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Post by Defcord on Oct 18, 2018 11:16:02 GMT -6
" ok get on the line. ..we are fuking running you puss#s.....we just fukin didnt work at all in the weight you you motherfukers..you guys are fukin pussys....our qb gets late hit in the {censored} game and you {censored} do nothing...i would have kicked someone in the {censored} nuts..... {censored} {censored}...we are going to keep {censored} running...and if you dont like the way im {censored} talking you mother {censored} can go ton the superintendent and have me reomved....." something along those lines I see as excessive...others may not That reminded me of this... I grew up in Indiana and loved Bob Knight but I have gotten older and wonder if he could have won without some of the over the top antics. I always try to think if it were my son being coached would I allow it. I think I would let me kid play for Knight but if there were other options I may encourage him to take them. (I won't have to worry about the scholarship situation though unless there's a Fortnite scholarship opportunity he is working for...which is a whole other discussion).
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Post by CS on Oct 18, 2018 16:27:12 GMT -6
The only cursing I do is like, “and if he comes across the middle you knock his d!ck through his a$$hole,” never would use fuk even though I use it constantly in normal speech and would never cuss a kid even if he stepped on my toe in cleats
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Post by fkaboneyard on Oct 18, 2018 20:21:14 GMT -6
The only cursing I do is like, “and if he comes across the middle you knock his d!ck through his a$$hole,” never would use fuk even though I use it constantly in normal speech and would never cuss a kid even if he stepped on my toe in cleats
This is hilarious on several levels and I personally don't use profanity.
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Post by coachscdub on Oct 19, 2018 3:54:19 GMT -6
I curse all the time. But i never curse directly at a kid, i never say "you ___" or anything of that nature, i never use it in reference to the kids. I tell our kids that there is a time and place for everything and if they want to curse around me during indy time or practice time that is fine but that they cannot curse at any other player including their teammates. I also make it a point to note that they can say whatever they want around me but come game day they cannot curse on the field as they will cost the team a penalty. I have been doing this for a few years now and i have never had one of our kids called for cursing on the field, or cursing at a ref.
I think coaches put WAY WAY WAY too much emphasize on little things like this. Kids are kids and they curse, it isnt our job to teach them not to curse however it is part of our job (atleast as i perceive it) to educate them on when and where to do things.
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Post by planck on Oct 19, 2018 8:09:45 GMT -6
Wait wait wait, are we arguing if cursing is immoral? That's something else entirely.
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Post by planck on Oct 19, 2018 8:27:26 GMT -6
Well I guess we disagree.
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Post by carookie on Oct 19, 2018 8:58:35 GMT -6
Wait wait wait, are we arguing if cursing is immoral? That's something else entirely. I don't think the discussion is about morality, individual morality varies so greatly that this discussion will get us nowhere. But many in society feel that there are specific words that are inappropriate, clearly or else we wouldn't be having this discussion. As such, we have to understand that there may be social repercussions that could eventually reach our admin and impact our jobs. Morality is like driving on the freeway (anyone who is faster than you is crazy anyone slower than you is an old gramma), with morality anyone who is more permissive than you is crazy and anyone more conservative than you is too uptight. So we just try to evaluate things off the median opinion or where the masses stand.
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Post by doitforthekids on Oct 19, 2018 9:18:30 GMT -6
They are words until used to attack someone. The concept of "curse words" drives me insane! Most literally have the same definition as another word but are given a status as "bad". Using "curse words" ISN'T AN ISSUE, DEMEANING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING IS!!!
I can come up with plenty of ways to verbally attack someone WITHOUT CURSING. "Curse words" are JUST WORDS, how you treat your kids is the real problem.
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Post by planck on Oct 19, 2018 10:40:38 GMT -6
Wait wait wait, are we arguing if cursing is immoral? That's something else entirely. I don't think the discussion is about morality, individual morality varies so greatly that this discussion will get us nowhere. But many in society feel that there are specific words that are inappropriate, clearly or else we wouldn't be having this discussion. As such, we have to understand that there may be social repercussions that could eventually reach our admin and impact our jobs. Morality is like driving on the freeway (anyone who is faster than you is crazy anyone slower than you is an old gramma), with morality anyone who is more permissive than you is crazy and anyone more conservative than you is too uptight. So we just try to evaluate things off the median opinion or where the masses stand. Not to get too philosophical or anything, but that's some dangerous relativism. Either way, I think there's a difference between dividing socially acceptable / unacceptable behavior and moral/immoral behavior. Sure, the latter is a subset of the former, but they're hardly the same thing.
