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Post by dbapes on Oct 1, 2019 13:15:50 GMT -6
Hey all,
I'm curious what everyone here thinks is the best way to get started with coaching in football. I don't have very much experience as far as playing above a high school level. However, I have a great passion for this game and I'm always studying new concepts and trying to better educate myself to better prepare myself whenever I may get an opportunity to coach. I've coached baseball for several years but it isn't nearly as exciting to me as the idea of coaching football. I live in the Austin, TX area and am willing to take any and all advice that this forum has to offer.
Thanks in advance!
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Post by aceback76 on Oct 1, 2019 13:35:15 GMT -6
Hey all, I'm curious what everyone here thinks is the best way to get started with coaching in football. I don't have very much experience as far as playing above a high school level. However, I have a great passion for this game and I'm always studying new concepts and trying to better educate myself to better prepare myself whenever I may get an opportunity to coach. I've coached baseball for several years but it isn't nearly as exciting to me as the idea of coaching football. I live in the Austin, TX area and am willing to take any and all advice that this forum has to offer. Thanks in advance! Most collages offer COURSES in Coaching Football. Night Class or Summer School, etc. If you search there are Correspondence Classes (online) etc. Check out what UT offers. Here is one an outline of one I TAUGHT at Virginia Commonwealth U. ("VCU"): FOOTBALL COACHING CLASS: 1. Athletics – Principles and Objectives 2. The Coaching Profession 3. The “Musts” of Coaching 4. Organization 5. Developing An Offense 6. Quarterbacking 7. Defense 8. Kicking Game 9. Scouting 10. Equipment 11. Weight Training Programs (Etc.) 12. Sports Medicine Segment (Safety; Injuries; Heat Problems; etc.) 13. Summation Points ALSO: Cover The Beginnings of Football; Football in the United States.
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Post by vince148 on Oct 1, 2019 13:37:51 GMT -6
I started very late. Started coaching career by coaching youth back in 2010 when I was 52. Picked up a MS coaching position a year later, then a JV HS position. However, it's been mostly youth ball, but I kept applying for just about every coaching position available in my area. I continued to read, study, talk with others on forums and call a few here and there. This year, at 61, I was hired as HC for a small 8-man school. You just have to decide that if this is really what you want to do, to get on a staff somewhere and continue to learn and develop as a coach.
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Post by aceback76 on Oct 1, 2019 13:53:31 GMT -6
In the class I taught on "Coaching Football" at VCU, this is the second lecture I gave (many I have taught say they benefited from this):
THE COACHING PROFESSION"
BEFORE CHOOSING THE COACHING PROFESSION:
First of all, in choosing any profession one should ask himself the following three basic questions:
1. Do you like best to work with things?
2. Do you like best to work with people?
3. Do you like best to work with facts?
If your answer to No. 2 is “yes”, then you are ready to consider the coaching profession. Below are some facts relative to the coaching profession which should be given careful consideration:
a) Do you have a sincere interest in young people?
b) Do you like to teach?
c) Do you have an intense love for the game you plan to coach?
d) Do you have patience?
e) Are you willing to sacrifice time and effort, to go beyond the “call of duty”?
f) Are you willing to be a servant of the community?
g) Do you have leadership qualities?
THE COACHING PROFESSION:
1. It has been slow to gain recognition as a profession along side other great professions.
2. The public has begun to recognize the coach as an educator, as a student of the laws of teaching and learning, and as a master of applied psychology.
3. It provides personal satisfaction and thrills that no other profession can, such as associating with great athletes and watching them develop.
4. The trend is toward stabilization, longer tenure, less dramatic emphasis on the won-and-loss record.
5. Good coaching includes developing character, personality, habits of the players, and providing guidance for the players as well as the efficient teaching of fundamentals and team play.
6. There is a definite need for more men of high ideals in the coaching profession. The opportunity and the challenge are there.
OPPORTUNITY TO INFLUENCE THE LIVES OF OTHERS: No other profession provides a greater scope of influence on young people and on the community as a whole. A coach has perpetual and unlimited opportunities to influence the lives of others for good.
a) Athletes are leaders within the school. They are idealized by younger children.
b) Athletes reflect the character of the coach as their conduct depends a great deal upon what the coach demands of them.
c) The attitude of the community is influenced by the way in which the coach conducts himself on and off the field.
