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Post by carookie on Oct 15, 2019 12:02:03 GMT -6
It sounds like there is a lot of outrage culture here on both sides of the ledger, when I bet we are a lot more alike then we want to admit.
Its not as if one side is advocating for: 'no practice plans & no no work by coaches outside of games and practices'. While the other side is claiming 'all coaches should put in 30 hours a week in addition to games and practices'.
In fact, I would guess that everyone here is at least 80% similar i n what they do. But when we are all too busy insulting each other and trying to one-up its hard for us to get actual answers and look at specifics. But hey outrage reads more interesting and gets more attention.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 15, 2019 12:16:46 GMT -6
If your positions coaches look out of sorts on a weekly bases, it isn’t because they didn’t have a meeting or didn’t meet enough. It’s because they suck at coaching
How do you suggest you get them better at what they're doing then? Send them an email? Shoot them a text with a link to some videos? No, you meet for a little bit on Sundays and talk about what needs to get fixed and how to fix it. We're going to sit down, hash out what needs cleaned up and then plan practices for the next week accordingly. If one position is really struggling, we will talk about how we can fix it as a STAFF and not just say "Sorry Coach Boone, you suck."
I agree that there's no need to meet for exorbitant amounts of time over the weekend. But, it's not asking much for guys to meet for a couple of hours on Sunday, assuming they've acted like professionals and gotten their film assignments done. Each coach doesn't have more than two hours worth of work to handle between Friday and Sunday nights so just get it done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 12:31:22 GMT -6
We need to, and should to meet. Its not always about fb. How are we approaching johnies academics, who is crazy ted hanging with, how are going to deal with that kids parents. We do it in the mornings before class, while watching another terrible practice film, the actual filming. And sat. Morning. And for that alone, its worth two hours. The part that is tough is he will not back you. If enough heat is there, i am going under the bus. If i screw up, i am to fall on sword. Not just me, whole staff
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Post by zonedive60 on Oct 15, 2019 12:33:12 GMT -6
It sounds like there is a lot of outrage culture here on both sides of the ledger, when I bet we are a lot more alike then we want to admit. Its not as if one side is advocating for: 'no practice plans & no no work by coaches outside of games and practices'. While the other side is claiming 'all coaches should put in 30 hours a week in addition to games and practices'. In fact, I would guess that everyone here is at least 80% similar i n what they do. But when we are all too busy insulting each other and trying to one-up its hard for us to get actual answers and look at specifics. But hey outrage reads more interesting and gets more attention. I don’t need to meet on a weekend to know what we’re doing on offense as an OC I don’t need to meet to tell the position coaches what we’re going to work. I don’t need to meet to know the week schedule. I don’t need to meet to watch film. It’s all a waste of time. I can do my job effectively without it, and I don’t get paid for it.
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Post by zonedive60 on Oct 15, 2019 12:34:34 GMT -6
We need to, and should to meet. Its not always about fb. How are we approaching johnies academics, who is crazy ted hanging with, how are going to deal with that kids parents. We do it in the mornings before class, while watching another terrible practice film, the actual filming. And sat. Morning. And for that alone, its worth two hours. The part that is tough is he will not back you. If enough heat is there, i am going under the bus. If i screw up, i am to fall on sword. Not just me, whole staff And to ask people to devote such a large part of their life to that kind of situation is crazy.
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Post by fantom on Oct 15, 2019 12:35:17 GMT -6
This. This is it. A lot of guys use coaching as an out to not take care of business at home, and then wear it like a badge of honor about how much you work. I think dudes blatantly wait to leave the field house mid-week until kids are asleep and done eating. Then they leave early enough to avoid breakfast and morning whatever on Saturdays and get back during nap time. Why have kids? It's funny, my experience is exactly the opposite. The guys I've worked with that really didn't want to go home have been empty nesters. All of them aren't like that but it seemed like some guys didn't want to go home and do chores and talk with their wives.
