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Post by jlenwood on Sept 16, 2018 8:15:20 GMT -6
Have any of you noticed a trend among today's players, compared to players from even a little as 5-6 years ago, not knowing the game of football. For instance, watched a college game last night where the winning team was trying to run out the clock. The play was a RB off tackle that gets bounced out a bit and gets some yardage, but the RB ran out of bounds stopping the clock. I see it on Fridays at games I go watch (retired) and it happened all the time the last few years I coached.
Do kids even watch football anymore?
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Post by chi5hi on Sept 16, 2018 8:20:16 GMT -6
Some kids will run out of bounds simply because they don't want to get hit. It's nothing new.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 16, 2018 8:36:03 GMT -6
Have any of you noticed a trend among today's players, compared to players from even a little as 5-6 years ago, not knowing the game of football. For instance, watched a college game last night where the winning team was trying to run out the clock. The play was a RB off tackle that gets bounced out a bit and gets some yardage, but the RB ran out of bounds stopping the clock. I see it on Fridays at games I go watch (retired) and it happened all the time the last few years I coached. Do kids even watch football anymore? Chris Webber called a timeout when Michigan didn't have any left. Wasn't there a weird spike play in college fb where the dude spiked and it was 0 left? I've seen NFL games where the defense gets too many men on the field calls, even with a TV timeout every 30 seconds Dan Marino fake spike TD vs NY Jets Donovan McNabb didn't know how OT worked in the NFL Herm might not have known ASU's mascot was a devil I don't know half the rules because they're different at every level and changed every year anyway- and I'm 16 years into coaching and nearly 30 in counting playing and coaching combined. |
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Post by Coach Klemme on Sept 16, 2018 9:44:20 GMT -6
Now imagine having to play those kids on a Friday night.
"LB, line up as an outside shade on the guard."
"Which one is that?"
"That is the first lineman out from the center"
"The guy with the ball?"
"Yes. that is correct"
"So the center changes because they keep handing off to other people?"
Actual conversation week 6 of current season.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 16, 2018 9:45:40 GMT -6
8. (1965) Alabama's Ken Stabler throws the ball out of bounds on fourth down when a field goal would have won the game, which ended 7-7.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 16, 2018 9:55:32 GMT -6
Now imagine having to play those kids on a Friday night. "LB, line up as an outside shade on the guard." "Which one is that?" "That is the first lineman out from the center" "The guy with the ball?" "Yes. that is correct" "So the center changes because they keep handing off to other people?" Actual conversation week 6 of current season. If you had said shade to me in HS I wouldn't have known what the hell you were talking about. I probably would've told you I prefer sun at the beach versus shade trees |
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Post by chi5hi on Sept 16, 2018 10:14:40 GMT -6
8. (1965) Alabama's Ken Stabler throws the ball out of bounds on fourth down when a field goal would have won the game, which ended 7-7. Sometimes people just lose track of the downs...especially on 4th down with time running out. I've seen it in HS during a playoff game. |
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Post by sweep26 on Sept 16, 2018 10:17:57 GMT -6
Razorback's Punt Coverage vs North Texas?  ?? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 16, 2018 10:23:17 GMT -6
Razorback's Punt Coverage vs North Texas? ?? I saw that...and I can't help but think there is a good possibility that the return was calling out something ("Fair Catch, Fair Catch") or something similar. Also, serious question. Had he just stood there and gotten crushed, would there have been a penalty? Not SHOULD there have been, but would? |
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Post by silkyice on Sept 16, 2018 11:02:05 GMT -6
Razorback's Punt Coverage vs North Texas? ?? I saw that...and I can't help but think there is a good possibility that the return was calling out something ("Fair Catch, Fair Catch") or something similar. Also, serious question. Had he just stood there and gotten crushed, would there have been a penalty? Not SHOULD there have been, but would? There would have been in my opinion. If he gets clocked next week, I won’t complain. |
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Post by carookie on Sept 16, 2018 14:51:12 GMT -6
Thats why I assume they don't know anything I don't teach them, and they won't be able to execute anything we don't rep constantly.
Gotta teach everything from the ground up.
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Post by nicku on Sept 16, 2018 14:57:27 GMT -6
I would agree that it appears kids know less about football seemingly each year, but boneheaded plays are going to happen because people just screw up. It happens.
A girl in one of my sophomore English classes, who would be considered "goth" or something of that nature when I was in school (different colored hair, lots of piercings, unpleasant disposition) chastise a 6'3" almost 200 pound football player because he had never heard of Emmitt Smith...it was friggin' hilarious.
I think there is just so much available for entertainment now that it's less likely for even the most athletically-inclined kids to know as much about sports as we probably did as kids.
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Post by carookie on Sept 16, 2018 17:38:34 GMT -6
On the other end of the point though, isn't there so much more football we expect them to know now? I don't think we had to spend 20 hours a week in the summer learning systems and terminology back when I played. Now there are plenty of high school coaches out there who buy into the whole 'Spider 2 Y-Banana' mentality.
