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Post by los on Dec 14, 2005 13:12:13 GMT -6
Being a history buff and especially military history, I've always related coaching football as being similar to conducting a military campaign. As in most senior military officers, some were better behind the scenes trainers, administrators, or strategists and then the more famous ones out in front winning the actual battles, having to make quick descisions that ultimately affected the course of the battle! If you've noticed, throughout history if you get the wrong kind of guy in the wrong spot it usually lead to disaster! Just wondering which kind of leader you would consider yourselves? To me their both equally important, just different!
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Post by los on Dec 14, 2005 13:20:35 GMT -6
Since I asked the question, I'll go ahead and answer first. I'm a better practice coach, cause my brain takes too long to analyze information. I need a lot of time to really disect something to come up with a solution. Not good for quick response you need in a football game!
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Post by saintrad on Dec 14, 2005 14:00:44 GMT -6
being former military and been through two conflicts I never refer to football in military terms, but to answer you r question I would consider myself a better practice coach for much of the same reasons you stated. I like working on the nuances of the game.
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Post by brophy on Dec 14, 2005 14:02:54 GMT -6
I really can't relate the game planning much to combat, myself, but I'd have to say the "practice" because that's more hands-on time, more talking, more teaching the concepts of what will work on Friday night.
If you can't teach it M - TH, you aren't going to have that weapon loaded on Friday night.
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Post by mbfbcoach on Dec 14, 2005 14:03:16 GMT -6
I was asked this question in an interview last week. It was the first time anyone had asked me that one. I also would think of myself as a practice guy. I feel if you plan and work the week correctly, hopefully you eliminate most of the suprises on game day.
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Post by los on Dec 14, 2005 14:09:20 GMT -6
Not the combat I'm talking about but the planning and execution. A loss in a football game is just an "L" but everyone usually makes it home OK!
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Post by tribepride on Dec 14, 2005 14:14:28 GMT -6
I believe that you need to be good M - Th or Friday can be a long day. I enough the Friday night lights the most.....you get see how the weeks planning plays out....make some calls on a gut feeling......deal with subsitutions when there are injuries...chess matches with the other coaches...can't wait until August!
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Post by los on Dec 14, 2005 14:15:43 GMT -6
Me too Saint man, back in 71 & 72. Fortunately for me they sent me to europe instead of the other less desirable direction!
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Post by dmckillip on Dec 14, 2005 15:18:29 GMT -6
Having been in or associated with the military for over 30 years and coaching at various levels during that time, I would consider myself pretty good at both. I enjoy the teaching aspects of pratice and seeing players grow on a day to day basis.
I enjoy the challenges that making adjustments during a game can present. Think on my feet and making snap decisions if fun.
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Post by los on Dec 14, 2005 18:26:17 GMT -6
OK, you all are taking the military history thing a little out of context. I know nobody on this forum was in a Roman legion! They used formations to fight battles- we use formations to play football. The main food for thought question is do you consider yourself a better practice coach( more behind the scenes training,planning etc..) or game coach (matching wits, making quick adjustments, that kinda thing)
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Post by los on Dec 14, 2005 19:23:44 GMT -6
Thats what I'm talking about, Tribe! It doesn't mean you can't do both just which your more naturally cut out for! Tribe sounds like a game coach! It might be a good thing to know if you're putting together a coaching staff or applying for a job! But you gotta answer honestly!
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Post by jackedup on Dec 14, 2005 21:11:37 GMT -6
If I have a clipboard and some paper... I would say Game coach. I just seem to see things better as they are happening in front of me. I hate when kids ask "what if they do this? OR that?" Those questions drive me nuts. I devise a gameplan and expect them to carry it out to the best of my expecations. If they have to alter it because of something the opponent is doing, then fine. We'll look at the adjustment and I'll approve or disapprove. Also, I'm constantly coaching during a game. I'm sitting in the state championship game and on the sideline, I'm instructing my olb what his pursuit is supposed to be like.
A practice coach is important and I am very structured when it comes to my practices.
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Post by DLine06 on Dec 14, 2005 21:19:21 GMT -6
If I have a clipboard and some paper... I would say Game coach. I just seem to see things better as they are happening in front of me. I hate when kids ask "what if they do this? OR that?" Those questions drive me nuts. I devise a gameplan and expect them to carry it out to the best of my expecations. If they have to alter it because of something the opponent is doing, then fine. We'll look at the adjustment and I'll approve or disapprove. Also, I'm constantly coaching during a game. I'm sitting in the state championship game and on the sideline, I'm instructing my olb what his pursuit is supposed to be like. A practice coach is important and I am very structured when it comes to my practices. Largely, I can sit in the stands and by the end of the 1st qtr thru 2nd half, I picked apart the offense to know what their vital plays are. Esp. the tendencies. One thing about tendencies is that they can telegraph your play.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 14, 2005 22:04:58 GMT -6
Largely, I can sit in the stands and by the end of the 1st qtr thru 2nd half, I picked apart the offense to know what their vital plays are. Esp. the tendencies. One thing about tendencies is that they can telegraph your play. another GREAT thing about tendencies is that I KNOW YOU KNOW.....so, you gotta' worry about me breaking 'em....that's the whole purpose of self-scout. hell, EVERY offense has tendencies. the only ones that don't are the ones that aren't very good (usually)...'cus their scramblin' trying to find anything that will work....i know, i've been there. i think on your staff you need a good balance between the "practice" coach & the "game" coach. i equate the practice coach to more of a teacher -- fully understands it all and can get it over to the kids at that pace needed for practice. the "game" coach would be more of the manager or manipulator -- can put the pieces where they need to be in a hurry. the great coaches are BOTH....... that's the goal i've striving for. right now, i'm more of a saturday morning coach -- shoulda', coulda', woulda'.....LOL
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Post by tog on Dec 15, 2005 7:02:36 GMT -6
huey is right of course
both would be ideal
the biggest thing in my mind about being a good game coach is having enough knowledge of the game to see things they are doing to you and then how can you adjust little things to help the players with that, do you have enough things in your arsenal to be able to adjust and be flexible during a game with those little things, and more importantly, can you get it across to the kids? do you know when to do things like this?
