danimal23
Freshmen Member
Polk High, 4 tds in 1 game
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Post by danimal23 on Oct 8, 2007 15:04:12 GMT -6
talking to a buddy today, his team got torched for 6 tds by a rb headed to a major D1 school this weekend. 1st play from scrimmage he went 60 yards and after a 3 and out he returned the next punt and it was all over but the crying. They have a few athletes, but it didn't matter because he ran all over them with or without any blocking. How did you handle this as a coach, dealing with your players going into the game and after the game. I don't know how they handled it before the game, but I know how they reacted after. They hit the sauce and watched college football. Basically, my question is has a coach in here ever said post game, "there was nothing we could have done to win this game they were just to talented and we can't stop them. I'm sure some of the coaches at smaller schools will empathize with him on this.
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Post by wildcat on Oct 8, 2007 15:27:20 GMT -6
We had one of those earlier this year...could have played those guys 100 times and they would have beaten us each time.
With that being said, we didn't play well. We got beat 42-7, but that was with us giving the other team a lot of help. Had we played a smarter and sharper game, we probably should have lost 28-14 or something a little more respectable than 42-7.
Some nights, you are the windshield. Some nights, you are the bug.
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Post by coachsky on Oct 8, 2007 15:44:19 GMT -6
Our last game of the year we play the number one team in the state. This week they beat the number 6 team in the state (who we happen to play this Friday) and pounded them 35-7.
As coaches we are going to try and prepare a game plan to stop the leading rusher in the state. We are coaching to win that game and we expect our players to play and prepare to win that game. That's our official position!
Unofficailly we will be pleased if we keep the score within two TD's.
We are in the Cat-Bird seat! Everyone expects us to lose and the our playoff opportunity will be decide the week before that game. A win or good showing is gravy baby!
We lose 4 starters for next year and start 6 Sophmores per side. They maybe number 1 this year, but will own them for the next two years.
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 8, 2007 16:41:24 GMT -6
This thread is similar to another one on this board. We had ours this past week. We told the kids all week long (like they didn't already know!) that our opponent was going to be tough and that we needed to play our best game - even though as coaches we knew we were going to get creamed. And our guys came out and played the best they have all season! It was great to see their effort and their execution. We got beat 0-39 but those guys are off our schedule and the rest of the season is against teams we can play with. Going into the game, we (the coaches) were all concerned that our players spirits (and bodies) might get crushed but we never let that be known. You coach them up and let them know how proud you are when they face the battle, give their all, and survive to play another down.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 9, 2007 4:02:27 GMT -6
talking to a buddy today, his team got torched for 6 tds by a rb headed to a major D1 school this weekend. 1st play from scrimmage he went 60 yards and after a 3 and out he returned the next punt and it was all over but the crying. They have a few athletes, but it didn't matter because he ran all over them with or without any blocking. How did you handle this as a coach, dealing with your players going into the game and after the game. I don't know how they handled it before the game, but I know how they reacted after. They hit the sauce and watched college football. Basically, my question is has a coach in here ever said post game, "there was nothing we could have done to win this game they were just to talented and we can't stop them. I'm sure some of the coaches at smaller schools will empathize with him on this. its a good opportunity to talk to the kids about becoming bigger and faster in the off season. when you get physically whipped and outrun the kids dont have to be rocket scientists to get it when it comes to the importance of lifting and running track for instance. make it a positive in some way.
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Post by wildcat on Oct 9, 2007 5:56:53 GMT -6
its a good opportunity to talk to the kids about becoming bigger and faster in the off season. when you get physically whipped and outrun the kids dont have to be rocket scientists to get it when it comes to the importance of lifting and running track for instance. make it a positive in some way. Good post, Steve...we have had A LOT of opportunities to have that conversation this year! ;D
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 9, 2007 8:19:27 GMT -6
If their is no blocking and ONE guy beat Eleven? Can you elaborate? I'm having a hard time following this particular post within this thread ... i.e. where does it fit? what is it in referrence to? what is it addressing or clarifying?
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danimal23
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Polk High, 4 tds in 1 game
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Post by danimal23 on Oct 9, 2007 9:54:01 GMT -6
well yeah, the other 10 people on the field were blocking. All i was saying is that on the punt return there was not great blocking, the return man just broke it by being a freakish athlete.
But I wasn't there either, maybe all game long the guy just broke tecmo super bowl style 99 yard td runs while going coast to coast 20 times with the entire defense chasing him.
