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Post by coachcb on Sept 16, 2019 15:35:00 GMT -6
blockandtackleThat's friggin' insane... I worked at a school with a board member who got some very public drunk and disorderly charges pressed against him for a bar-fight. The school board didn't act until it hit the front page of the hometown news paper. There was a massive public outcry and he "resigned".
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 16, 2019 17:17:17 GMT -6
Same around here with the exception of a board member. They'd potentially lose their position if it hit the media.
There’s a board member here who’s facing domestic violence charges for getting drunk and beating his girlfriend. When the cops showed up he was so plastered he couldn’t speak coherently. The officer gave a sworn statement as to his level of intoxication. Then he violated a restraining order and showed up at her new place a few weeks later, drunk again and threatening her. This was not the first time he’s been arrested for such allegations. He’s also had numerous complaints by female district employees of harassment and stalking that go back years. There’s been pressure on the school board to boot him out, but they have been nothing but supportive and have steadfastly stuck by him, speaking positively about his character and saying that it’s a matter for the courts to decide and it doesn’t affect his position in any way unless he’s convicted. Meanwhile, the same school board and administration interprets our state’s revised code of ethics to say it puts a teacher in violation of he or she is seen having a single drink in public. They fired a bunch of people over social jmedia posts last year. I also used to coach somewhere that had a known cocaine dealer sitting on the county government for years and years. Politics are funny sometimes. Keep in mind, the school board probably does not have the power to "boot him out". He is an elected official. They can condemn his actions, they can ask for his resignation, but chances are the only people who can remove him are himself (resign) or the voters (recall election) unless he is convicted. coachcb No, he probably actually resigned not "resigned". As I mentioned, a board member is an elected official. They represent the voters. Other board members can not force him out of office. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 17, 2019 8:55:22 GMT -6
coachd5085In our state, the school board can ask for a resignation under serious circumstances. I don't know the entirety of the process but I believe they have to contact the state board of trustees and get permission to do so. I do know that it is a lengthy process as you're correct; they're elected officials. But, it's pretty rare to see these situations pop up. Generally speaking, the board doesn't take those steps and it becomes a circus. There's a lot of acrimony within the board and the community itself when these situations pop up.
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 17, 2019 9:57:30 GMT -6
depends on who you are, most coaches here would be gone, only at one school I worked at the sup's wife taught elementary school and she showed up to work drunk several times...the let her take time off to get treatment and swept the whole thing under the rug....the more important your friends are, the more understanding and compassion you get for your mistakes....which is true of pretty much the entire legal system why should school policy be any different
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 17, 2019 17:33:57 GMT -6
coachd5085In our state, the school board can ask for a resignation under serious circumstances. I don't know the entirety of the process but I believe they have to contact the state board of trustees and get permission to do so. I do know that it is a lengthy process as you're correct; they're elected officials. But, it's pretty rare to see these situations pop up. Generally speaking, the board doesn't take those steps and it becomes a circus. There's a lot of acrimony within the board and the community itself when these situations pop up. Interesting- I don’t see how one can override the will of the voters- i guess it may be in the constitution |
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Post by jg78 on Sept 17, 2019 18:22:17 GMT -6
Do you think a coach getting a DUI should be fired? Yes. Perhaps so. But in general we are held to a higher standard than most professions. I see posts on Facebook about every day that would get me in hot water (and very likely fired) if I posted the same content on my page. If Coach Doe posts a picture of himself holding a beer in one hand with his other arm around some scantily dressed bimbo and talks about partying and getting wasted and screwing around, the pitchforks would come out. But if it's a mechanic down at the Chevy dealership, no one really cares. |
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Post by coachscdub on Sept 18, 2019 3:26:07 GMT -6
This is an interesting question, i dont have any true personal experience. But my former boss told me about how a buddy of his who was a great all around coach was fired/banned from coaching because he got a DUI, but he was cited on the fourth of July because he moved his truck from the street about 10 feet up and in to his drive way. The cop was sitting outside his house and was "waiting for him" as the story was told to me, i think he meant that the cop just happened to be outside. Anyways he blew a .09 or so and was arrested and cited for DUI, got fired and banned and can no longer coach. I think context matters in all things, this type of stuff included.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 8:34:49 GMT -6
