking at other states like Illinois next to us, that does split up private and public. You end up having eight or nine state champions which just seems ridiculous to me. With that being said I'm sure people think the all-in system in Indiana is ridiculous too. No system is perfect. And I am coaching at a private school. But I think success factor has been a good thing for our state. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 23, 2019 18:03:33 GMT -6
I hate that re-classification nonsense. It KILLS small schools. I have worked at a smaller school(900) that won State, graduated all of our Seniors and got bumped up to a classification where the next SMALLEST team had 1500. Its ludicrous. California has "state championships" of schools with 700 kids playing schools with 2400... because those big schools keep moving down. Policy is always going to favor the big populations, but this policy is just awful. I currently work at a private school and believe that a public/non-public split in classification is fair and appropriate. Split public and non-public and then divide by size. Easiest and least controversial way to handle it. There is no deregulation in Indiana. So you're never going to have a bad school with 3000 move down. Only good schools move up. And if they can't cut it. They'll move back down in 2 years. When looking at other states like Illinois next to us, that does split up private and public. You end up having eight or nine state champions which just seems ridiculous to me. With that being said I'm sure people think the all-in system in Indiana is ridiculous too. No system is perfect. And I am coaching at a private school. But I think success factor has been a good thing for our state. I am sure there are always "what about" scenarios, but my biggest issue is that some schools "do it right" and might be the best team of say 400-500 students in the state for several years but not the best team of say 800-900 students. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 28, 2019 4:42:53 GMT -6
I hate that re-classification nonsense. It KILLS small schools. I have worked at a smaller school(900) that won State, graduated all of our Seniors and got bumped up to a classification where the next SMALLEST team had 1500. Its ludicrous. California has "state championships" of schools with 700 kids playing schools with 2400... because those big schools keep moving down. Policy is always going to favor the big populations, but this policy is just awful. I currently work at a private school and believe that a public/non-public split in classification is fair and appropriate. Split public and non-public and then divide by size. Easiest and least controversial way to handle it. There is no deregulation in Indiana. So you're never going to have a bad school with 3000 move down. Only good schools move up. And if they can't cut it. They'll move back down in 2 years. When looking at other states like Illinois next to us, that does split up private and public. You end up having eight or nine state champions which just seems ridiculous to me. With that being said I'm sure people think the all-in system in Indiana is ridiculous too. No system is perfect. And I am coaching at a private school. But I think success factor has been a good thing for our state. Just to clarify, IL does have 8 classes--I agree that seems like a lot--but does not split up public and private. They do give private schools a multiplier. |
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Post by 60zgo on Oct 28, 2019 6:28:00 GMT -6
There is no deregulation in Indiana. So you're never going to have a bad school with 3000 move down. Only good schools move up. And if they can't cut it. They'll move back down in 2 years. When looking at other states like Illinois next to us, that does split up private and public. You end up having eight or nine state champions which just seems ridiculous to me. With that being said I'm sure people think the all-in system in Indiana is ridiculous too. No system is perfect. And I am coaching at a private school. But I think success factor has been a good thing for our state. I am sure there are always "what about" scenarios, but my biggest issue is that some schools "do it right" and might be the best team of say 400-500 students in the state for several years but not the best team of say 800-900 students. Louisiana has so many schools that are willing to bend/break rules, or circumnavigate the intent of the handbook it kinda throws off who the top teams are. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Nov 8, 2019 14:25:44 GMT -6
16 class AAA- 500-2000-- 2 conferences-
10 class AA- 175-500-- 1 state wide- Same 2 teams in championship last 4 years, one moved up this year
32 class A 80-174--- crap shoot, really balanced
74 9 man 80 and below perennial good teams but been a number of years since multi-year state champs (I think)
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Post by hammer66 on Nov 20, 2019 7:26:16 GMT -6
Would be interested to hear if you think any of that momentum to go back to 4 will gain traction? Now with 6 classes, that is more playoff $$ presumably being funneled to your state organization and more championships. Tough to put that back in the bottle. Actually the attendance and money are probably the same if not less now with six classes compared to four. Our state playoffs draw some crowds but not as much as they should or people might think. I am in PA also. I would love to see it go back to 4 classifications as well. The current system is just not good. I would rather not make it because we went 8-2 and just didn't have enough points than make it at 3-7...4-6. Complete joke the teams that get in just to round out the field and send them out to get crushed by teams that are just flat out better than them. |
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Post by wingtol on Nov 20, 2019 20:11:26 GMT -6
Actually the attendance and money are probably the same if not less now with six classes compared to four. Our state playoffs draw some crowds but not as much as they should or people might think. I am in PA also. I would love to see it go back to 4 classifications as well. The current system is just not good. I would rather not make it because we went 8-2 and just didn't have enough points than make it at 3-7...4-6. Complete joke the teams that get in just to round out the field and send them out to get crushed by teams that are just flat out better than them. Not to mention some teams have byes this week before the state semis while some teams have games. Makes no sense. Not to mention with 4 when you won a title you were a bad ass, best out of like 150 teams in your class. Getting too watered down. |
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