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Post by airraider on Oct 17, 2018 18:47:26 GMT -6
Yea we actually beat them in the playoffs 2 years ago on our way to a quarterfinal run. They, like us, had around 25 kids or so. Sad part, they have actually had some great teams over the years...
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Post by fantom on Oct 17, 2018 20:00:04 GMT -6
Yea we actually beat them in the playoffs 2 years ago on our way to a quarterfinal run. They, like us, had around 25 kids or so. Sad part, they have actually had some great teams over the years... When your school has 95 students numbers may be a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 8:04:32 GMT -6
Really? Where are you at? Here basketball starts practicing about halfway through the football season. The basketball season is going during the football playoffs. Then baseball, wrestling, and even track may start practice before basketball is done. I forget whose seasons Fishing and Bowling overlap with. Then we have sports like cross country that are going on at the same time as football season. I've had kids do both before at the same time because the AD was cross country coach and needed people. Illinois. If the football team makes a deep playoff run, they might overlap the beginning of the basketball season, but most teams in the state are done with football before basketball is allowed to begin In Tennessee, the first football playoff game is 11/2. About 60% of teams qualify for the first round, with some teams automatically qualifying each year due to the seeding structure. Winter sports (basketball and wrestling) practice starts 10/29 and games begin 11/12, but "open gym" is de facto mandatory in some places for about a month before that. I thought the basketball dates were much earlier because of how the basketball coaches I've worked with have always treated "open gym" and how some players would quit to focus on basketball around midseason. We're not the only sport with this overlap. Basketball postseason tournaments (which include every single team in the first 2 rounds) begin 2/20. Spring sport practices (baseball, track, etc.) begin 2/11. Practicing baseball or running track in mid-February is about as fun as it sounds. We're in the south, but not that far south. Almost all our snowfall and winter weather happens in Jan.-Feb.
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Post by airraider on Oct 19, 2018 10:32:38 GMT -6
Yea we actually beat them in the playoffs 2 years ago on our way to a quarterfinal run. They, like us, had around 25 kids or so. Sad part, they have actually had some great teams over the years... When your school has 95 students numbers may be a problem.
Yea, we have 118. Problem is, our senior class is our biggest class with 33 and junior class is 2nd biggest with 32.
All of our jr high classes are under 25. Usually our classes end up bigger in junior high and we lose kids as they get older. But we are starting out small now.
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Post by veerwego on Oct 25, 2018 11:53:41 GMT -6
Last game of regular season is Friday. Winter sports start Monday. They can have open season practices, but we have the rule that if you quit, you cannot participate in anything until the season of the team you quit is over. It hasn't been enforced here in the past, but is now. We really encourage kids to come out for spring ball and "try" football and if they don't like it, no hard feelings.
We play in our state's largest classification and in the toughest region in the state. Probably 4 of the best 10 teams in our state in our region. We are the smallest school in this region (one of the smallest in our classification) and one of three schools in our school district that are in our region. Our school district is one of the worst in the state in terms of football success, tradition, support, and resources. We started the season with 58 on varsity and due to quitters, removing players, season ending injuries, and short-term injuries, we dressed 40 Friday night.
I am playing a RT that was literally in the band last year and had no business being on the field with our opponents. We have lost several lineman and worry greatly about if we are putting our QB and RBs are in a dangerous situation. We have at least had to think about where do you draw a line for safety sake and forfeit. We do not want that, but we look like a 9th grade team compared to our opponents in warm ups. We will make through this last game Friday against one of the best teams in the state (double our enrollment) and they are a classy program that will play backups early, but we are not sure that we can field a team next year that can play against our competition without being at a much higher level (than any normal football game) of risk of injury. I don't know how you quantify it, but I know on the sidelines it gets scary for our kids' safety at times.
In my first year, we are 0-9 (1-9 last year, 18 game losing streak) and our closest game has been a 26 pt loss. For the season we have scored 114 to 434. The teams we play in region have basically limitless budgets and ours is 15 grand. We practice on a 65 yd field (all 3 teams use it and share it with the band) and have to have volunteers to coach our C and D teams which have won 3 games this year. We are much closer to losing football all together than ever competing in our region. Our district allows transfers, so their are several D-1 players that should be here that are not and this isn't going to change. The better schools in our region have multiple middle schools that feed them with 7th and 8th grade teams and multiple paid coaches, we will never have this and the way our district does ms football is a disaster.
Point is, we cannot compete with these teams. If we had the kids that our supposed to be here, we would have most likely won our first 3 games, but most of our good players transfer b/c they know we cannot compete in our region and they don't want to get the crap kicked out of them every week. There are not kids walking the halls that could help up compete in our region. Hearing that several of our returning starters (we lose 14 starters to graduation) are planning on not playing next year. We will start having conversations with them next week. Like I said earlier, we are worried about the potential to not be able to field a team next year that we can put on the field against many of our opponents without a greater than normal risk of injury. Again, the main concern is in an oline that cannot protect the QB and RBs.
For us to be able to compete, it is gonna take years like what CanyonCoach described. It will also take a much more help from the district, which we are unlikely to get. If we have to forfeit part of the season next year, football may never come back.