Keep in mind, the school board probably does not have the power to "boot him out". He is an elected official. They can condemn his actions, they can ask for his resignation, but chances are the only people who can remove him are himself (resign) or the voters (recall election) unless he is convicted. coachcb No, he probably actually resigned not "resigned". As I mentioned, a board member is an elected official. They represent the voters. Other board members can not force him out of office. My understanding is that there is a procedure for removing board members because of conduct such as what he's done, but it's a big drawn out process. I can understand why they'd like to avoid that... but that doesn't mean they have to keep testifying about his character to the public and praising him, especially after what he's done to district employees for years. That's the issue I take with it. Through thick and thin, they stand by board members and administrators committing offenses that would get teachers fired in a heartbeat. Say what you will, but it's a bad look. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 18, 2019 8:56:00 GMT -6
blockandtackleIME, it generally takes strife within the school board and the school board to force a resignation. No action will be taken if everything is kosher in those two aspects. But, they'll push for a resignation if it starts to make their job harder. And, I've also seen board members who just resign quietly if they do something out of line; especially in small towns. They know there's a much better chance of it turning into a circus if they don't take themselves out of the public spotlight.
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Post by tippecanoe41 on Sept 18, 2019 10:28:45 GMT -6
For a first offense with nothing else attached to it, I don't think so. I know a guy who was suspended for a year from coaching for one, and the head coach had to fight pretty hard to keep it at just a year. Seemed like the school really missed an opportunity. He should have received some sort of punishment to show kids that when you do wrong, there are consequences. No problem with that at all. But don't try to blackball him. It's an opportunity. This was a guy who had about 10 years of working with these kids as a full time assistant coach, even though he never took a dime in pay. He had a much different type of rapport with the young men on the football team, and as such would be listened to in a much different way, than any of those special convocation speakers who get paid the big bucks to come in and speak and nobody remembers them three days later.
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Post by red on Sept 18, 2019 12:39:50 GMT -6
For all the people saying he should get fired, especially for breaking the policies that coaches are trying to instill in their players / programs. Would you give one of your players a lifetime ban from your program for a DUI? And also I've been to alot of coaches clinics where I've witnessed ALOT of coaches doing things they preach to their teams are not acceptable.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 18, 2019 13:53:41 GMT -6
For all the people saying he should get fired, especially for breaking the policies that coaches are trying to instill in their players / programs. Would you give one of your players a lifetime ban from your program for a DUI? And also I've been to alot of coaches clinics where I've witnessed ALOT of coaches doing things they preach to their teams are not acceptable. I wouldn't hold a minor and an adult to the same standard. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 18, 2019 19:22:26 GMT -6
Keep in mind, the school board probably does not have the power to "boot him out". He is an elected official. They can condemn his actions, they can ask for his resignation, but chances are the only people who can remove him are himself (resign) or the voters (recall election) unless he is convicted. coachcb No, he probably actually resigned not "resigned". As I mentioned, a board member is an elected official. They represent the voters. Other board members can not force him out of office. My understanding is that there is a procedure for removing board members because of conduct such as what he's done, but it's a big drawn out process. I can understand why they'd like to avoid that... but that doesn't mean they have to keep testifying about his character to the public and praising him, especially after what he's done to district employees for years. That's the issue I take with it. Through thick and thin, they stand by board members and administrators committing offenses that would get teachers fired in a heartbeat. Say what you will, but it's a bad look. Oh, I absolutely agree. In the situation I described, where the school board member shoplifted items including a $0.36 jalapeno, the board asked for her resignation. However because she accepted a deal with the DA to enter a diversion program, there is no real recourse for her to be removed by anyone other than voters. And that is amazingly difficult, due to the short attention span of our society. Complain about it on Face book.. Sure.. "Sign" a petition on some website like change.org. Fine. Actually participate to get a recall election? Hell, there was Parish (county) president in the Nola metro area who admitted (after being caught of course) that he was sexting a 17 year old boy...and even he wasn't recalled. |
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