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Post by silkyice on Sept 25, 2018 10:32:58 GMT -6
But getting ejected and suspended for the next game? Overkill much?
I already said in the fourth post this thread I thought ejection-suspension was extreme.
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 25, 2018 10:34:02 GMT -6
yeah they need to publish a list of words that get you flagged and I definitely want to see that list because it would be hialrious
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Post by fantom on Sept 25, 2018 12:07:34 GMT -6
yeah they need to publish a list of words that get you flagged and I definitely want to see that list because it would be hialrious I know some guys who could probably suggest some that were left off. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 25, 2018 19:34:51 GMT -6
Kids play baseball or join the scouts to learn how to cuss.
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Post by klaby on Oct 4, 2018 14:58:49 GMT -6
so we pass a law? What happened to responsibility? Shame? What happened to child rearing? NONE OF YOU WOULD DARE ADMIT TO LETTING THE VILLAGE RAISE THE IDIOTS CHILD!!! We do have laws. If you swear loudly in public, you can be charged with disorderly conduct. If you swear at someone, you can be charged with harassment AND disorderly conduct. And, yes, it shouldn't be my responsibility as a teacher and a coach to teach a 17 year old kid that hollering out "you're a piece of chit!" in the middle class is inappropriate. But, unfortunately, it is. Ahh not so fast. Using profanity in itself is not DC. In order to be charged with DC, is conduct that tends to cause or provoke a disturbance. Case law is established that the use or profane language in its self may not necessarily cause or provoke a disturbance. Harassment is continued behavior for the sole purpose of harassing a person. Meaning you continue the conduct after being told to stop. Also DC there must be others disturbed by the conduct besides the Copper. However I will say with proper articulation in the report DC can and will apply to most anything I want it to that pisses me off....its the catch all. But if not properly supported in the report the Judge will toss that quickly....if you go in and say your honor he called me a Bleeping Ahole...well the judge will most likely ask who besides you was disturbed by that? If nobody, that charge is tossed....unless of course you call the Judge the same thing...then your doing time...  |
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Post by coachjimi on Oct 4, 2018 18:09:03 GMT -6
Would you drop F Bombs in the classroom? Would you let your students? Why is the football field or the locker room any different? Why have different standards for teachers and coaches? Would you want your kid's English teacher motherbleeping everyone in sight?
Just food for thought.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 4, 2018 19:09:54 GMT -6
Would you drop F Bombs in the classroom? Would you let your students? Why is the football field or the locker room any different? Why have different standards for teachers and coaches? Would you want your kid's English teacher motherbleeping everyone in sight? Just food for thought. I would like a teacher that dropped a few eff bombs here and there. I am serious too. I think it would lighten the mood on the whole educational experience. The only time I heard a teacher cuss in class in high school a kid kept calling our chemistry teacher by her first name. She asked politely for a couple weeks for the kid to call her Ms. Weaver. Finally one day he called her by her first name and she turned RED. She looked him dead in the eye and sternly said “My name is Ms. Weaver to you Goddammit and i don’t want to hear anything else again.” And she didn’t. Sure she could have written him up and called his parents but this way was more fun for me as an innocent bystander. |
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Post by newhope on Oct 5, 2018 6:18:31 GMT -6
Would you drop F Bombs in the classroom? Would you let your students? Why is the football field or the locker room any different? Why have different standards for teachers and coaches? Would you want your kid's English teacher motherbleeping everyone in sight? Just food for thought. Show me the coach who runs his practice exactly like a classroom and I'll show you a coach who is getting it handed to him regularly on Friday nights. If we could run our classrooms exactly like our practices, however, our students would be more successful. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 5, 2018 6:20:39 GMT -6
Would you drop F Bombs in the classroom? Would you let your students? Why is the football field or the locker room any different? Why have different standards for teachers and coaches? Would you want your kid's English teacher motherbleeping everyone in sight? Just food for thought. Show me the coach who runs his practice exactly like a classroom and I'll show you a coach who is getting it handed to him regularly on Friday nights. If we could run our classrooms exactly like our practices, however, our students would be more successful. The difference being..? Volume? I realize the academic classroom and the field are different environments, but are you saying you think that volume and profanity increases the learner's understanding? What if we make it a bit more closely related. Position meetings vs the academic classroom. Is dropping F bombs when diagramming on the whiteboard going to get your kids to learn it better? |