ADVANCEMENT WITHIN THE PROFESSION:
1. Jobs range all the way from Junior and Senior High School coaching to “big time” college and professional coaching.
2. The road is rocky, but advancement is almost unlimited. However, one should bear in mind that the higher he goes, the less security he has.
GENERAL NOTES ON COACHING:
Success in athletic coaching goes hand in hand with hard work. There is no short cut. A coach must also sell his team this idea.
Study and read all materials available relative to coaching, to conditioning, to education, to psychology, to First Aid, etc., keep an open mind.
It is very important to have good organization. One should go about his coaching duties in a systematic, business-like manner.
Study your personnel in order to be able to get the most out of them. You must know your personnel - - - this applies to staff members as well as players.
Never go on the field unless every minute is planned in detail. Learn to budget time.
Promote athletics in lower grades. Encourage younger boys to keep up their grades. Get to know them personally if possible. The important point is to reach them early.
Promote and organize junior varsity teams. Never let boys stand around. Show an interest in all.
See that all boys take a physical examination before the start of the practice sessions.
Know First Aid and how to apply it if you do not have a qualified trainer. Remember the welfare of the boy comes first.
Condition your squad. It is a crime to send a team into a game in a poor condition.
Have a physician present at all games and never play a boy without his approval.
Athletic coaching is the teaching of motor habits. It takes drill, repetition, and plenty of practice. Remember, your boys are not concentrating like the coach - - - never forget, they are young.
The basic fundamentals must be mastered first. It is not what YOU know, but what you teach that determines YOUR success.
Performance is more important than form. Never over-coach a boy.
Praise is more effective than criticism. There is only one type of criticism allowed in coaching and that is constructive. A boy never resents your helping him.
Be patient with the slow learner - - - he may be your best member in the end.
Build the intangibles. Create the feeling of “all for one, and one for all”. Work at keeping down jealousy among the players. Watch out for cliques within the squad. Never let anything or anybody influence your playing a boy other than his value to the team.
Maintain a friendly, kindly relationship with all the boys on your team - - - do not become too familiar with any. If you must reprimand a boy, if at all possible, try to follow it up with a friendly word as soon as possible.
Be loyal to your players at all costs. Take the blame for the defeats and give them the credit for the victories.
Before you issue a penalty, be sure you are in a position to enforce it, and then stand by it.
You must quickly find out what it takes to command respect from your squad. Different coaches use different approaches. Yours must fit in with your personality.
Never try to imitate anyone - - - be yourself. What works for one coach won’t automatically work for another.
Be fair in all dealings with the boys, but be aware of their individual differences. Some respond to firm treatment, while others will more readily respond to a pat on the back.
Never try to be popular. Stand up for what you believe to be right and the boys will respect you for it. If you have their best interest at heart, they will soon know it, and come around to your way of thinking.
Preaching hate doctrines may get results some few times, but a good coach should never lower himself to use such tactics.
Prepare in practice, not in the locker room just before the game. Pep talks should be given during the week prior to the game.
Allow no profanity, gambling, drinking, or questionable stories around the locker room. Keep everything on a high plane.
Build the tradition that only boys of high character make your team.
Do nothing, on or off the field, to cause your boys to lose faith and confidence in you. It is almost impossible to be restored if lost.
Encourage your boys to be leaders off the field as well as on the field.
NOTE: In closing, if I may ever be of service to you in you coaching career, please feel free to call upon me.
Best Wishes for a happy and successful coaching career;
Coach Bill Mountjoy
PS: “Bear” Bryant in his own words
"I tell young players who want to be coaches, who think they can put up with all the headaches and heartaches: Can you live without it? If you can live without it, don't get in it."
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 1, 2019 14:50:32 GMT -6
Go anywhere up to HS level and volunteer as a walk-on.
If you get the gig, make sure you're always where you're supposed to be. That could be Saturday stadium clean-up duty, organizing the weight room, etc.
Start on their lower levels and LEARN EVERYTHING THEY DO...i.e O/D/K and practice plan layout.
By the second year (if header thinks you can fit in) they might offer you at least a small stipend.
HC's are looking for dependability and enthusiasm in their staff members. If they can rely on you, they'd like to keep you around.