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Post by fantom on Oct 15, 2019 12:38:24 GMT -6
We need to, and should to meet. Its not always about fb. How are we approaching johnies academics, who is crazy ted hanging with, how are going to deal with that kids parents. We do it in the mornings before class, while watching another terrible practice film, the actual filming. And sat. Morning. And for that alone, its worth two hours. The part that is tough is he will not back you. If enough heat is there, i am going under the bus. If i screw up, i am to fall on sword. Not just me, whole staff And to ask people to devote such a large part of their life to that kind of situation is crazy. Sounds like you're in a great situation. How long have you been there? What do you coach?
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Post by carookie on Oct 15, 2019 12:56:12 GMT -6
It sounds like there is a lot of outrage culture here on both sides of the ledger, when I bet we are a lot more alike then we want to admit. Its not as if one side is advocating for: 'no practice plans & no no work by coaches outside of games and practices'. While the other side is claiming 'all coaches should put in 30 hours a week in addition to games and practices'. In fact, I would guess that everyone here is at least 80% similar i n what they do. But when we are all too busy insulting each other and trying to one-up its hard for us to get actual answers and look at specifics. But hey outrage reads more interesting and gets more attention. I don’t need to meet on a weekend to know what we’re doing on offense as an OC I don’t need to meet to tell the position coaches what we’re going to work. I don’t need to meet to know the week schedule. I don’t need to meet to watch film. It’s all a waste of time. I can do my job effectively without it, and I don’t get paid for it. Interesting, do you feel that if you were a DC (and not an OC) you would need to communicate with your ACs about creating a scouting report or drawing up opponent plays that you have not yet seen. Or about potential game plan input- if they have any. Specifically: what calls you would like to make in given situations, how would you like to attack their pass pro, any need to double team or bracket, etc.? I wonder if being an OC makes it require less communication on your behalf?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 18:05:26 GMT -6
I love homecoming. We won 4 of them last year...
Because we were bad (2 and 8, 2 and 8, then my 1st year 3 and 7) the previous 3 years, everyone made us their homecoming game because who can't beat a disorganized inner city school. Then we got good (finished 10 and 2 last year). Then they decided to go a different direction with the coaching staff...
But I do love homecoming still!
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Post by CS on Oct 16, 2019 4:19:45 GMT -6
I don’t need to meet on a weekend to know what we’re doing on offense as an OC I don’t need to meet to tell the position coaches what we’re going to work. I don’t need to meet to know the week schedule. I don’t need to meet to watch film. It’s all a waste of time. I can do my job effectively without it, and I don’t get paid for it. Interesting, do you feel that if you were a DC (and not an OC) you would need to communicate with your ACs about creating a scouting report or drawing up opponent plays that you have not yet seen. Or about potential game plan input- if they have any. Specifically: what calls you would like to make in given situations, how would you like to attack their pass pro, any need to double team or bracket, etc.? I wonder if being an OC makes it require less communication on your behalf? This is a whole other thread but being an OC is infinitely easier that being a DC. I do agree some people spend too much time meeting but I think it makes it easier to meet at some point on the weekend just to get all your ducks in a row. Some people don’t work from home effectively and it benefits them and your staff to meet. How did this meeting thread sprout from a sweeping generalization?
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Post by drmackey on Oct 16, 2019 6:58:05 GMT -6
I hate homecoming. I also hate coaches that complain about how much time we work. You knew what you where getting into when you became a coach. If you don't like it go do something else, or go work somewhere else.
That said we meet on Saturday, grade film from previous night and breakdown the last trade film. Each coach has a set of breakdown data that they input on every film. I trade two game films on Wednesday, they can be broken down whenever, but I need it all finished before we leave on Saturday. The HC/DC and I will meet on Sunday to discuss game plan, practice, and scout team. I am the OC.
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 16, 2019 6:58:18 GMT -6
It has been interesting how many different topics have been lumped together here. I mean, you could be a coach that doesn't bring players in on weekends, spends minimal time meeting on the weekends if meeting at all, runs the wing t, be a social media sensation...and still hate Homecoming Week, right?
