klaby
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Post by klaby on May 1, 2019 10:03:16 GMT -6
So as I always do on vacation I sit my fat butt in a chair by the pool and read a book...about something football.
This spring I read Brainwashed: The Bad Science Behind CTE and the Plot to Destroy Football by Merril Hoge.
This is an eye opener as to how bad the media is, how one sided they are and how corrupt higher education research can be. I have been a cop for 28 years, and with out exception if someone makes me jump through hoops to get information its because they are lying and hiding something....you'll understand more after you read this.
I suggest you buy a box of these and hand them out to every 4th or 5th grade parent in your school who is worried about football, and CTE, and concussions....
Read it, you will come away with a new prospective and information to help fight the "scared" parent!!!
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Post by nicku on May 1, 2019 10:14:05 GMT -6
I'll pass. Referring to the concern over concussion-related health as a "brainwashing" isn't going to get anything accomplished, even if I think the game is getting safer every season.
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Post by joris85 on May 1, 2019 10:36:54 GMT -6
I wanted to start a new topic, but felt that it was closely related to this topic, which is why I am responding here.
In yesterday’s champions league (soccer) contest, Jan Vertonghen and Toby alderweireld, two Tottenham defenders, heavy collided with their heads. So heavily that both were on the grond and needed medical attrntion. Jan Vertonghen also had a bloody nose which was taken care of. After the incident, both just resumed play.
A couple minutes later, jan Vertonghen apparently was about to pass out, couldnt stand on his own and didnt know where he was, so they still substituted him. (Alderweireld kept playing).
After the game, the team said “Vertonghen is Allright” and Jan Vertonghen said “a rule change where we would be allowed to be re-substituted back in would be good”.
Nobody in the world of soccer appears to be worried about concussion related health. I think football coaches are much more informed about the dangers of concussions compared to soccer coaches and soccer covering media. Imagine this would happen in a football game on friday, saturday or sunday. I believe the media would blow up.
To link this to the OP, I feel like we need to be aware of the dangers of concussions and believe we are better prepared than soccer coaches. At the same time, we might be overdoing it a bit too.
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Post by coachcb on May 1, 2019 13:36:39 GMT -6
I wanted to start a new topic, but felt that it was closely related to this topic, which is why I am responding here. In yesterday’s champions league (soccer) contest, Jan Vertonghen and Toby alderweireld, two Tottenham defenders, heavy collided with their heads. So heavily that both were on the grond and needed medical attrntion. Jan Vertonghen also had a bloody nose which was taken care of. After the incident, both just resumed play. A couple minutes later, jan Vertonghen apparently was about to pass out, couldnt stand on his own and didnt know where he was, so they still substituted him. (Alderweireld kept playing). After the game, the team said “Vertonghen is Allright” and Jan Vertonghen said “a rule change where we would be allowed to be re-substituted back in would be good”. Nobody in the world of soccer appears to be worried about concussion related health. I think football coaches are much more informed about the dangers of concussions compared to soccer coaches and soccer covering media. Imagine this would happen in a football game on friday, saturday or sunday. I believe the media would blow up. To link this to the OP, I feel like we need to be aware of the dangers of concussions and believe we are better prepared than soccer coaches. At the same time, we might be overdoing it a bit too. I think you're spot-on with regards to football coaches being more knowledgeable when it comes to concussions. I do all of the S&C at this school as well as taping ankles, shin splints, and dealing with other aches and pains (only things within my professional scope) and we had a girl rebound her head off of the floor during a basketball game. The AD and the head basketball coach at the time came rushing up to me and asked me to "evaluate her". I told them, point blank, that a) I wasn't qualified to evaluate her and b) she had a concussion. Her head hit the floor HARD and I was surprised she wasn't knocked out. I told them they needed to get her to the doctor ASAP to make sure there wasn't something more serious. An argument ensued ("YOU DIDN'T EVEN EVALUATE HER!!") and her parents came out of the stands. THEY wanted me to "evaluate her" and I told them to get her a$$ to the doctor. Dad huffed and puffed but mom scooped her up and took her in. Sure as chit, she had a full blown concussion and was out of for three weeks. She couldn't even have a phone in front of her face for the first week as it would cause nasty headaches.
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Post by ropes on May 2, 2019 6:52:19 GMT -6
Concussions concussions concussions... Don't you know all sports have so many sports are conserned with this issue. I personally have never played football but I love to watch and when I played soccer under 12 I think you WERE NOTNOT allowed to head the ball and now in sailing some states make you where helmet. But after all it is about the safety of everyone!
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Post by bobgoodman on May 2, 2019 8:44:47 GMT -6
I'll pass. Referring to the concern over concussion-related health as a "brainwashing" isn't going to get anything accomplished, even if I think the game is getting safer every season. But...it's "concussion-related" only in a very loose way. The allegation regarding CTE is not that concussions are the problem, but that just the general knocking around of heads that doesn't show up as concussions leads to problems in the future. It's this concern that's scaring people off football (because that's what it's being promoted in connection to), and if we can show it to be mythic, then fewer people will be scared off it. Of course this could take a long time. People were still scared off silicone breast implants long after they were shown to be harmless, but eventually they came back. The same for some food additives. But you have to start some time, even if it takes a generation.
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klaby
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Post by klaby on May 3, 2019 7:34:24 GMT -6
I'll pass. Referring to the concern over concussion-related health as a "brainwashing" isn't going to get anything accomplished, even if I think the game is getting safer every season. Read the book...don't be like the uneducated masses and just read the headline. In the book several scientists and expert from not only the US but Canada and the UK give reasons why the science is one sided, why they say there is too much unknown to make and draw the conclusions they draw. I bet several here didn't even know some states had politicians putting bills on the floor to ban youth football! Why because one center and one scientist has made a blank statement that youth football causes CTE. There are 300 diagnosed cases of CTE in the WORLD...there are hundreds of thousands of football players playing football, and millions who have played football. READ THE BOOK! I bet you didn't know just how little transparency there is in this research. BU doesn't share any data outside of BU, yet BU is the go to research for all that is bad about concussions and CTE. Example Alzheimer research is open transparent everything is shared and reviewed by all schools and scientist trying to find a cure. There are boards of doctors and scientist constantly reviewing data and research. CTE is the exact opposite. I also bet most here don't know the ever changing way that concussions are now treated....days of no computers, no reading, low light, no TV are no more. They PT the brain like they do knees and ankles. If after you read the book you still think this way, then that is what it is. But to dismiss the information because of the title, that's putting your head in the sand....sorry just true. READ THE BOOK!
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Post by bobgoodman on May 4, 2019 18:52:35 GMT -6
I bet you didn't know just how little transparency there is in this research. BU doesn't share any data outside of BU, yet BU is the go to research for all that is bad about concussions and CTE. Boston University?
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klaby
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Post by klaby on May 15, 2019 10:59:41 GMT -6
I bet you didn't know just how little transparency there is in this research. BU doesn't share any data outside of BU, yet BU is the go to research for all that is bad about concussions and CTE. Boston University? yes Boston U.
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