First HC I ever worked with told the players early on, "you are gonna have to be a genius to play offense for us". So we expect them to know all our stuff, their assignments, and then all the stuff going on in the NFL and D1?
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Sept 16, 2018 18:16:33 GMT -6
Our youth programs here teach our kids NOTHING. They don’t even have to memorize a play as the coaches are always on the field, and just show them a play diagram in the huddle and tell them to run it. Just like scout team.
It’s beyond frustrating
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Post by jlenwood on Sept 16, 2018 18:20:55 GMT -6
On the other end of the point though, isn't there so much more football we expect them to know now? I don't think we had to spend 20 hours a week in the summer learning systems and terminology back when I played. Now there are plenty of high school coaches out there who buy into the whole 'Spider 2 Y-Banana' mentality. First HC I ever worked with told the players early on, "you are gonna have to be a genius to play offense for us". So we expect them to know all our stuff, their assignments, and then all the stuff going on in the NFL and D1? I'm not even talking about scheme related or terminology. I just don't think kids watch much ball. |
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Post by wingtol on Sept 16, 2018 18:31:39 GMT -6
Our starting RT/NG last year, who isn't playing this year....
Me: you watch football on tv?
Kid: nope.
Me: the super bowl?
Kid: never
Me: how many downs are there?
Kid: .........4.........?
Me: so you just like to go hit people and not get in trouble on fridays
Kid: yup
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Post by carookie on Sept 16, 2018 19:30:03 GMT -6
On the other end of the point though, isn't there so much more football we expect them to know now? I don't think we had to spend 20 hours a week in the summer learning systems and terminology back when I played. Now there are plenty of high school coaches out there who buy into the whole 'Spider 2 Y-Banana' mentality. First HC I ever worked with told the players early on, "you are gonna have to be a genius to play offense for us". So we expect them to know all our stuff, their assignments, and then all the stuff going on in the NFL and D1? I'm not even talking about scheme related or terminology. I just don't think kids watch much ball. Oh I know, my point was that we've added so much now on our end that I am not mad at them for not watching games on TV. There are only so many hours out there, and many football coaches take up a lot of it with HS football. Can't be upset that they don't overload with other football games. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 16, 2018 19:56:05 GMT -6
On the other end of the point though, isn't there so much more football we expect them to know now? I don't think we had to spend 20 hours a week in the summer learning systems and terminology back when I played. Now there are plenty of high school coaches out there who buy into the whole 'Spider 2 Y-Banana' mentality. First HC I ever worked with told the players early on, "you are gonna have to be a genius to play offense for us". So we expect them to know all our stuff, their assignments, and then all the stuff going on in the NFL and D1? I'm not even talking about scheme related or terminology. I just don't think kids. watch much ball. . Why would you think that they would? |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 18, 2018 9:57:41 GMT -6
I'm not even talking about scheme related or terminology. I just don't think kids. watch much ball. . Why would you think that they would? My childhood bedroom was like Sanford's house, I had 2 TV's from Goodwill in my room. 1 newer one we ran cable in to and watched games while playing NES or SEGA on the really old one. They were stacked up. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 18, 2018 10:10:29 GMT -6
. Why would you think that they would? My childhood bedroom was like Sanford's house, I had 2 TV's from Goodwill in my room. 1 newer one we ran cable in to and watched games while playing NES or SEGA on the really old one. They were stacked up. . I think that makes you an outlier. Kids don't sit around watching football. Why would they? They have better things to do. |
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Post by CS on Sept 18, 2018 10:20:12 GMT -6
We have quite a few kids that watch a lot of football. And we have a lot of kids who don't. Both groups are ignorant
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Post by silkyice on Sept 18, 2018 12:17:32 GMT -6
We have quite a few kids that watch a lot of football. And we have a lot of kids who don't. Both groups are ignorant LOL |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 18, 2018 18:37:46 GMT -6
My childhood bedroom was like Sanford's house, I had 2 TV's from Goodwill in my room. 1 newer one we ran cable in to and watched games while playing NES or SEGA on the really old one. They were stacked up. . I think that makes you an outlier. Kids don't sit around watching football. Why would they? They have better things to do. Oh yeah for sure, I was a weirdo x 100 (am a weirdo x 100?). Not a single kid I knew was watching a football game. They damn sure weren't posting on message boards in high school |
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Sept 18, 2018 18:43:37 GMT -6
I don't believe that kids know less football today- in fact what we ask our kids to know is much greater than when I played and it's not even close! Between film, summer work, meetings, etc. it's crazy how much more we ask of kids from a football knowledge standpoint.
Where I believe it to be different is in the instinctive, spatial awareness, etc. that is generally developed through free play with less structure. That world doesn't exist for kids on a consistent basis anymore. Everything is structure or league from an early age, or a we can't go to the park w/o parents, etc. It's not about outside play, it's video games, tablets, etc. Video games don't teach you instinct and space.
