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Post by somecoach on Feb 4, 2019 0:38:51 GMT -6
“Causal fans hated this Super Bowl, coaches loved it”-coaches twitter
Similar to how boxing experts love Floyd May weather because all he does his “win the round” rather than go for the knockout, this Super Bowl was all about clock control and good defense; and imo held up the integrity of the game in this pass happy; flag happy; mediocrity league the nfl has become.
-My big prediction regarding the pats defense was right,
The rams are a wide zone team that relies on their run game to set up play action
rather than take away the opponents best receiver by double coverage, I.e. tareek hill, Belichick’s goal was to load up the box and force Jared Goff to throw 40 passes.
In the Rams 3 losses this season Goff has a minimum of 40 Pass attempts. The patriots took away the run, this nullifying the effect playaction passing has on the coverage. Eventually Goff was going to make a mistake (as seen on that gift interception)... Goff has 38 attempts.
-patriots literally ran hoss y juke 3x in a row on the game winning drive, first one was the juke route to Edelman, second was the hitch, third was the seam throw to gronk that turned into a slot fade type throw to set up the goaline walk in td run.
-lesson from the patriots to implement in our game... many analysts will be screaming on the inter webs that’s “spread is dead” patriots won a Super Bowl with 21 personnel power football, be that as it may,
the patriots won with BALANCED football... it was the threat of the passing game out of the 21 personnel sets that allowed them to run the ball... as opposed to the rams who had all their chips down on wide zone and simply had no answer when it was taken away
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Post by lws55 on Feb 4, 2019 4:11:06 GMT -6
People are complaining that this was a boring Super Bowl, while others will talk about the great defense that was played. My question is that if the NFL is going to sell this as a great defensive battle, why did an offensive player get the MVP? Don't get me wrong I think Edelman had great game but if you only have one touchdown scored in the whole game and the guy getting the MVP didn't score it. This is the greatest QB in NFL history and the best offense in the NFL this season and they didn't manage a TD between them until the middle of the 4th quarter. Where is the love for the Defense?
The NFL is all about the offense and they want to remind the fans that "Yes there was some great offense in this game"
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Post by trenchwarfare58 on Feb 4, 2019 7:28:01 GMT -6
Both defensive game plans were excellent and very well executed. At the end of the game, a brilliant move by McDaniels to play with their big personnel but go empty to get the Rams to have to stay in their base defense made the difference.
I'm still a big time believer in McVay and think he will win his fair share of big games, but Belichick just proved once again that he is the best ever and was a step ahead most of the night.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 4, 2019 7:52:29 GMT -6
People are complaining that this was a boring Super Bowl, while others will talk about the great defense that was played. My question is that if the NFL is going to sell this as a great defensive battle, why did an offensive player get the MVP? Don't get me wrong I think Edelman had great game but if you only have one touchdown scored in the whole game and the guy getting the MVP didn't score it. This is the greatest QB in NFL history and the best offense in the NFL this season and they didn't manage a TD between them until the middle of the 4th quarter. Where is the love for the Defense? The NFL is all about the offense and they want to remind the fans that "Yes there was some great offense in this game" Our head coach is 100% offense. And this is the first thing I said to him when I came in this morning. To me it's despicable to not celebrate defense. On a side note the Rams kickers could boom. Their punter was exceptional.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 4, 2019 8:16:09 GMT -6
Did the Pats really take away the run though? Gurley only touched the ball 10 times. Only like twice in the first half. I thought BB was brilliant last night, but McVay for all his "offensive genius" crapped the bed.
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Post by mrjvi on Feb 4, 2019 8:19:47 GMT -6
Could be my imagination but I thought Goff looked a little "deer in the headlights". He is good and could be great but at this time in such a big game, he looked maybe, "overwhelmed"? Or maybe the defense for the PATS was just too stifling.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 4, 2019 8:44:03 GMT -6
Did the Pats really take away the run though? YES
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Post by fkaboneyard on Feb 4, 2019 8:52:27 GMT -6
Did the Pats really take away the run though? Gurley only touched the ball 10 times. Only like twice in the first half. I thought BB was brilliant last night, but McVay for all his "offensive genius" crapped the bed.
