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Post by tothehouse on Feb 8, 2019 23:13:02 GMT -6
Belichek speaks at a clinic about padding....
Coaches go through whole spiral notebook in an hour.
It would happen.
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Post by Victor on Feb 9, 2019 18:42:13 GMT -6
Anyone doing this using excel? in what way? I think some coaches here are confusing a game breakdown and obtaining some tendencies of the last 3 or 4 games with what is being described here. Why not use both worlds? You still need to get some tendencies for the draws, right?
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Post by mdunham on Feb 9, 2019 19:34:24 GMT -6
Yes, but my understanding padding is understanding how/why, not the what. And as much about understanding the individual players (alignments and techniques) in relation to the scheme.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 9, 2019 19:35:58 GMT -6
in what way? I think some coaches here are confusing a game breakdown and obtaining some tendencies of the last 3 or 4 games with what is being described here. Why not use both worlds? You still need to get some tendencies for the draws, right? Coach VictorIn your other posted thread related to getting coaches down to train/teach people the game of football in your country, you stated that there is very little knowledge of the game. Padding would be a GREAT exercise for learning coaches to examine the American game they see on TV (I'm assuming y'all get the games) and instead of watching that game as a fan -- cheering for a great throw/catch, tackle, etc.... they would be examining the game from a technical stand point. Example: take the Super Bowl as a recording: -Pause the game as each team lines up for the 1st play - draw what you see, in meticulous detail -Then run the play up until just right before the snap- what happened in the intervening time, every single detail -Then post snap, draw what every single person did on the that 1 play in vivid detail until the play is whistled dead -Then note the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of every person. Load play number 2 and repeat unti the game is done. Just think of all the things you have to condsider just at the time of alignment - OL splits, is a WR on or off the LOS, depth of the RB, is the OL stance tipping off anything, which way did the QB first look at he addressed the Formation, etc...
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2019 20:08:47 GMT -6
in what way? I think some coaches here are confusing a game breakdown and obtaining some tendencies of the last 3 or 4 games with what is being described here. Why not use both worlds? You still need to get some tendencies for the draws, right? Victor Sure, and people would. That is why I asked "in which way". I actually used Excel to "create" my own editing system for a program that didn't have the $$ to get one. This was before the hudl software existed, when exchanges were VHS tape. Not as old as actual guys who had to cut up and splice reels of film, but not as young as the guys who have only used hudl..lol. My point was that you wouldn't do what is described in the article as "padding" with excel. It is a completely different process with different goals.
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Post by Victor on Feb 9, 2019 21:59:19 GMT -6
Thanks for the reply guys, I appreciate the answers above, but I totally understand it before, pardon my french but what i was trying to say is after you pad a full game (paper and pencil) is there a way to put it on the digital world?
I say that because if you read some not so old articles about Matt Patricia when he was climbing the coaching ladders he introduced a way of scout without use pen and papers to Belichick, mainly using the computer.
Therefore, is virtually impossible unless you have that fancy gadget that you draw on it and goes straight to the pc? Normally artist use it.
I mean after the end of the day, all that info you gathered will be mostly only in your head or you filter before to upload to word/excel/power point archive?
Btw I love to pad games and need to do back again, sadly I think I have some of adhd, making it hard to do that old school job
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Post by Victor on Feb 9, 2019 22:01:49 GMT -6
Why not use both worlds? You still need to get some tendencies for the draws, right? Victor Sure, and people would. That is why I asked "in which way". I actually used Excel to "create" my own editing system for a program that didn't have the $$ to get one. This was before the hudl software existed, when exchanges were VHS tape. Not as old as actual guys who had to cut up and splice reels of film, but not as young as the guys who have only used hudl..lol. My point was that you wouldn't do what is described in the article as "padding" with excel. It is a completely different process with different goals. Do you mind share the file, please? I have a great template from a "scout firm" down here but needs to do a rework since got some flaws with a lot of data. I didnt tell the owner of it because he would ge a lot of money from my idea lol
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2019 22:13:29 GMT -6
Victor Sure, and people would. That is why I asked "in which way". I actually used Excel to "create" my own editing system for a program that didn't have the $$ to get one. This was before the hudl software existed, when exchanges were VHS tape. Not as old as actual guys who had to cut up and splice reels of film, but not as young as the guys who have only used hudl..lol. My point was that you wouldn't do what is described in the article as "padding" with excel. It is a completely different process with different goals. Do you mind share the file, please? I have a great template from a "scout firm" down here but needs to do a rework since got some flaws with a lot of data. I didnt tell the owner of it because he would ge a lot of money from my idea lol I don't think I have any files anymore. As I mentioned it was long ago. Basically I just used some standard fields for a defensive breakdown of the opponents offense (down, distance, hash, personnel grouping, formation, motion, play type, play name, result etc.) along with time codes from the VCR so that I could manually make cut up tapes and use the sort function to get some tendencies. I did not use any formulas or fancy Excel functions.
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Post by jml on Feb 10, 2019 4:42:10 GMT -6
Why not use both worlds? You still need to get some tendencies for the draws, right? Victor Sure, and people would. That is why I asked "in which way". I actually used Excel to "create" my own editing system for a program that didn't have the $$ to get one. This was before the hudl software existed, when exchanges were VHS tape. Not as old as actual guys who had to cut up and splice reels of film, but not as young as the guys who have only used hudl..lol. My point was that you wouldn't do what is described in the article as "padding" with excel. It is a completely different process with different goals. I still do this, but I'm trying to move it to google sheets so it is easier to share with my coaches etc. Problem I could figure out visual basic in excel and I am still lost in javascript in sheets.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 10, 2019 6:10:38 GMT -6
I agree, I was just answering the question. It would be horribly inefficient to pad as a consistent means of scouting. Something that I do think would be efficient and effective with similar development capabilities is for coaches to draw up their own scout cards from the script. Draw them daily, All 22 players reflecting motions, trades, stunts etc. change the script a bit each time if appropriate. For example, maybe on Monday you draw up the opponents running Power from a Pro I set against your Under Front with Quarters and later in the script maybe against an over front and cover 3. On Tuesday, Maybe a Twins I set, or a Motion from Pro to Twins vs a zone blitz and later a TE trade that forces you to adjust your front. On Wednesday, a Trade vs a zone blitz etc. Doing this will teach you the ins and outs and "Oh Craps" of your defense. I thought pretty much everyone did it this way. Except for the line up and run it guys. I have always wanted a way to streamline the scout cards because they take considerable time but have never found a better way than something similar to what you described.
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Post by bluboy on Feb 10, 2019 9:18:56 GMT -6
Victor:
Check your PM's.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 10, 2019 17:53:17 GMT -6
Something that I do think would be efficient and effective with similar development capabilities is for coaches to draw up their own scout cards from the script. Draw them daily, All 22 players reflecting motions, trades, stunts etc. change the script a bit each time if appropriate. For example, maybe on Monday you draw up the opponents running Power from a Pro I set against your Under Front with Quarters and later in the script maybe against an over front and cover 3. On Tuesday, Maybe a Twins I set, or a Motion from Pro to Twins vs a zone blitz and later a TE trade that forces you to adjust your front. On Wednesday, a Trade vs a zone blitz etc. Doing this will teach you the ins and outs and "Oh Craps" of your defense. I thought pretty much everyone did it this way. Except for the line up and run it guys. I have always wanted a way to streamline the scout cards because they take considerable time but have never found a better way than something similar to what you described. From what I have read here, the "streamlined" (shorter/easier ) efforts cost something in the end, especially for younger coaches. I think the process is the best way to learn the defense/offense in and out.
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