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Post by dubber on Oct 9, 2007 20:21:30 GMT -6
Unless eleven guys are just awful football players and I have seen that, ONe Guy no matter how Good he is, Cannot beat eleven. Especially with no blocking. I'm willing to bet the other team didn't just trot this guy onto the field and he "auto" hiked (like in backyard football) the ball to himself and just took off........ .......I bet there were a couple of other guys on the field getting in the way of the defense Now we are digressing-------------- I handle going into an "unwinnable" game by getting the team into that crazy, nothing to lose, mad man state of mind..........so what if they got x, we don't care-----we are here to hit you in the mouth! We got nothing to lose, and we are going to play like it! After a shellacking, I don't spend a lot of time on the post-game speech (no matter what you say, it doesn't help)------but, we'll spend a lot of time looking at film and correcting the things we can correct----------then, bury that game and look forward to the next one.
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Post by dubber on Oct 9, 2007 23:11:50 GMT -6
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danimal23
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Polk High, 4 tds in 1 game
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Post by danimal23 on Oct 10, 2007 7:01:21 GMT -6
Great speech. He wound up getting 6 tds all together.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 10, 2007 8:16:00 GMT -6
I am just taking what the guy said at his word. Having said that could have mispoken yes. I have not seen an ounce of film, been to one practice or whatever, But I have been a part of enough on both ends to know that two touchdowns doesnt mean spit. I also and have already stated one athlete know matter good cant beat eleven guys. I know that if you are looking at film and saying, we have no chance? they just have to many athletes", You are going to find out what type of coach you are. Anybody watch Stanford-USC? How about any Navy Game? How about those Byu MIAMI games in the early 90s and 80's? How about Oklahoma-TCU two years ago? I guarantee not coach in any of those games said the shenannagans I see written in this thread. "WE CANT WIN" Right? LOL! The talent disparity between "bad" division 1 football teams and good division 1 football teams is relatively minute. Remember, almost all of those players on the "bad" teams you mentioned were some of the top football players in their state. Many if not most were All-State selections, All League Selections etc. They are all big, strong, fast, and talented. The talent disparity between "bad" highschool football teams, and "good" highschool football teams with a few key D1 players is tremendous, ESPECIALLY at the smaller school levels. Therefore, your examples are poor reflections of this situation. I don't think anyone here is suggesting approaching the kids by telling them "well guys, we can't win this one", OR by taking the approach with the coaches "Well guys, lets take the week off, we can't win this one", BUT I do think you better serve your team,kids,and programs to have realistic expectations going into the game. Of course it is "possible" to win the game, because of the very infinite defintion of the word "possible". It is POSSIBLE, because of the subatomic structure of all solids, that if you were to ram your head into a wall for infinity, that on one of those occasions the subatomic structures would align such that the spaces between them mesh perfectly, and your head actually would go through the wall. It is "possible" to flip a fair coin 1,000,000 times, and have it land on heads all 1,000,000 times. However, since coaching is much greater than simply winning or losing individual games, I don't believe it is prudent to enter all games oblivous to the likely outcome, and therefore taking steps to get the most out of the situation. False bravado inspired by pep talks lasts..oh, until your 5'9 165 gutty, fully of heart, piss and vinegar FB who "CAN DO IT " cuz the coach has preached it to him all week gets stoned 2 yards in the hole by a forearm shiver on an ISO. Now your kid not only doubts himself, he doubts YOU, and he will doubt you the next time you tell him "YOU CAN DO IT"
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 10, 2007 8:25:42 GMT -6
And those situations are why they call you COACH. EXACTLY. It is bad coaching to not recognize your situation, and plan accordingly. In these situations, if your SOLE objective is to "just win baby", then you are doing these boys a disservice. So, in all of these game films, and all of your situations inwhich you have been "on both sides" (And by this, do you mean you have coached a team with Multiple D1 athletes and lost to a crappy team?) , did you not make any changes to your approach.
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Post by mtsooner on Oct 10, 2007 8:40:39 GMT -6
Call me crazy or delusional, but I don't think there's a game that any team on any given night can't win. Down 28-0 with one minute to go, I think my team can still win.....guess that's my eternal optimism flowing over, sometimes to blind my own eyes.
Need further proof of any given night??? ----- Stanford 24 USC 23!
Enough said.
S.R.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 10, 2007 8:46:31 GMT -6
Call me crazy or delusional, but I don't think there's a game that any team on any given night can't win. Down 28-0 with one minute to go, I think my team can still win.....guess that's my eternal optimism flowing over, sometimes to blind my own eyes. Need further proof of any given night??? ----- Stanford 24 USC 23! Enough said. S.R. Stanford has 85 kids who were probably all league, all state, and possibly the best player on their respective H.S teams. Is your eternal optimism and blinding your eyes best for the program in terms of planning and consideration?
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