Rams' OL had a tough night too.
I thought this, too. Rams' OL was getting manhandled.
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Post by coacht on Feb 4, 2019 8:57:47 GMT -6
Did the Pats really take away the run though? Gurley only touched the ball 10 times. Only like twice in the first half. I thought BB was brilliant last night, but McVay for all his "offensive genius" crapped the bed. It seemed like the Pat's took away the Rams outside zone game early in the game and the Rams abandon the run game all together. They had some success with Anderson, and then with Gurley in the second half on the OZ stuff. But it just felt like they abandon it all together due to little success early. Thus, they didn't have their usual success with their PA game.
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Post by JoshC on Feb 4, 2019 9:07:06 GMT -6
Did the Pats really take away the run though? Gurley only touched the ball 10 times. Only like twice in the first half. I thought BB was brilliant last night, but McVay for all his "offensive genius" crapped the bed. It seemed like the Pat's took away the Rams outside zone game early in the game and the Rams abandon the run game all together. They had some success with Anderson, and then with Gurley in the second half on the OZ stuff. But it just felt like they abandon it all together due to little success early. Thus, they didn't have their usual success with their PA game. You could tell early on that the Patriots were taking away the PA game. I got real pumped up when the Rams ran naked on their 2nd or 3rd play and the Patriots LB just dropped the flat receiver before he could get out of the box.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 4, 2019 9:29:01 GMT -6
Is it taking it away if you quit trying to do it?
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Post by s73 on Feb 4, 2019 9:40:47 GMT -6
Is it taking it away if you quit trying to do it? Yes, if you quit trying to do it b/c you can't. 2 & long's not a winning recipe for anybody.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 4, 2019 9:46:31 GMT -6
Is it taking it away if you quit trying to do it? Yes, if you quit trying to do it b/c you can't. 2 & long's not a winning recipe for anybody. With Goff dropping back and passing, your odds of doing better on 2nd and long passing are probably less than running it. I don't think anyone would choose Goff over Gurley as the player they're giving the ball to in a crucial spot. Well, other than McVay. Gurley touched the ball, what. 3 times in the first half? That's giving up before you try.
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Post by s73 on Feb 4, 2019 9:54:42 GMT -6
My takeaways.
Execution still wins the day regardless of scheme.
Many NFL enthusiasts would have you believe that zone / power & counter are the only way to run the ball anymore. Was nice to see BB use alot of I form man blocking to make it go.
If you think about it, on the TD score motioning Gronk to kickout and leading thru w/ the FB is very "3 back mentality".
I thought it was genius. Pats obviously were concerend about Donald & Suh so they decided to man block more & not chance pulling as much and seemed to think that North & south right at them would be more efficient then trying to zone those 2 hoss'.
I think rams coulda taken a play out of that book. Always been concerned about the flat down the line block back by the center on the power / counter game & BB made them pay for it w/ the shade coming over the top & blowing it up thru the centers inside hip.
With all of that said.....Like I said above, not an indictment on any scheme, execution wins the day, new school or old, it's all good stuff.
JMO.