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Post by zonedive60 on Oct 16, 2019 7:04:50 GMT -6
I hate homecoming. I also hate coaches that complain about how much time we work. You knew what you where getting into when you became a coach. If you don't like it go do something else, or go work somewhere else. That said we meet on Saturday, grade film from previous night and breakdown the last trade film. Each coach has a set of breakdown data that they input on every film. I trade two game films on Wednesday, they can be broken down whenever, but I need it all finished before we leave on Saturday. The HC/DC and I will meet on Sunday to discuss game plan, practice, and scout team. I am the OC. Well I hate coaches who think this is a 7 day week gig when it isn’t. So
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 16, 2019 7:53:12 GMT -6
I think dudes blatantly wait to leave the field house mid-week until kids are asleep and done eating. Then they leave early enough to avoid breakfast and morning whatever on Saturdays and get back during nap time. Why have kids? It's funny, my experience is exactly the opposite. The guys I've worked with that really didn't want to go home have been empty nesters. All of them aren't like that but it seemed like some guys didn't want to go home and do chores and talk with their wives. That's where I'm lucky: my wife wants to watch football, workout and drink beer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 9:02:53 GMT -6
We need to, and should to meet. Its not always about fb. How are we approaching johnies academics, who is crazy ted hanging with, how are going to deal with that kids parents. We do it in the mornings before class, while watching another terrible practice film, the actual filming. And sat. Morning. And for that alone, its worth two hours. The part that is tough is he will not back you. If enough heat is there, i am going under the bus. If i screw up, i am to fall on sword. Not just me, whole staff And to ask people to devote such a large part of their life to that kind of situation is crazy. anyone can always say no. Anyone is free to quit anytime they like. I chose and enjoy doing it.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 16, 2019 9:42:10 GMT -6
I hate homecoming. I also hate coaches that complain about how much time we work. You knew what you where getting into when you became a coach. If you don't like it go do something else, or go work somewhere else. That said we meet on Saturday, grade film from previous night and breakdown the last trade film. Each coach has a set of breakdown data that they input on every film. I trade two game films on Wednesday, they can be broken down whenever, but I need it all finished before we leave on Saturday. The HC/DC and I will meet on Sunday to discuss game plan, practice, and scout team. I am the OC. Well I hate coaches who think this is a 7 day week gig when it isn’t. So
I'll be blunt here; you've either missed or are choosing to ignore the point that many of us are trying to make. Coaching football doesn't need to be a time consuming grind. In fact, I agree with you; there's no need for it to be and I've had a difficult time coaching on staffs where it has been. With that being said, a staff can strike an easy balance by taking advantage of the technology available and get their chit done.
If the "paperwork" is taken care of (scout cards, Google doc break downs, scouting reports), then we're meeting for a short period of time to shore some things up and make sure we're on the same page. Our meeting last Sunday lasted an hour and a fifteen minutes and we got A LOT done. It would have taken us two-three times as long to hammer out what needed to be done via text.
And, meeting for a bit allows the staff to actually voice their opinion on things. That's not going to happen via text as one of two things happens; it turns into bickering (i.e. NO TONE) or their texts are largely ignored as some of us don't live with our phones in our hands. When my phone starts blowing up on Friday night or Saturday with texts from assistants about things, I tell them to toss it on the Google Docs and that we'll talk about it on Sunday.
And again, having actual CONVERSATIONS and INTERACTING is becoming more and more difficult because of people who rely solely on technology. I woke up on Saturday morning after a close loss, was breaking down film, and got a mass text from an assistant that said "You should have pulled Johnny out; he cost us the game." I responded with "We'll talk about it tomorrow night.". I wanted to say "SHUT YOUR TRAP; THAT SAFETY YOU COACH LET A POST ROUTE FLY BY HIM FOR A 40 YARD SCORE!!!"
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Post by tripsclosed on Oct 18, 2019 2:44:11 GMT -6
No I never had delusions we would win that game, but I had a problem with the AD's actions and expectations. It was VERY early in my 37 year career and it left a bad taste. Later as we became good, she would not have considered asking that. It was just an experience about homecoming. I hear ya. Sometimes it's about the principle, even if it doesn't have a huge impact.