If they can't keep you on staff, at least you have begun building a resume and now have a HC who can give you a good recommendation.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 1, 2019 17:50:59 GMT -6
Go anywhere up to HS level and volunteer as a walk-on. If you get the gig, make sure you're always where you're supposed to be. That could be Saturday stadium clean-up duty, organizing the weight room, etc. Start on their lower levels and LEARN EVERYTHING THEY DO...i.e O/D/K and practice plan layout. By the second year (if header thinks you can fit in) they might offer you at least a small stipend. HC's are looking for dependability and enthusiasm in their staff members. If they can rely on you, they'd like to keep you around. If they can't keep you on staff, at least you have begun building a resume and now have a HC who can give you a good recommendation. He lives in Texas. I am not sure what the rules are governing volunteers given that I constantly hear that to coach in Texas, you must be a full time faculty member.
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Post by planck on Oct 1, 2019 18:15:35 GMT -6
To get paid to coach, probably. Most places won't turn away a volunteer unless they cause problems.
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Post by huddlehut on Oct 1, 2019 19:58:08 GMT -6
No volunteers in Texas...unless you happen to be a full-time employee of the school district.
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Post by dbapes on Oct 2, 2019 7:15:15 GMT -6
No volunteers in Texas...unless you happen to be a full-time employee of the school district. So would my only option be to try to get some kind of volunteer job with a local college or something similar?
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Post by blb on Oct 2, 2019 7:24:18 GMT -6
dbapes Did you-are you attend(ing) college? What's your degree in? Day job? Because of where you live without getting teacher certification your only option may be youth football.
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Post by dbapes on Oct 2, 2019 7:36:00 GMT -6
dbapes Did you-are you attend(ing) college? What's your degree in? Day job? Because of where you live without getting teacher certification your only option may be youth football. Yes, I went to Purdue University and received my degree is in Electrical Engineering. During the day I'm a controls engineer at Samsung in North Austin. I just recently moved to Texas last April and I've been looking in to getting a teaching certification. If that's the only way to get some sort of coaching position at the high school level then I should get that done sooner rather than later. Thanks for the response!
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Post by coach31 on Oct 2, 2019 10:16:31 GMT -6
As a follow up (Maybe a new thread? Mods?).
I am really struggling to find coaches. We have been pretty good over that last 6-7 years. Had 8 guys leave the staff this year (All still positive, come to games, etc, just don't have time). We have really struggled to replace them. Finding guys that can be here at 3 PM for practice is nearly impossible. Not a lot of jobs in the building.
I'm 40, Im one of the young guys. Any ideas as to where I can find younger guys that want to coach and can be here all the time?
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Post by jcamerot on Oct 2, 2019 10:47:25 GMT -6
dbapes--
I would be real cautious about getting a teacher certification just to coach. Unless you are really into "shaping the youth of America", it can make for some extremely long and unhappy days just to get to practice at the end of the day.
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 2, 2019 13:37:22 GMT -6
From state to state, the amount of investment to be certified as a teacher or substitute teacher varies enormously. In NY, they really don't want you unless you intend a career in teaching. Unless you're at least working on a Master's degree in teaching, you're only allowed a token amount of substitute work in most public schools, and even becoming certified as a teacher's aide is non-trivial. Private schools don't have to follow these rules, but as far as I know, most private schools in most states want the same certification as the public schools do. Fortunately, most states are not New York!
College you don't need any kind of certification in advance to teach, although public institutions will put you thru various bureaucratic BS periodically to stay with it.
However, you (original poster) didn't say you needed to make money at it, so there are many unpaid opportunities open to you in both youth and adult men's and women's football coaching. The organization itself will help set you up with any certification (such as background checks) they require for working with children; for working with adults, they have none. I got started just by contacting a club I found near me online.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 2, 2019 17:12:02 GMT -6
dbapes Did you-are you attend(ing) college? What's your degree in? Day job? Because of where you live without getting teacher certification your only option may be youth football. Yes, I went to Purdue University and received my degree is in Electrical Engineering. During the day I'm a controls engineer at Samsung in North Austin. I just recently moved to Texas last April and I've been looking in to getting a teaching certification. If that's the only way to get some sort of coaching position at the high school level then I should get that done sooner rather than later. Thanks for the response! I can NOT say this strongly enough. DO NOT look to get into teaching so that you can coach football. DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 17:52:11 GMT -6
Not everywhere i am sure, but if you want to be taken. seriously, you need to be on campus, doing something. Its rare that get a guy/hc who understands what he has. And it doesnt take long to get promoted. Fbscoop it. You just need one guy.