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Post by option1st on Oct 19, 2018 11:50:49 GMT -6
During summer at the end of practice when everybody was circled up our offensive coordinator was giving the end of practice talk. He said something to the effect of, "We need to be focused so that we know our jobs. Our first opponent is big and physical, if we don't know our jobs we'll get our asses handed to us." A freshman kid told his mom that "coach used the 'A' word at practice". The mom came unglued and wanted him fired (which didn't happen). It shouldn't come as a surprise that the kid is an absolute turd and curses more in one practice than an NWA cd on loop. ^^ This is the stuff that makes me sick and scares me at the same time. We all know this can happen anytime. I have never and would never cuss a kid or call any kid any name for that matter. That's classless. You definitely don't have to or don't need to cuss to be an effective Coach. I will say, when allowed the Sh*t, Da*n and As* words, my pregame speeches definitely go to another level.
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Post by carookie on Oct 19, 2018 12:02:06 GMT -6
I don't think the discussion is about morality, individual morality varies so greatly that this discussion will get us nowhere. But many in society feel that there are specific words that are inappropriate, clearly or else we wouldn't be having this discussion. As such, we have to understand that there may be social repercussions that could eventually reach our admin and impact our jobs. Morality is like driving on the freeway (anyone who is faster than you is crazy anyone slower than you is an old gramma), with morality anyone who is more permissive than you is crazy and anyone more conservative than you is too uptight. So we just try to evaluate things off the median opinion or where the masses stand. Not to get too philosophical or anything, but that's some dangerous relativism. Either way, I think there's a difference between dividing socially acceptable / unacceptable behavior and moral/immoral behavior. Sure, the latter is a subset of the former, but they're hardly the same thing. I agree with your point, thats what I was writing. I don't think the issue is whether or not foul language is immoral as much as it is socially unacceptable.
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Post by carookie on Oct 19, 2018 14:38:21 GMT -6
Socially unacceptable to who? Certainly not the kids. You sit our stands, certainly ok with parents... I would think in my school and community it would be unacceptable, in fact every community I have been a part of. Just because the kids use that language doesn't mean it is acceptable to the community as a whole. I can think of a lot of things that kids do that doesn't mean its acceptable. Heck I was cussing up a blue streak as a 9-year-old; but I don't think many parents would find it acceptable for me to be using that language while talking with a group of 9-year-olds. That being written, if it is acceptable in your community then thats how it is there (and I write that truthfully, with no sarcasm). You would know your community better than I would, and if it is acceptable there then you probably won't have a problem. Although we as coaches bounce around a lot, and work our ways through various diverse communities; some may be more accepting of cursing others not so much. I'd be wary about using that language if I wasn't 100% certain that it would be accepted, and its darn sure not a hill I'd be willing to die on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 8:09:31 GMT -6
If its not old school Miami Central level i say no foul
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 20, 2018 17:53:03 GMT -6
At one stop our head coach had a meeting over saying "dog doo doo" bc his "tone was aggressive" yet that step dad said fuhk the first 2 times i met him. I hate people.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Oct 25, 2018 8:04:48 GMT -6
There's a time and a place for language. Working with kids is no place to use foul language unless you're cool with them doing the same. Around here, you wouldn't have a job for very long.
Hanging with your boys on a Saturday night watching college ball? Have at it.
I'm continually amazed by the mantra that football is a game of discipline that is often directly contradicted by those running the show whether through foul language or losing their minds on the sideline or saying something inappropriate to parents or degrading an athlete at practice or...
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Post by coachcb on Oct 25, 2018 8:55:59 GMT -6
During summer at the end of practice when everybody was circled up our offensive coordinator was giving the end of practice talk. He said something to the effect of, "We need to be focused so that we know our jobs. Our first opponent is big and physical, if we don't know our jobs we'll get our asses handed to us." A freshman kid told his mom that "coach used the 'A' word at practice". The mom came unglued and wanted him fired (which didn't happen). It shouldn't come as a surprise that the kid is an absolute turd and curses more in one practice than an NWA cd on loop. Ugh, {censored} that lady. Yeah, that's a situation that would irritate me as well. But, it can serve as a learning opportunity for all of us. You never know when a parent is going to throw a fit over some PG-13 language. And, you also never know how seriously the administration is going to take it. We've always banned the f-bomb as that just can't be defended. With that being said, it's not a far cry for someone to complain about a "damn" or a "hell" and you're stuck dealing with it.
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