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Post by mrjvi on Oct 18, 2019 5:24:40 GMT -6
We make adjustments on the weekly plan when needed because we meet usually for @ 30-45 minutes after each practice. The plan for the week is usually shared by the D coordinator or O coordinator (me) by Sunday with communication as needed. I like to know what the d is deciding but I don't micro manage. Sometimes Monday's meeting after practice can go a little longer but that's only if we are going against a team with alot of unique things. We end practice by 5:30 latest-usually earlier, so I don't keep the coaches a rediculous amount of time. We lift from @ 2:50 until 3:15 and go outside for @ 2 hours most. It does help to have a staff who has coached for a while and is knowledgeable @ FB.
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Post by mrjvi on Oct 18, 2019 5:25:47 GMT -6
Sorry. I seem to have drifted from the original post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 6:45:27 GMT -6
Sorry. I seem to have drifted from the original post. i think the post about your practice is awesome!!
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Post by klaby on Oct 22, 2019 10:40:06 GMT -6
If you’re one of those guys who Hates homecoming week I believe you are in the wrong profession in high school coaching. High school sports are about fun and being competitive. If what you are doing on O and D require your kids to be so locked in that they can’t enjoy homecoming, you’re part of the problem in ruining high school football. zonedive60, 1st let me welcome you to the board. Good to see new blood. 2nd what you will find here is some good information and good people willing to share that information. But you will also find some seriously thin skinned people, some coaches that lack true leadership skills. Some who can deal out constructive criticism fairly well but cant take it as well as they dish it. Which is strange given most on here are teachers and you would think that since they preach about accept constructive feedback and be coach-able they would be more acceptable to new ideas and feedback. You will also find that they have rules, many rules, they expect and demand that their players follow those rules, but not necessarily that they follow them. See what is good for the Goose is not necessarily good for the Gander. Again a ton of great people here. Good people who share what the know. But some have forgotten that for the most part its not about the Win, as it is about building young men who will be future leaders. Football ends, it ends for everyone, but being a good man, husband, father, these are the lessons we should be focused on. We coach kids, and for the most part someone else kid. Kids need to have fun. If everyone in school is having fun and your not, well you resent the person who is killing your fun. Have some boundaries, but let the kids be kids. They will be old men soon enough, they will have to work soon enough....
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Post by dblwngr on Oct 22, 2019 16:02:41 GMT -6
Homecoming.....whatever.......
I've devoted most of my hatred to "picture day" that always seems to land during the week of our toughest opponent.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 22, 2019 18:42:09 GMT -6
Homecoming.....whatever....... I've devoted most of my hatred to "picture day" that always seems to land during the week of our toughest opponent. ?? Football picture day?
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Post by carookie on Oct 22, 2019 20:29:53 GMT -6
Homecoming.....whatever....... I've devoted most of my hatred to "picture day" that always seems to land during the week of our toughest opponent. Ah man you gotta get this thing done before the season starts, thats the way to do it. Uniforms are clean, players are healthy, no need to use up time waiting for picture day
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Post by dblwngr on Oct 22, 2019 21:54:50 GMT -6
Homecoming.....whatever....... I've devoted most of my hatred to "picture day" that always seems to land during the week of our toughest opponent. Ah man you gotta get this thing done before the season starts, thats the way to do it. Uniforms are clean, players are healthy, no need to use up time waiting for picture day Every school in this area does it the same way. All fall sports in one day after school. Football usually gets to go first but it still ends up being a day of grab a$$ and low focus
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Post by bleefb on Oct 22, 2019 23:31:52 GMT -6
Homecoming.....whatever....... I've devoted most of my hatred to "picture day" that always seems to land during the week of our toughest opponent. Ah man you gotta get this thing done before the season starts, thats the way to do it. Uniforms are clean, players are healthy, no need to use up time waiting for picture day I always tried to do it after grades came out. Took less time.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 23, 2019 4:13:45 GMT -6
Ah man you gotta get this thing done before the season starts, thats the way to do it. Uniforms are clean, players are healthy, no need to use up time waiting for picture day Every school in this area does it the same way. All fall sports in one day after school. Football usually gets to go first but it still ends up being a day of grab a$$ and low focus Wow- that just seems odd. No pictures for program for the games? No pictures for media for season? No pictures for buttons and other things for moms to wear?
