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Post by carookie on Mar 5, 2019 20:21:57 GMT -6
I still think the big thing is convincing mom and dad that going to other "big name" school doesn't get anyone a better chance at a scholarship. That is reason #1 for most movement, gotta stop the big thing.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Mar 5, 2019 23:46:04 GMT -6
If you’re in area where it’s bad there isn’t a lot you can do.
Obviously as coaches we do everything we can to make our program appealing and try to educate and be fair to our parents. Unfortunately the current generation of parents (at least here in Southern California) want instant gratification as much if not more than the current generation of kids. If they think their little Johnny is going to be more of a Star and earn a scholarship at another high school and somehow it won’t happen at yours they’ll leap at it.
The programs that partake in poaching here in Southern California know this and send their low life street agents (usually 7-7 coaches or personal training guru types) to relay the message.
IMO as a coach it’s best just to not get caught up in it. Coach the kids you’ve got and let the loyal ones know they’ve got a special place in your heart.
I really do empathize with coaches that lose kids because of this. I’ve been on the wrong end of it before. To me it takes the fun out of coaching knowing schools just create all star teams and force every one else to eat their dust.
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 6, 2019 4:36:57 GMT -6
Fedderations,athletic associations will not violate state and potentially federal law. But forget for a moment, they can't uphold the rules as is not really do anything about it as is. You should want to teach and work with the best players you can get.
Your assumption and interpretation are faulty.
For example in our state a year ago a very high-profile basketball player who transferred to a defending state champion school was ruled ineligible by state association because of undue influence, the transfer was for athletic, not academic, reasons, and done without change of legal residence. It was upheld in court.
lol, can confirm that this happened. What a chit show.
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Post by rosey65 on Mar 6, 2019 7:05:25 GMT -6
I am going to keep this kiss for that small group of specials. IF,IF school choice lets kids transfer freely, however that method works. BY LAW, BY LAW, no athletic association will be able to determine that kid inelgible on any grounds.That is a long way from happening Though. Kids can transfer freely, yes. Kids can live in one house all 4 years and go to 4 different high schools. Shoot, kids can play football in one school, basketball at another, and baseball at a 3rd, and all in the same school year. You are correct in that. The question brought up by the OP, and I believe every other poster here, is the issue of a kid being RECRUITED by a coach, booster, or other school representative. Recruiting is, at some level and in most states, illegal. If a student has been found to have been recruited, the state can then deem that athlete ineligible. Whether or not the district, federation or even state has the balls to follow thru is irrelevant. The fact remains that RECRUITING athletes is illegal in public high school.
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Post by airraidallday on Mar 6, 2019 7:12:06 GMT -6
I am going to keep this kiss for that small group of specials. IF,IF school choice lets kids transfer freely, however that method works. BY LAW, BY LAW, no athletic association will be able to determine that kid inelgible on any grounds.That is a long way from happening Though. Kids can transfer freely, yes. Kids can live in one house all 4 years and go to 4 different high schools. Shoot, kids can play football in one school, basketball at another, and baseball at a 3rd, and all in the same school year. You are correct in that. The question brought up by the OP, and I believe every other poster here, is the issue of a kid being RECRUITED by a coach, booster, or other school representative. Recruiting is, at some level and in most states, illegal. If a student has been found to have been recruited, the state can then deem that athlete ineligible. Whether or not the district, federation or even state has the balls to follow thru is irrelevant. The fact remains that RECRUITING athletes is illegal in public high school. This is what I was referring too. The free transfer rule just makes the recruiting issue that much worse because its next to impossible to prove a 36.1 or 37.1 violation when theres nothing a kid has to prove in order to go to a new high school.
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Post by rosey65 on Mar 6, 2019 7:18:30 GMT -6
Kids can transfer freely, yes. Kids can live in one house all 4 years and go to 4 different high schools. Shoot, kids can play football in one school, basketball at another, and baseball at a 3rd, and all in the same school year. You are correct in that. The question brought up by the OP, and I believe every other poster here, is the issue of a kid being RECRUITED by a coach, booster, or other school representative. Recruiting is, at some level and in most states, illegal. If a student has been found to have been recruited, the state can then deem that athlete ineligible. Whether or not the district, federation or even state has the balls to follow thru is irrelevant. The fact remains that RECRUITING athletes is illegal in public high school. This is what I was referring too. The free transfer rule just makes the recruiting issue that much worse because its next to impossible to prove a 36.1 or 37.1 violation when theres nothing a kid has to prove in order to go to a new high school. Hahahaha, tight?? What a thread..... Brings me back to my original response.... f*** em. You cant do anything about it. Build relationships, be a good coach, let them know it's a mistake if they leave, and coach the ones you have really hard. We have the problem of the private schools recruiting, to the point they would be recruiting players AND coaches during spring 7on7 activities. We, all 17 public schools in my county, have severed all ties with the private schools. They still poach a few, but it isn't nearly as rampant. There are too many stories of us reporting recruiting and nothing was done to go into here. We still report, but we dont ever think something will be done. We've thrown up our hands, and just focused on coaching.
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Post by doubletight305 on Mar 6, 2019 7:44:15 GMT -6
This is what I was referring too. The free transfer rule just makes the recruiting issue that much worse because its next to impossible to prove a 36.1 or 37.1 violation when theres nothing a kid has to prove in order to go to a new high school. Hahahaha, tight?? What a thread..... Brings me back to my original response.... f*** em. You cant do anything about it. Build relationships, be a good coach, let them know it's a mistake if they leave, and coach the ones you have really hard. We have the problem of the private schools recruiting, to the point they would be recruiting players AND coaches during spring 7on7 activities. We, all 17 public schools in my county, have severed all ties with the private schools. They still poach a few, but it isn't nearly as rampant. There are too many stories of us reporting recruiting and nothing was done to go into here. We still report, but we dont ever think something will be done. We've thrown up our hands, and just focused on coaching. Coach, That's all that can be done, concentrate on coaching. Treat your kids well, do the best job you can. One of the things we do, and its still questionable ethically for me is that we highlight the failures of previous players that transferred out. Guys, Recruitville High promised Billy a scholarship to a major D1 school... but look guys, he signed to the same d3 he would have signed had he stayed here. In fact I have had kids that have completely regretted their decision to leave us come back and address the team. Look, the issue here is not the legality of the situation. for me its the ETHICS. Can I call/text DM the linebacker from the school down the street and lie to the kid and promise him playing time and a division 1 scholarship (when hes really a D3 kid)? Yes, I can do that and will more than likely get away with it. The real question is SHOULD I do that? Your answer to that question determines what type of coach you are.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Mar 6, 2019 8:21:42 GMT -6
If you’re in area where it’s bad there isn’t a lot you can do. Obviously as coaches we do everything we can to make our program appealing and try to educate and be fair to our parents. Unfortunately the current generation of parents (at least here in Southern California) want instant gratification as much if not more than the current generation of kids. If they think their little Johnny is going to be more of a Star and earn a scholarship at another high school and somehow it won’t happen at yours they’ll leap at it. The programs that partake in poaching here in Southern California know this and send their low life street agents (usually 7-7 coaches or personal training guru types) to relay the message. IMO as a coach it’s best just to not get caught up in it. Coach the kids you’ve got and let the loyal ones know they’ve got a special place in your heart. I really do empathize with coaches that lose kids because of this. I’ve been on the wrong end of it before. To me it takes the fun out of coaching knowing schools just create all star teams and force every one else to eat their dust.
This x 1,000.
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