If you are the guy that thinks I am a loser and has given up, please keep your thoughts to your self. I have played and coached on championship teams and know what it takes. We have great kids and they have had great attitudes and worked hard all season. In several of our blowout losses, I have felt like, given our talent and ability, our kids have played about as well as they could have. We have had 24 kids make perfect attendance at our M/W 7 am lifts this season and most of the rest only missed once or twice and missed game time as a result. We have character ed, service projects, and plenty of fun and laughs. I think are kids have largely enjoyed football and I want it to keep being something special in their lives. Would love to hear any thoughts on anything you guys have heard of for similar situations or have been through that might help.
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 5, 2019 21:46:13 GMT -6
7th and 8th graders can play varsity football? That is crazy. How is that possibly safe? Sounds like a lawsuit just waiting to happen. Heck...in the 20 or so years I have been around high school football, I have never even seen a FRESHMAN who was a legitimate varsity football player, never mind kids still in middle school!
Just saw this thread. Have seen a few. very few, but have saw them.
With parents now redshirting a few 8th graders, 9th grades starting has become common.
I have started a few freshmen myself.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 5, 2019 22:01:08 GMT -6
7th and 8th graders can play varsity football? That is crazy. How is that possibly safe? Sounds like a lawsuit just waiting to happen. Heck...in the 20 or so years I have been around high school football, I have never even seen a FRESHMAN who was a legitimate varsity football player, never mind kids still in middle school!
Just saw this thread. Have seen a few. very few, but have saw them.
With parents now redshirting a few 8th graders, 9th grades starting has become common.
I have started a few freshmen myself.
Oh, I've seen freshmen start on varsity but not because they were legitimate varsity football players. The "redshirt" freshman would make sense because he is technically a sophomore. I have seen a handful of sophs who were legitimate varsity players. But freshmen...never. Not once. And my own kid has been a 2-way varsity starter since his freshmen year. But that was due to low varsity numbers, not because he was a legit varsity player.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 6, 2019 7:19:41 GMT -6
Just saw this thread. Have seen a few. very few, but have saw them.
With parents now redshirting a few 8th graders, 9th grades starting has become common.
I have started a few freshmen myself.
Oh, I've seen freshmen start on varsity but not because they were legitimate varsity football players. The "redshirt" freshman would make sense because he is technically a sophomore. I have seen a handful of sophs who were legitimate varsity players. But freshmen...never. Not once. And my own kid has been a 2-way varsity starter since his freshmen year. But that was due to low varsity numbers, not because he was a legit varsity player. There are always freaks.. Fournette opened his high school career with 4 straight 200+ yard rushing games as a Frosh in the largest classification in Louisiana.
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 6, 2019 8:54:20 GMT -6
Just saw this thread. Have seen a few. very few, but have saw them.
With parents now redshirting a few 8th graders, 9th grades starting has become common.
I have started a few freshmen myself.
Oh, I've seen freshmen start on varsity but not because they were legitimate varsity football players. The "redshirt" freshman would make sense because he is technically a sophomore. I have seen a handful of sophs who were legitimate varsity players. But freshmen...never. Not once. And my own kid has been a 2-way varsity starter since his freshmen year. But that was due to low varsity numbers, not because he was a legit varsity player.
I guess it depends. I have started legitimate freshmen starters. I had a 6'4 260 OT start as a freshmen a few years ago.
Also, lost a playoff game twice to a freshmen QB...
I guess it depends, it's not the norm but here at least once a year at our highest classification, I see a freshman that is a man amongst boys.
And the amount of Sophomores is unreal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 8:25:45 GMT -6
Oh, I've seen freshmen start on varsity but not because they were legitimate varsity football players. The "redshirt" freshman would make sense because he is technically a sophomore. I have seen a handful of sophs who were legitimate varsity players. But freshmen...never. Not once. And my own kid has been a 2-way varsity starter since his freshmen year. But that was due to low varsity numbers, not because he was a legit varsity player. There are always freaks.. Fournette opened his high school career with 4 straight 200+ yard rushing games as a Frosh in the largest classification in Louisiana. Wasn’t Fournette a “redshirt soph” by age, though? A few years ago a “freshman phenom” RB was tearing it up at one of the largest HS in our state. Then the paper ran a story about him celebrating his 16th birthday during the season. He was older that I was during my sophomore year.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 10, 2019 18:41:37 GMT -6
There are always freaks.. Fournette opened his high school career with 4 straight 200+ yard rushing games as a Frosh in the largest classification in Louisiana. Wasn’t Fournette a “redshirt soph” by age, though? A few years ago a “freshman phenom” RB was tearing it up at one of the largest HS in our state. Then the paper ran a story about him celebrating his 16th birthday during the season. He was older that I was during my sophomore year. he was 15
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Post by CoachM58 on Apr 10, 2019 21:14:06 GMT -6
How can you quit a sport to play another sport? Our school has a rule that if you don't finish the season in good standing you can't play in the nexts seasons sport regardless of why. THIS NEEDS TO BE A UNIVERSALLY MANDATED RULE!!!
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 11, 2019 5:57:03 GMT -6
Try to ease in the rule on quitting by saying they just can't start basketball until football is over. 5 years from now the rule on if you quit FB you can't play BB will be easier to enforce.
I started 8th graders on varsity and went 5-5. One picked off 2 passes in front of 1K people (school of 200) HC night. Pretty rad.
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