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Post by s73 on Feb 4, 2019 9:55:17 GMT -6
Yes, if you quit trying to do it b/c you can't. 2 & long's not a winning recipe for anybody. With Goff dropping back and passing, your odds of doing better on 2nd and long passing are probably less than running it. I don't think anyone would choose Goff over Gurley as the player they're giving the ball to in a crucial spot. Well, other than McVay. Gurley touched the ball, what. 3 times in the first half? That's giving up before you try. ok
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 4, 2019 9:57:24 GMT -6
Did you watch the Bears game? Goff has shown he can't handle it when you pressure him and make HIM win the game.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 4, 2019 9:59:41 GMT -6
Yes, if you quit trying to do it b/c you can't. 2 & long's not a winning recipe for anybody. With Goff dropping back and passing, your odds of doing better on 2nd and long passing are probably less than running it. I don't think anyone would choose Goff over Gurley as the player they're giving the ball to in a crucial spot. Well, other than McVay. Gurley touched the ball, what. 3 times in the first half? That's giving up before you try. The Patriots either took the run away or the will to run away or the desire to run away or the ability to call a successful run play away. Spin it how you want. They had 62 yards rushing.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 4, 2019 10:06:36 GMT -6
With Goff dropping back and passing, your odds of doing better on 2nd and long passing are probably less than running it. I don't think anyone would choose Goff over Gurley as the player they're giving the ball to in a crucial spot. Well, other than McVay. Gurley touched the ball, what. 3 times in the first half? That's giving up before you try. The Patriots either took the run away or the will to run away or the desire to run away or the ability to call a run successful run play away. Spin it how you want. They had 62 yards rushing. Again, convincing a young, seemingly deer in the headlights play caller that it won't work, is different than taking it away I think. Many kudos to the Pats, but I think the loss is more on McVay than a win for the D. I mean, he basically gave up after 6 plays. They were only down 3 at half and he completely panicked.
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Post by poundit52 on Feb 4, 2019 10:09:50 GMT -6
I thought the Pats O-line had a shot at the MVP. I know it's not 1 player, but a collective group effort that saw Brady only get sacked once and led the way for 154 team rushing yards. They were my second thought, behind the more predictable selection of Edelman.
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Post by coacht on Feb 4, 2019 10:18:54 GMT -6
Is it taking it away if you quit trying to do it? That's what I was trying to say, they took away OZ. Not their entire run game. The vertical, man scheme, straight ahead run game from Anderson was getting good chunks. Felt to me like they could've used that more and then supplemented with Gurley on the OZ, which they did do later in the game. And I agree with what you said in another post, it was 3-0 it wasn't like the Rams were truly forced to throw it.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 4, 2019 10:50:15 GMT -6
McVay really didn't have much choice but to air it out. Their running game wasn't just getting stuffed: it was getting stomped for a loss. They got stuck in 2nd and long time and time again; not much you can do BUT to air it out. So, they tried to throw it, Belichick brought pressure and teed off on Goff. The Pats gave up a few first downs in man-man coverage but it wasn't like the LBs or the secondary were getting burned; they were right on the heels of the WRs and made tackles.
Hats off to the Ram's defense though; they played quality football last night. They just couldn't come up with an answer for Edelman as the Pats used him well; they found great mistamatches and exploited them. I don't know that they could have come up with an answer either. He's a player that you just have to keep in front of you as much as possible.
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Post by poundit52 on Feb 4, 2019 10:57:11 GMT -6
2 quick observations: -I LOVED how the Pats went right after the Rams' D-line from the get-go. Whammed Suh on their first offensive snap. -The Pats absolutely drilled any underneath movement that Rams used on their split-zone runs and, more importantly, their play action. I think Goff only completed 1 pass to that split-zone crosser.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 4, 2019 11:09:15 GMT -6
Edelman, donald prove the 40 and bench are practically worthless. Athleticism is far more than that. Are you talking about Aaron Donald? The guy that benches 500? Edelman benched 225 14 times at pro day. No idea what he does now. How many of your high school team's offensive lineman could bench press 225 more times than that? And he is a slot. Edelman ran a 4.42 at his pro day. Donald ran a 4.68 at DT at the combine. How many of your high school backs can do that? Look, you can play or can't. Athleticism is more important. But bench and 40 are practically worthless. get outta here
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 4, 2019 11:37:53 GMT -6
lws55 Your point is well-taken but you can't give MVP to 11 players. Defense is a team proposition especially way Patriots played it in SB. Stephon Gilmore had an INT, a forced fumble, 3 pass deflections, and 5 tackles. He could have been named MVP.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Feb 4, 2019 11:47:50 GMT -6
Edelman, donald prove the 40 and bench are practically worthless. Athleticism is far more than that. Are you talking about Aaron Donald? The guy that benches 500? Edelman benched 225 14 times at pro day. No idea what he does now. How many of your high school team's offensive lineman could bench press 225 more times than that? And he is a slot. Edelman ran a 4.42 at his pro day. Donald ran a 4.68 at DT at the combine. How many of your high school backs can do that? Look, you can play or can't. Athleticism is more important. But bench and 40 are practically worthless. get outta here Aaron Donald’s issue was he was “short” He’s a 300 pound man with a 6 pack, that’s freaking scary.