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Post by hornetfan63 on Oct 2, 2019 18:40:49 GMT -6
Private schools in Texas offer more opportunities to coach without being a full time teacher. At Public schools you have to get a teaching certificate and be a full time employee. Look into alternative certifications to get the certificate. How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by dbapes on Oct 2, 2019 19:55:07 GMT -6
Private schools in Texas offer more opportunities to coach without being a full time teacher. At Public schools you have to get a teaching certificate and be a full time employee. Look into alternative certifications to get the certificate. How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? I’m 29 years old
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Post by hornetfan63 on Oct 3, 2019 10:06:07 GMT -6
Easy then, Get in an alternative certification program and apply for every job you can. Someone will hire you.
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Post by newhope on Oct 3, 2019 12:18:38 GMT -6
Hey all, I'm curious what everyone here thinks is the best way to get started with coaching in football. I don't have very much experience as far as playing above a high school level. However, I have a great passion for this game and I'm always studying new concepts and trying to better educate myself to better prepare myself whenever I may get an opportunity to coach. I've coached baseball for several years but it isn't nearly as exciting to me as the idea of coaching football. I live in the Austin, TX area and am willing to take any and all advice that this forum has to offer. Thanks in advance! Go find a local program. Ask to volunteer. Most high school coaches are looking for help. However--be willing to do the small things and realize you're not there to change or save the program. You're there to learn and to help.
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Post by blb on Oct 3, 2019 15:35:13 GMT -6
As I have posted before, I cannot in good conscience recommend to any one to go into teaching now. Being a teacher is like being a fire hydrant at a dog show. dbapes Keep your day job and look for opportunities to coach youth football in your area.
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Post by blb on Oct 3, 2019 15:36:11 GMT -6
Yes, I went to Purdue University and received my degree is in Electrical Engineering. During the day I'm a controls engineer at Samsung in North Austin. I just recently moved to Texas last April and I've been looking in to getting a teaching certification. If that's the only way to get some sort of coaching position at the high school level then I should get that done sooner rather than later. Thanks for the response! I can NOT say this strongly enough. DO NOT look to get into teaching so that you can coach football. DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT.
^ What he said.
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Post by fantom on Oct 3, 2019 16:13:49 GMT -6
As I have posted before, I cannot in good conscience recommend to any one to go into teaching now. Being a teacher is like being a fire hydrant at a dog show. dbapes Keep your day job and look for opportunities to coach youth football in your area. Since the OP is in Texas he may consider job security. In most states if a teacher loses his coaching job at the school it doesn't affect his primary source of income- teaching. That's not true in Texas.
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Post by blb on Oct 4, 2019 6:30:51 GMT -6
Hey all, I'm curious what everyone here thinks is the best way to get started with coaching in football. I don't have very much experience as far as playing above a high school level. However, I have a great passion for this game and I'm always studying new concepts and trying to better educate myself to better prepare myself whenever I may get an opportunity to coach. I've coached baseball for several years but it isn't nearly as exciting to me as the idea of coaching football. I live in the Austin, TX area and am willing to take any and all advice that this forum has to offer. Thanks in advance! Go find a local program. Ask to volunteer. Most high school coaches are looking for help. However--be willing to do the small things and realize you're not there to change or save the program. You're there to learn and to help.
As was stated earlier in thread - OP is in TX, which does not allow volunteer coaches unless full-time employee of the district.
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Post by dbapes on Oct 4, 2019 7:18:13 GMT -6
Thanks for all the great advice everyone!
From what I've gathered it's probably the best idea to not try to get involved in the public high school coaching scene because it requires a full time position in Texas. I'll probably look into assisting at private high schools, youth football or some kind of volunteer college position. Thank you again for all of your help!
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 4, 2019 13:56:11 GMT -6
If all else fails, you could get together with some friends and form a football club, maybe even play again yourself. But if all else failed, that probably will too.
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