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Post by newhope on Oct 5, 2018 6:30:23 GMT -6
Show me the coach who runs his practice exactly like a classroom and I'll show you a coach who is getting it handed to him regularly on Friday nights. If we could run our classrooms exactly like our practices, however, our students would be more successful. The difference being..? Volume? Maybe that's the difference in your practices vs your classroom....I wouldn't know. Is that the difference between Saban's? or Dabo's? or Bellichik's? or Bryant's? or Lombardi's? or Meyer's? or whichever successful coach you want to name. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 5, 2018 6:32:35 GMT -6
The difference being..? Volume? Maybe that's the difference in your practices vs your classroom....I wouldn't know. Is that the difference between Saban's? or Dabo's? or Bellichik's? or Bryant's? or Lombardi's? or Meyer's? or whichever successful coach you want to name. But the post you replied to was only referring to profanity. I am asking a legit question. You said that if you ran your classes like your practice it would be successful, and your practices like your classroom you would fail. I am asking what the difference is between the two with regards to profanity? I don't disagree with your assessment. I would say that I find it terribly ironic (and I am equally guilty I am sure) that 99.9% of coaches teach on the field/meeting room with more preparation, passion, intensity and care --for the measely stipend pay-- than they do in the academic setting for which they are paid a great deal more. Also completely agree with your observation about the title of the thread. The rule definitely seems to be a bit out of line. |
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Post by newhope on Oct 5, 2018 7:44:00 GMT -6
Show me the coach who runs his practice exactly like a classroom and I'll show you a coach who is getting it handed to him regularly on Friday nights. If we could run our classrooms exactly like our practices, however, our students would be more successful. The difference being..? Volume? I realize the academic classroom and the field are different environments, but are you saying you think that volume and profanity increases the learner's understanding? What if we make it a bit more closely related. Position meetings vs the academic classroom. Is dropping F bombs when diagramming on the whiteboard going to get your kids to learn it better? Of course that's not what I'm saying. That's ridiculous. I didn't say anything about volume, you did. I didn't say using profanity in the classroom helped learning. Get real. |
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 5, 2018 8:01:36 GMT -6
Maybe that's the difference in your practices vs your classroom....I wouldn't know. Is that the difference between Saban's? or Dabo's? or Bellichik's? or Bryant's? or Lombardi's? or Meyer's? or whichever successful coach you want to name. But the post you replied to was only referring to profanity. I am asking a legit question. You said that if you ran your classes like your practice it would be successful, and your practices like your classroom you would fail. I am asking what the difference is between the two with regards to profanity? I don't disagree with your assessment. I would say that I find it terribly ironic (and I am equally guilty I am sure) that 99.9% of coaches teach on the field/meeting room with more preparation, passion, intensity and care --for the measely stipend pay-- than they do in the academic setting for which they are paid a great deal more. Also completely agree with your observation about the title of the thread. The rule definitely seems to be a bit out of line. I would suspect that most people alive has something that they are passionate about outside of their day job, which is how I look at my teaching gig, regardless of how much it pays. Coaching for the thrills and teaching for the bills. I understand a lot of high horse cowboys love to crap on this mindset, but I don't see how it makes me any different from any number of other professionals I don't tell my insurance agent..."Dave, if you put as much passion into setting up this policy as you do fishing then you would be so much better" hobbies are more fun than our jobs, sometimes when you're fired up and having fun you use a no-no word......earth shattering |
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Post by coachjimi on Oct 5, 2018 8:35:07 GMT -6
Now we are going to insert morality into game? Can we please stop this non sense. Shouldn't you always conduct yourself as a teacher coach with morality and ethics? I mean, what are you teaching your players? |
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Post by woodyboyd on Oct 5, 2018 9:52:18 GMT -6
About 10 years ago, I was flagged 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct as a head coach. We had a terrible play, and out of frustration, I yelled, "Jesus!" Nothing more, nothing less - not directed at an official - it was just a very frustrating game as we played horribly. The official working our sideline turned to me and said, "Don't ever take the Lord's name in vain" and flagged me for 15 yards. I asked, "Are you serious?" He said, "Say it again and I'll throw you out of here." I shut up and went about my business. In retrospect, I should have called the head of the central district official's association, but I let it go. This was in Central Ohio.