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Post by fantom on Feb 4, 2019 12:10:07 GMT -6
Edelman, donald prove the 40 and bench are practically worthless. Athleticism is far more than that. Are you talking about Aaron Donald? The guy that benches 500? Edelman benched 225 14 times at pro day. No idea what he does now. How many of your high school team's offensive lineman could bench press 225 more times than that? And he is a slot. Edelman ran a 4.42 at his pro day. Donald ran a 4.68 at DT at the combine. How many of your high school backs can do that? Look, you can play or can't. Athleticism is more important. But bench and 40 are practically worthless. get outta here Here are Donald's combine results: www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Aaron-Donald?id=2543485
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Post by s73 on Feb 4, 2019 12:19:22 GMT -6
Are you talking about Aaron Donald? The guy that benches 500? Edelman benched 225 14 times at pro day. No idea what he does now. How many of your high school team's offensive lineman could bench press 225 more times than that? And he is a slot. Edelman ran a 4.42 at his pro day. Donald ran a 4.68 at DT at the combine. How many of your high school backs can do that? Look, you can play or can't. Athleticism is more important. But bench and 40 are practically worthless. get outta here Here are Donald's combine results: www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Aaron-Donald?id=2543485Ha, they p[rojected him as a "rotational 3 tech".....oops.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 4, 2019 12:30:23 GMT -6
There's an old saying (true or not) that "There is no defense for good offense." In other words if offense blocks and executes, it can't be stopped. Therefore some people feel that if offense isn't going up and down field, it's bad offense (probably play calling!) rather than good defense. have heard the poor play calling all day today. ignorant to think that bad plays by padawan mcvay and not great defense scheme by jedi master belichek stupid casual fans...
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Post by joelee on Feb 4, 2019 12:35:33 GMT -6
1 comment from the OC. 1 Drive. 3 straight calls of the same pass play. Thats the difference in the game and who holds up the trophy today.
“It was a pretty amazing thing,’’ said Allen, one of the beneficiaries of McDaniels’ invention. “Hats off to the Rams. They really knew us. They played us great. But football’s about in-game adjustments. Josh told us on the sideline, ‘We did not practice this at all coming into this game, and I realize that, but this is going off in my head, and it’s something I think we need to do.’ “
The Patriots had averaged 4.9 yards per play in the first 50 minutes of the game. On this drive, they averaged 13.8. New England played what it considers its athletic big offense, and it worked. Gronkowski beat linebacker Samson Ebukam up the right flank for 18 on first down, then hit Edelman on linebacker Cory Littleton for 13, then Burkhead in the left flat for seven, then Gronkowski between Littleton and Mark Barron down the left seam for 29. Sony Michel subbed in for a two-yard touchdown run. Five plays, 69 yards, TD. Pats, 10-3. -Peter King
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Post by jamesskeeler on Feb 4, 2019 12:50:06 GMT -6
Are you talking about Aaron Donald? The guy that benches 500? Edelman benched 225 14 times at pro day. No idea what he does now. How many of your high school team's offensive lineman could bench press 225 more times than that? And he is a slot. Edelman ran a 4.42 at his pro day. Donald ran a 4.68 at DT at the combine. How many of your high school backs can do that? Look, you can play or can't. Athleticism is more important. But bench and 40 are practically worthless. get outta here Edelman has 4.4 in his life. Nor has he ever won the 9 route. The same goes for Donald. Donald doesnt win with the bull rush. And it wasn't a knock on either gentlemen, twittercoach. aaron donald had double digit sacks while being doubled teamed a league high 71% of the time.... thats unheard of
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