I actually believe these are the skills that frustrate many coaches more than pure football knowledge. We lump Football knowledge into instincts/spatial awareness and they are two different areas. Most of what bugs me as a coach is instinctual mistakes that appear to be "football knowledge" mistakes but really aren't.
We don't spend time allowing or providing opportunities for kids to play when younger to develop these. Every behavior is learned, and many at a young age. Adults can't/won't/don't know how to get out of kids way and let them develop these skills. We think we are "helping" them by structuring everything. The exact thing we want, we don't get because of how we lay out their childhood, youth sport experiences, etc.
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Post by jlenwood on Sept 19, 2018 3:35:45 GMT -6
I'm not even talking about scheme related or terminology. I just don't think kids. watch much ball. . Why would you think that they would? Because if it something of interest to an individual, they will want more exposure to said interest. I guess I look at my sons as an example. Both very good players, but more importantly they were very smart and knowledgeable about the game. Why? They played in the backyard with friends (in reference to lilbuck's post) plus they watched NFL on Sunday and college on Saturday. Now, exposure to the game on tv or going to watch something as a fan doesn't always translate to the field as a player, but I have found when I coached the kids who "knew" the game were better players. For example, the best players I ever coached were the ones who knew what the situations on the field were at all times. If it was 3rd down and they were on the sideline, they knew to get ready to get on the field when and if possession changed. If a ball was kicked off and fell short of them, they didn't stand and look at it as if it were a dead ball like a punt. If it was 3rd and forever, they knew not to let someone get over top of them in coverage etc. I know these examples are so basic you would think I was coaching dummies, but I see it every week now from various teams when I go watch football. Hell, you see it on TV with someone fair catching a punt on the 5 yard line. It is just a lack of the fundamental strategies and tactics of the game that blows me away. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Sept 19, 2018 8:03:19 GMT -6
8. (1965) Alabama's Ken Stabler throws the ball out of bounds on fourth down when a field goal would have won the game, which ended 7-7. I watched a game back in the 80's: Offense is running shot gun 2 minutes drill. Several penalties had been called on consecutive plays and then there was a couple incomplete passes, a catch in bounds so 4th down. The score clock showed 2nd down, the chain gang still had third down. QB takes the snap turns and rifles the ball right into the balls of an unsuspecting kid on the sideline....game is over..except the 10 minute delay while the ambulance crew checked out the kids balls.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 19, 2018 8:25:54 GMT -6
8. (1965) Alabama's Ken Stabler throws the ball out of bounds on fourth down when a field goal would have won the game, which ended 7-7. I watched a game back in the 80's: Offense is running shot gun 2 minutes drill. Several penalties had been called on consecutive plays and then there was a couple incomplete passes, a catch in bounds so 4th down. The score clock showed 2nd down, the chain gang still had third down. QB takes the snap turns and rifles the ball right into the balls of an unsuspecting kid on the sideline....game is over..except the 10 minute delay while the ambulance crew checked out the kids balls.
WOW |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 19, 2018 10:31:59 GMT -6
We've really focused on using consistent verbiage for everything these days. A "defensive end" is not a "defensive end"; he's a 9 tech, 8 tech, 7 tech, etc.. A "slot wide receiver" is either the #2 or #3 wide receiver, never a "slot" or a "Z". We don't "combo to a linebacker", we "combo to the A or B gap defender" (we're not using a counting system this year).
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Post by silkyice on Sept 19, 2018 10:41:00 GMT -6
We've really focused on using consistent verbiage for everything these days. A "defensive end" is not a "defensive end"; he's a 9 tech, 8 tech, 7 tech, etc.. A "slot wide receiver" is either the #2 or #3 wide receiver, never a "slot" or a "Z". We don't "combo to a linebacker", we "combo to the A or B gap defender" (we're not using a counting system this year). Like the idea of using numbers for line and gap letters for linebackers. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 19, 2018 10:58:40 GMT -6
We've really focused on using consistent verbiage for everything these days. A "defensive end" is not a "defensive end"; he's a 9 tech, 8 tech, 7 tech, etc.. A "slot wide receiver" is either the #2 or #3 wide receiver, never a "slot" or a "Z". We don't "combo to a linebacker", we "combo to the A or B gap defender" (we're not using a counting system this year). Like the idea of using numbers for line and gap letters for linebackers. This is our kids' first year running a zone blocking so we've had to be extremely consistent with our verbiage. It's worked well on our gap schemes as well. Talking to the H-back about Power: "The 5 tech slants inside, and the TE will pick him up as he is now the B-gap defender and is in his zone track. The D-gap defender now becomes the C-gap defender and you're responsible for arch blocking to him." It's a mouthful the first few times you explain it but, with enough repetition, the kids can repeat it verbatim. |
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