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Post by CS on Oct 20, 2018 8:58:00 GMT -6
Here is the situation. We picked up a preseason opponent this year that we had never played before.
I’ve got a couple of guys I played college ball with on the staff of a team that plays them in conference and one is the DC.
I ask the DC twice. First time he said he forgot and would go in the next day and send it. It never came so I left it alone (I’m assuming the HC said no)
Now they have a shot at #2 in the conference if they beat this team and the other guy on staff I know is asking me for our game against them.
I’m going to ask my HC what he thinks but I thought it was an interesting situation. Would you give them the film or not?
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Post by coachZL on Oct 20, 2018 10:07:20 GMT -6
Here is the situation. We picked up a preseason opponent this year that we had never played before. I’ve got a couple of guys I played college ball with on the staff of a team that plays them in conference and one is the DC. I ask the DC twice. First time he said he forgot and would go in the next day and send it. It never came so I left it alone (I’m assuming the HC said no) Now they have a shot at #2 in the conference if they beat this team and the other guy on staff I know is asking me for our game against them. I’m going to ask my HC what he thinks but I thought it was an interesting situation. Would you give them the film or not? If your HC is ok with giving them the film I would give it to them. In the league that we play in there was an agreement between all the head coaches that they would not trade league film with non league opponents. That could have been the case here. It may be worth asking this friend of yours why you couldn't get the film when you needed if. If anything just to put some frustrations behind you.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 20, 2018 11:25:52 GMT -6
Here is the situation. We picked up a preseason opponent this year that we had never played before. I’ve got a couple of guys I played college ball with on the staff of a team that plays them in conference and one is the DC. I ask the DC twice. First time he said he forgot and would go in the next day and send it. It never came so I left it alone (I’m assuming the HC said no) Now they have a shot at #2 in the conference if they beat this team and the other guy on staff I know is asking me for our game against them. I’m going to ask my HC what he thinks but I thought it was an interesting situation. Would you give them the film or not? If your HC is ok with giving them the film I would give it to them. In the league that we play in there was an agreement between all the head coaches that they would not trade league film with non league opponents. That could have been the case here. It may be worth asking this friend of yours why you couldn't get the film when you needed if. If anything just to put some frustrations behind you. Seems like everyone follows that agreement about as strictly as they follow speed limits.
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Post by CS on Oct 20, 2018 12:41:07 GMT -6
If your HC is ok with giving them the film I would give it to them. In the league that we play in there was an agreement between all the head coaches that they would not trade league film with non league opponents. That could have been the case here. It may be worth asking this friend of yours why you couldn't get the film when you needed if. If anything just to put some frustrations behind you. Seems like everyone follows that agreement about as strictly as they follow speed limits. No such agreement. HC was being a tight a$$ about film. It’s weird though because I was asking for last years film and we played their opponent in week 2 Anyway my friend didn’t know I had asked earlier this year and my HC said no to giving them film. I, for the record, would not have given them film had it been my choice either
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Post by agap on Oct 20, 2018 13:01:55 GMT -6
I wouldn't have given them film.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 20, 2018 13:43:15 GMT -6
Seems like everyone follows that agreement about as strictly as they follow speed limits. No such agreement. HC was being a tight a$$ about film. It’s weird though because I was asking for last years film and we played their opponent in week 2 Anyway my friend didn’t know I had asked earlier this year and my HC said no to giving them film. I, for the record, would not have given them film had it been my choice either I just meant that even before hudl and everything it seems like all these coaches make these agreements about not trading film out of conference or league but they all do anyway. I just don’t worry too much about film trade. Film is like a dirty girl, everyone who wants it can get it.
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Post by carookie on Oct 20, 2018 16:00:23 GMT -6
Why not give them the film (excluding pre-arranged league argeements)? Some sort of pride thing to prove to them that "ha, nobody screws with us"?
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Post by fantom on Oct 20, 2018 16:11:29 GMT -6
I think that if you're an assistant and somebody asks for film the answer always is, "I have to ask the HC".