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Post by coachks on Oct 5, 2018 10:31:26 GMT -6
Now we are going to insert morality into game? Can we please stop this non sense. Shouldn't you always conduct yourself as a teacher coach with morality and ethics? I mean, what are you teaching your players? Whose morality and ethics? The school I teach at essentially does not care about profanity in the halls / lunch ect. In the classroom you can write them up if it is a disturbance, but generally speaking, nothing is going to happen. At home, many of these kids cuss all day long. They have parents who cuss all day long. Listen to music that cusses. Watch movies that cuss. And somehow, we are still a top achieving school. Our kids still go to college and have careers. The earth is yet to fall apart. In fact, the school I'm at has a great reputation and the kids are extremely well behaved. They cuss in the hallways because thats what teenagers do. Not having to regulate it is a massive stress relief for me as compared to old jobs that wanted to spend more time enforcing various codes and policies then actually teaching. NFL players cuss (sometimes it even gets on camera and shows up on TV). They can still play. CEO's cuss. The military has made it an art. Ever been in a factory? On a farm? in a shop? On a construction site? So what are we regulating here and why? Some tradition from the 50s? Is it still improper to leave your house without a hat, and for women to wear pants? So lets call it what it is. I teach and coach down the road from newhope. It's a state that still wants to cling to old notions of "proper respect" and the "old ways" and using the little power that still exists to try and enforce that as best they can. |
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Post by coachjimi on Oct 5, 2018 10:58:13 GMT -6
To each his own, I suppose. I'd like to think that as coaches we are trying to instill good things in our kids like how to dress, speak and act appropriately or hard work, honesty and sportsmanship. I mean if that "morality" isn't part of your coaching philosophy then that's up to you.
Also, I think most school boards and superintendents would disagree with you. If a teacher was cussing and shouting in the classroom all day, my guess is they would be out of a job pretty soon. I guess that's just them "injecting morality" in the classroom, eh?
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 5, 2018 10:59:15 GMT -6
Shouldn't you always conduct yourself as a teacher coach with morality and ethics? I mean, what are you teaching your players? Whose morality and ethics? The school I teach at essentially does not care about profanity in the halls / lunch ect. In the classroom you can write them up if it is a disturbance, but generally speaking, nothing is going to happen. At home, many of these kids cuss all day long. They have parents who cuss all day long. Listen to music that cusses. Watch movies that cuss. And somehow, we are still a top achieving school. Our kids still go to college and have careers. The earth is yet to fall apart. In fact, the school I'm at has a great reputation and the kids are extremely well behaved. They cuss in the hallways because thats what teenagers do. Not having to regulate it is a massive stress relief for me as compared to old jobs that wanted to spend more time enforcing various codes and policies then actually teaching. NFL players cuss (sometimes it even gets on camera and shows up on TV). They can still play. CEO's cuss. The military has made it an art. Ever been in a factory? On a farm? in a shop? On a construction site? So what are we regulating here and why? Some tradition from the 50s? Is it still improper to leave your house without a hat, and for women to wear pants? So lets call it what it is. I teach and coach down the road from newhope. It's a state that still wants to cling to old notions of "proper respect" and the "old ways" and using the little power that still exists to try and enforce that as best they can. Pretty sure people cussed in the 50s as well. |
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Post by Defcord on Oct 5, 2018 11:04:34 GMT -6