example would be working counter gt strong during a game, and the 8 is folding in to make the play late, in film they had him play the edge harder and he wasn't that much of a factor as he was outside the kickout, having the te then take a different release and work inside out on him
just little things within the gameplan that you already know how to attack because of work on the weekend, but you have to tweak within a game makes a good game coach IMO
the good practice coach makes it so those little things can be done durning the game because the players understand what is going on and what we are trying to do with a certain play, and they can understand what is happening
the guys I have now aren't there yet, but it sure is nice when they come off the field and they have seen what I see, and they ask me if they can do the adjustment I already had in mind
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Post by los on Dec 15, 2005 7:38:10 GMT -6
Those are excellent points guys, and may help determine when you're actually ready to become a head coach?
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Post by tog on Dec 15, 2005 8:10:32 GMT -6
determining when you are ready and when you can get one are two different things
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Post by saintrad on Dec 15, 2005 8:37:36 GMT -6
huey-
i would have to disagree with those who dont have tendancies arent very good. I worked with a coach up in oregon that was very good at keeping a balanced look and gameplan. Our archrival coach hated us because we were the only team he couldn't get tendenacies on. THe fact that made it worse was we won 8 consecuative district titles and 4 state titles in those same 8 years. Maybe he was the exception to the rule.
I find those that are too predictable as the ones that aren't very good. Case in point was this season were I am currently coaching. We had our rival HCs come up to after the game and tell us that we were too predicatble. They usually had us figured out by the second or third series. Better than that, my 7 yr son was at one of our games and was betting my wife 25 cents a play that he could out guess her. He made almost $5 by halftime.
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Post by tog on Dec 15, 2005 9:29:03 GMT -6
saint, there is a difference between no tendencies because you are good and have a plan, and focus on being disguised random
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having no tendencies because you don't know anything and the offense doesn't make sense, isn't sound, etc
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Post by wildcat on Dec 15, 2005 13:08:59 GMT -6
I'm a poor game coach. I don't think on my feet very well and often get way too emotional.
Fortunately, I have two things going for me. 1) the other coaches on the sideline and in the box really help me out and, 2) I don't have a big ego at all and am willing to listen to advice.
For me, the "fun" part of football is the preparation - lifting weights, running, helping the kids become better athletes, breaking down film, scouting opponents, discussing xs and os on the chalkboard. To be honest, I'm always a little bummed out when the summer ends and it is time to start "real" practice.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 15, 2005 13:21:16 GMT -6
Im a very good practice coach and always improving on the field as a coach...how do i know im improving? I yell less. yelling at the kids and trying to do lots of coaching from teh sidelines is a show of lack of preparation. ie, when we scored, id already be thinking of my two point conversion play rather than thumping chests and jumping up and down etc...with experience comes calm and cool. I once heard a guy say "i dont get nervous about games at all...i have prepared my team. now its up to them to perform."...had some sense to it.
i think making half time adjustments is what its all about when you are in a close game. never panic, be great at what you do and dance with who brung ya.
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Post by tog on Dec 15, 2005 13:35:25 GMT -6
to me, half time adjustments are too late better get them done asap
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 15, 2005 13:38:54 GMT -6
true story- one year i was up on the roof with the head set on...i kept suggesting that we run a G play against this team..."we dont have one" was the response...
at half time I got with the oline coach, his hogs and the head coach and showed em how to run it...we ran it in the second half 4 times for better than 8 yards per carry. it was the difference in the game ...a 14-13 slug fest. thats a half time adjustment.
i called for the play because the des in the other teams killer 5-3 were diving into the fbs knees and the refs wouldnt throw the flag...anyhow, a couple of thumping kickouts by the guard had that de change his attitude.
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Post by tog on Dec 15, 2005 13:42:16 GMT -6
what kept them from just digging out the guards?
why would a de digging out what I suppose is a power kickout by the fb be illegal?
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Post by tribepride on Dec 15, 2005 14:00:31 GMT -6
tog
We get warned by the officials if our EMLOS's come in and take out a Guard of FB at the knees. It is against the rules but we teach them to take on the block at the defenders waist.
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Post by tog on Dec 15, 2005 14:03:32 GMT -6
is that federation rules? that is lame
I would run counter all day long if they cant dig it out
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Post by tribepride on Dec 15, 2005 14:06:18 GMT -6
Yes it is. Out of the free blocking zone the defender cannot block/hit/etc. below the waist(except when tackling), just like the offense. The officails usually just warn the kids because they are trying to tackle the ball carrier behind the block.
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Post by tog on Dec 15, 2005 14:09:07 GMT -6
you guys that play under federation rules need to start a thread about how you dig stuff out and how you block downfield without cutting
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Post by tribepride on Dec 15, 2005 14:14:49 GMT -6
I'll have to start some. How many states use the NCAA rules?
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Post by tog on Dec 15, 2005 14:15:32 GMT -6
timtheenchanter knows
it should be all of them
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