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Post by agap on Oct 20, 2018 19:13:41 GMT -6
Why not give them the film (excluding pre-arranged league argeements)? Some sort of pride thing to prove to them that "ha, nobody screws with us"? I think most coaches know that if you want film of a team, you need to also share film. Most coaches I know will offer film when they ask for film themselves.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 20, 2018 19:49:11 GMT -6
Here is the situation. We picked up a preseason opponent this year that we had never played before. I’ve got a couple of guys I played college ball with on the staff of a team that plays them in conference and one is the DC. I ask the DC twice. First time he said he forgot and would go in the next day and send it. It never came so I left it alone (I’m assuming the HC said no) Now they have a shot at #2 in the conference if they beat this team and the other guy on staff I know is asking me for our game against them. I’m going to ask my HC what he thinks but I thought it was an interesting situation. Would you give them the film or not? Wait.. so you called the "Bears" to get last years film on the "Tigers" because you had nothing to go on...and it never came. Now the "Bears" are trying to get your THIS year film on the Tigers, even though they will get the regular 2-3 exchange films on them? Wow..that is a bit ballsy
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 20, 2018 20:30:40 GMT -6
It would be considered unethical to give them film in our classification..outside of what is required through our exchange system. Plus= screw them.
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Post by CS on Oct 21, 2018 8:00:18 GMT -6
Your balls are bigger than his!!! Great!And nobody cares. Not the point. Give them the film. You’re awesome
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Post by CS on Oct 21, 2018 8:17:14 GMT -6
I just don't understand the pi--ing match. At some point somebody says enough to the non sense. You’re awesome
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Post by CS on Oct 21, 2018 11:42:50 GMT -6
Why not give them the film (excluding pre-arranged league argeements)? Some sort of pride thing to prove to them that "ha, nobody screws with us"? Reality is that my HC said no Me personally, IMO they made the choice and said we aren’t trading film on our conference opponents. Why now all of a sudden it’s ok to go looking for film? When it conveniences them it’s ok? I made it clear to my buddy they could have our film if they wanted it and I still got nothing. My opinion is they didn’t realize that they would be in this situation
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 21, 2018 12:56:14 GMT -6
Reality is that my HC said no Me personally, IMO they made the choice and said we aren’t trading film on our conference opponents. Why now all of a sudden it’s ok to go looking for film? When it conveniences them it’s ok? I made it clear to my buddy they could have our film if they wanted it and I still got nothing. My opinion is they didn’t realize that they would be in this situation because you don't when you will need that film from them. A yes from you when they do not deserve it, resonates. They do not deserve the film. And you do not owe it to them. At some point somebody remembers that mercy. And comes from a guy who will p-ss in your Cheerios guy. Yeah, they did know when they "needed" that film from them. Already happened this year. cs 's team needed film from these guys, and they didn't deliver. Now they want (don't need, as they presumably are getting film in the exchange) film.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 21, 2018 13:19:01 GMT -6
Yeah, they did know when they "needed" that film from them. Already happened this year. cs 's team needed film from these guys, and they didn't deliver. Now they want (don't need, as they presumably are getting film in the exchange) film. I get what happened... Then why start your reply with "you don't know when you will need that film from them" ?
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Post by fantom on Oct 21, 2018 14:56:01 GMT -6
Then why start your reply with "you don't know when you will need that film from them" ? . You never know when you might need a film in the future. Doesn't matter because the boss said, "No".
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Post by carookie on Oct 21, 2018 14:57:05 GMT -6
Why not give them the film (excluding pre-arranged league argeements)? Some sort of pride thing to prove to them that "ha, nobody screws with us"? Reality is that my HC said noMe personally, IMO they made the choice and said we aren’t trading film on our conference opponents. Why now all of a sudden it’s ok to go looking for film? When it conveniences them it’s ok? I made it clear to my buddy they could have our film if they wanted it and I still got nothing. My opinion is they didn’t realize that they would be in this situation Ahhhh, I missed that part. Thats the big part, my bad.
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Post by blb on Oct 21, 2018 15:02:22 GMT -6
Then why start your reply with "you don't know when you will need that film from them" ? . You never know when you might need a film in the future. Doesn't matter because the boss said, "No".
Good rule is never give without getting or having gotten previously.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 21, 2018 15:04:02 GMT -6
Then why start your reply with "you don't know when you will need that film from them" ? . You never know when you might need a film in the future. Doesn't matter because the boss said, "No". YOu never know when you might need film in the future from a team that already rejected you this year, then had the balls to ask you for film??