Shouldn't you always conduct yourself as a teacher coach with morality and ethics? I mean, what are you teaching your players? Whose morality and ethics? The school I teach at essentially does not care about profanity in the halls / lunch ect. In the classroom you can write them up if it is a disturbance, but generally speaking, nothing is going to happen. At home, many of these kids cuss all day long. They have parents who cuss all day long. Listen to music that cusses. Watch movies that cuss. And somehow, we are still a top achieving school. Our kids still go to college and have careers. The earth is yet to fall apart. In fact, the school I'm at has a great reputation and the kids are extremely well behaved. They cuss in the hallways because thats what teenagers do. Not having to regulate it is a massive stress relief for me as compared to old jobs that wanted to spend more time enforcing various codes and policies then actually teaching. NFL players cuss (sometimes it even gets on camera and shows up on TV). They can still play. CEO's cuss. The military has made it an art. Ever been in a factory? On a farm? in a shop? On a construction site? So what are we regulating here and why? Some tradition from the 50s? Is it still improper to leave your house without a hat, and for women to wear pants? So lets call it what it is. I teach and coach down the road from newhope. It's a state that still wants to cling to old notions of "proper respect" and the "old ways" and using the little power that still exists to try and enforce that as best they can. I used to work in a factory every summer from my sophomore year in high school until graduating college. One year I was invited to play in the softball league, which usually was reserved for full time employees. Cussing was part of the culture. I hit a homerun one game and a lady in the stands of the other team with young children called me the C-word. It was pretty awesome! |
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Post by gpcoach on Oct 5, 2018 11:48:47 GMT -6
Looks like I'll be staying in the Northeast...
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Post by gpcoach on Oct 5, 2018 11:58:12 GMT -6
Morality / ethics and language are very different things.
Plenty of very moral, ethical people have a potty mouth.
And plenty of scummy, slimy, sneaky sacks of garbage know how to put on the righteous act.
Swearing and morality far from mutually exclusive.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 5, 2018 12:34:39 GMT -6
Shouldn't you always conduct yourself as a teacher coach with morality and ethics? I mean, what are you teaching your players? Whose morality and ethics? The school I teach at essentially does not care about profanity in the halls / lunch ect. In the classroom you can write them up if it is a disturbance, but generally speaking, nothing is going to happen. At home, many of these kids cuss all day long. They have parents who cuss all day long. Listen to music that cusses. Watch movies that cuss. And somehow, we are still a top achieving school. Our kids still go to college and have careers. The earth is yet to fall apart. In fact, the school I'm at has a great reputation and the kids are extremely well behaved. They cuss in the hallways because thats what teenagers do. Not having to regulate it is a massive stress relief for me as compared to old jobs that wanted to spend more time enforcing various codes and policies then actually teaching. NFL players cuss (sometimes it even gets on camera and shows up on TV). They can still play. CEO's cuss. The military has made it an art. Ever been in a factory? On a farm? in a shop? On a construction site? So what are we regulating here and why? Some tradition from the 50s? Is it still improper to leave your house without a hat, and for women to wear pants? So lets call it what it is. I teach and coach down the road from newhope. It's a state that still wants to cling to old notions of "proper respect" and the "old ways" and using the little power that still exists to try and enforce that as best they can. I agree with this. The first post of the thread is about saying any cuss word and ejected and suspended for the next game which is absolutely insane. But, I think you will agree that you can't cuss out an opponent or cuss out an official or just scream obscenities without a penalty (15 yard flag). Thoughts? |
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Post by Defcord on Oct 5, 2018 12:51:16 GMT -6
Morality / ethics and language are very different things. Plenty of very moral, ethical people have a potty mouth. And plenty of scummy, slimy, sneaky sacks of garbage know how to put on the righteous act. Swearing and morality far from mutually exclusive. This is a great point. I have found since I moved to South Carolina that "Yes, sir" can mean a variety of different things. |
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