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Post by zonedive60 on Oct 23, 2019 5:11:18 GMT -6
If you’re one of those guys who Hates homecoming week I believe you are in the wrong profession in high school coaching. High school sports are about fun and being competitive. If what you are doing on O and D require your kids to be so locked in that they can’t enjoy homecoming, you’re part of the problem in ruining high school football. zonedive60, 1st let me welcome you to the board. Good to see new blood. 2nd what you will find here is some good information and good people willing to share that information. But you will also find some seriously thin skinned people, some coaches that lack true leadership skills. Some who can deal out constructive criticism fairly well but cant take it as well as they dish it. Which is strange given most on here are teachers and you would think that since they preach about accept constructive feedback and be coach-able they would be more acceptable to new ideas and feedback. You will also find that they have rules, many rules, they expect and demand that their players follow those rules, but not necessarily that they follow them. See what is good for the Goose is not necessarily good for the Gander. Again a ton of great people here. Good people who share what the know. But some have forgotten that for the most part its not about the Win, as it is about building young men who will be future leaders. Football ends, it ends for everyone, but being a good man, husband, father, these are the lessons we should be focused on. We coach kids, and for the most part someone else kid. Kids need to have fun. If everyone in school is having fun and your not, well you resent the person who is killing your fun. Have some boundaries, but let the kids be kids. They will be old men soon enough, they will have to work soon enough.... My feelings exactly. Good post coach
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Post by coachcb on Oct 23, 2019 9:05:14 GMT -6
If you’re one of those guys who Hates homecoming week I believe you are in the wrong profession in high school coaching. High school sports are about fun and being competitive. If what you are doing on O and D require your kids to be so locked in that they can’t enjoy homecoming, you’re part of the problem in ruining high school football. zonedive60, 1st let me welcome you to the board. Good to see new blood. 2nd what you will find here is some good information and good people willing to share that information. But you will also find some seriously thin skinned people, some coaches that lack true leadership skills. Some who can deal out constructive criticism fairly well but cant take it as well as they dish it. Which is strange given most on here are teachers and you would think that since they preach about accept constructive feedback and be coach-able they would be more acceptable to new ideas and feedback. You will also find that they have rules, many rules, they expect and demand that their players follow those rules, but not necessarily that they follow them. See what is good for the Goose is not necessarily good for the Gander. Again a ton of great people here. Good people who share what the know. But some have forgotten that for the most part its not about the Win, as it is about building young men who will be future leaders. Football ends, it ends for everyone, but being a good man, husband, father, these are the lessons we should be focused on. We coach kids, and for the most part someone else kid. Kids need to have fun. If everyone in school is having fun and your not, well you resent the person who is killing your fun. Have some boundaries, but let the kids be kids. They will be old men soon enough, they will have to work soon enough....
You are correct, this site is filled with great coaches and good people. There's a lot of fantastic information to be shared. Yes, there are some thin-skinned keyboard warriors but they are few and far between. What you are going to find is a lot of veteran coaches who aren't taking the statement "If you don't like homecoming, then you shouldn't be coaching!" as "constructive criticism". Because it's not; it's tell those of us who have been doing this for awhile that we're poor coaches because we get tired of the distractions of homecoming.
That doesn't make us poor leaders or teachers; it makes us PRACTICAL. When we're plugging zeroes into the grade book throughout homecoming week because the kids are out all night or gone we get frustrated. When we have to think twice about scheduling quizzes and tests during that week because half of the kids either won't be there to take it or too tired/unfocused to pass it, we get frustrated. When we spend our free time breaking down film, writing practice plans and prepping for our homecoming game and we have poor practices, WE GET FRUSTRATED.
None of us are stating that homecoming should be cancelled for the betterment of the sports programs. What we are stating is that it needs to be dialed back because it affects sports AND academics. We want the kids and the community to enjoy themselves that week and celebrate. BUT, not the the detriment of everything we're trying to accomplish; on the field and in the classroom.
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