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Post by fantom on Oct 21, 2018 15:11:10 GMT -6
. You never know when you might need a film in the future. Doesn't matter because the boss said, "No". YOu never know when you might need film in the future from a team that already rejected you this year, then had the balls to ask you for film?? . Yep. It isn't personal. It's business.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 21, 2018 15:29:05 GMT -6
YOu never know when you might need film in the future from a team that already rejected you this year, then had the balls to ask you for film?? . Yep. It isn't personal. It's business. Yeah, I get that part. My part is they already showed you that they weren't willing to trade film when you actually REALLY could have used it (early in season, no previous film).
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Post by CS on Oct 21, 2018 15:36:20 GMT -6
YOu never know when you might need film in the future from a team that already rejected you this year, then had the balls to ask you for film?? . Yep. It isn't personal. It's business. I understand that completely and I personally don’t know their HC but they knew we were going to play them and they are in their conference. Me reaching out would have been a solid opportunity for them to get film next year as well. This guy isn’t stupid so more than likely he will never cough up film if he knew the trade ultimately would have benefited him more than us in the long run
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 21, 2018 16:59:36 GMT -6
Then why start your reply with "you don't know when you will need that film from them" ? You never know when the guy you are saying yes or no to now, will be able to say or no to you later. Never know when somebody will be somewhere else. I understand that. But my point is the guy ALREADY SAID NO TO YOU, just a few weeks ago.
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Post by CS on Oct 21, 2018 17:32:51 GMT -6
I understand that. But my point is the guy ALREADY SAID NO TO YOU, just a few weeks ago. my response is you worry about you. Doesn't benefit anybody if you go fit for that. And you have no idea what or who is on the other end. I hate the answer but it's the right answer. You don’t know sh!t. I’m still friends with the the two guys who work for him and in the future I am certain we will help each other when needed. It’s not the right answer it’s your opinion. It benefits them only to get our film because I won’t need it next year. I just wanted to know what style offense they ran before getting 1 film on them. If they would have helped me out they would get our film as long as we played them which is at least this year and next.
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Post by CS on Oct 21, 2018 17:37:01 GMT -6
YOu never know when you might need film in the future from a team that already rejected you this year, then had the balls to ask you for film?? . Yep. It isn't personal. It's business. And how is that good business? Me giving film without receiving?
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Post by carookie on Oct 21, 2018 18:22:17 GMT -6
. Yep. It isn't personal. It's business. And how is that good business? Me giving film without receiving? I am not advocating a quid pro quo here (I was originally all-in-favor of simply trading the film until I learned that your head coach said no). That being written, it could be good business by you giving now and not getting anything in return because it may put them in a situation where they "owe you one" or feel like they do. In the end you giving them the film doesnt cost you to lose the film itself- this isnt a zero sum action where there is litterally only one copy of the film to be had; so you trading the film doesn't technically cost you anything (except maybe a minute of your time). Of course all that is hypothetical, because HC already said 'no'; had he not though you really don't lose anything by sharing.
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Post by CS on Oct 21, 2018 18:44:59 GMT -6
And how is that good business? Me giving film without receiving? I am not advocating a quid pro quo here (I was originally all-in-favor of simply trading the film until I learned that your head coach said no). That being written, it could be good business by you giving now and not getting anything in return because it may put them in a situation where they "owe you one" or feel like they do. In the end you giving them the film doesnt cost you to lose the film itself- this isnt a zero sum action where there is litterally only one copy of the film to be had; so you trading the film doesn't technically cost you anything (except maybe a minute of your time). Of course all that is hypothetical, because HC already said 'no'; had he not though you really don't lose anything by sharing. I’m more working through this as an in the future scenario for when I have to make the call. I can scapegoat because of the HC’s decision but I truly wouldn’t want to send it anyway. If he would have said that it was my call I would not have sent it. Like @coach5085 said, they don’t need it they just want it. I actually needed it and got the film I wanted from another team but went to them first.
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Post by fantom on Oct 21, 2018 19:42:09 GMT -6
. Yep. It isn't personal. It's business. And how is that good business? Me giving film without receiving? . You coaching next year or the year after? I didn't say I'd just let it go. I'd remind of what happened and let him know that he owes us a favor.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2018 21:35:52 GMT -6
Game theory is pretty clear on this. You don’t give them the film. It would actually be mutually beneficial to not give them the film AND explain why. “We aren’t giving film because you didnt give film to us. However, if you need film next year, feel free to ask and we will be glad to provide, provided y’all are also willing to reciprocate when we ask.” spreadattackChris Clement
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