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Post by blb on May 23, 2017 16:04:47 GMT -6
Few years ago had one of our up-and-coming linemen danm near break his neck in a basketball game by diving for a loose ball near End Line of Basketball court and hitting the gym wall head-first. Was in a neck collar for weeks. Care to guess which sport he gave up? Rhetorical question, but I'll take a crack at it. Football...because he could potentially face a career ending & quality of life changing injury?
Of course - even though the original life-threatening injury was incurred playing Basketball!
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Post by coachklee on May 23, 2017 16:05:45 GMT -6
Rhetorical question, but I'll take a crack at it. Football...because he could potentially face a career ending & quality of life changing injury?
Of course - even though the original life-threatening injury was incurred playing Basketball!
Of course...
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Post by utchuckd on May 23, 2017 17:52:25 GMT -6
Son, there isn't a college in America that is looking for a 6'4" post player. But every college in America is looking for a 6'4" receiver. Dude.
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Post by 19delta on May 23, 2017 18:01:57 GMT -6
What sponsors care about is the marketability of the team. A team with bad players is not interesting and, by extension, not marketable. The vast majority of sponsors just want to be seen, and be seen as "community-minded", "helping children" or the like. The team with bad players is interesting to the players, the players' relatives, etc. Same with sponsoring community or children's theater with bad actors, bad productions, etc. Quality of product is not what it's about. Bob...sorry, but you are wrong. Quality IS important. How much did the Chicago White Sox get for their new stadium sponsorship deal with Guaranteed Rate? How does that compare to the naming rights of other comparable MLB stadiums? How much do you think the Cubs would get if they were to ever offer naming rights for Wrigley Field? Now...if we are just talking about Chico's Bail Bonds buying hats and t-shirts for the local little league baseball team, then that is different because it is such a small output of cash for the company. But Nike and Under Armor and Addidas , etc, etc aren't sponsoring those kinds of youth teams. They are sponsoring the big-name teams with big-name players who are going to get a lot of exposure.
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Post by silkyice on May 23, 2017 18:30:33 GMT -6
Son, there isn't a college in America that is looking for a 6'4" post player. But every college in America is looking for a 6'4" receiver. Dude. Picture didn't post
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Post by jrk5150 on May 24, 2017 6:35:15 GMT -6
The vast majority of sponsors just want to be seen, and be seen as "community-minded", "helping children" or the like. The team with bad players is interesting to the players, the players' relatives, etc. Same with sponsoring community or children's theater with bad actors, bad productions, etc. Quality of product is not what it's about. But Nike and Under Armor and Addidas , etc, etc aren't sponsoring those kinds of youth teams. They are sponsoring the big-name teams with big-name players who are going to get a lot of exposure. My son is at an FCS school with a very good basketball program - mid-major but decent name recognition. They're an Adidas school. Basketball coach desperately wants to move to Nike, but Nike won't do it because the football team is really bad. AAU basketball is a cesspool. Absolutely. But you're also talking about a minority of programs that are really bad from a scumbag point of view. The programs around here are more about guys who love the game, who want to be involved, but don't have the connections or the time or the whatever to coach in HS. HS programs aren't always the easiest to break into - not many coaches, your schedule has to work, very political, and talk about egos... AAU basketball also serves a purpose for colleges scouting players. In HS, you can't control the competition. You have a lot of big fish/little pond scenarios. At the AAU level, if you have an elite player, you can see him go against other elite players. That's important for a coach whose livelihood depends on making good decisions on 9-10 of the 12-15 he's giving scholarships to. It's not about the McDonald's All Americans - everyone knows how good they are. It's about the big swath of 2-3 star guys who can gain quite a bit by having a great AAU tournament. That said...AAU basketball is a cesspool.
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Post by bobgoodman on May 24, 2017 19:39:46 GMT -6
The vast majority of sponsors just want to be seen, and be seen as "community-minded", "helping children" or the like. The team with bad players is interesting to the players, the players' relatives, etc. Same with sponsoring community or children's theater with bad actors, bad productions, etc. Quality of product is not what it's about. Bob...sorry, but you are wrong. Quality IS important. How much did the Chicago White Sox get for their new stadium sponsorship deal with Guaranteed Rate? How does that compare to the naming rights of other comparable MLB stadiums? How much do you think the Cubs would get if they were to ever offer naming rights for Wrigley Field? Now...if we are just talking about Chico's Bail Bonds buying hats and t-shirts for the local little league baseball team, then that is different because it is such a small output of cash for the company. But Nike and Under Armor and Addidas , etc, etc aren't sponsoring those kinds of youth teams. They are sponsoring the big-name teams with big-name players who are going to get a lot of exposure. Sponsors of Little League, in aggregate, represent the far greater portion of sports sponsorship than sponsors of MLB teams. What are we discussing here, major league sports? No, it was about AAU basketball teams. And the sponsor there doesn't care if they go 0-fer the season, or even what season they play in. "We sponsor the Laughing Hyenas."
"Are they that choir?" "No, they play basketball, I think. Or maybe they're a marching band, I forget." "Huh, I thought they were that troupe that goes around cheering hospital patients up." "You sure they're not that self-help group trying to kick narcotics?" "I was sure they did animal rescue. Or it was an animal act."
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Post by Chris Clement on May 24, 2017 20:11:44 GMT -6
Even if we posit that the sponsors are trying to get market value advertising they still don't care if the team is good. If an AAU U18 basketball team wins the national championship it won't really help Ray's auto body, all those fresh eyeballs are out of state. A U6 girls soccer team has just as many parents with just as many cars.
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Post by 19delta on May 24, 2017 20:32:43 GMT -6
Bob...sorry, but you are wrong. Quality IS important. How much did the Chicago White Sox get for their new stadium sponsorship deal with Guaranteed Rate? How does that compare to the naming rights of other comparable MLB stadiums? How much do you think the Cubs would get if they were to ever offer naming rights for Wrigley Field? Now...if we are just talking about Chico's Bail Bonds buying hats and t-shirts for the local little league baseball team, then that is different because it is such a small output of cash for the company. But Nike and Under Armor and Addidas , etc, etc aren't sponsoring those kinds of youth teams. They are sponsoring the big-name teams with big-name players who are going to get a lot of exposure. Sponsors of Little League, in aggregate, represent the far greater portion of sports sponsorship than sponsors of MLB teams. What are we discussing here, major league sports? No, it was about AAU basketball teams. And the sponsor there doesn't care if they go 0-fer the season, or even what season they play in. "We sponsor the Laughing Hyenas."
"Are they that choir?" "No, they play basketball, I think. Or maybe they're a marching band, I forget." "Huh, I thought they were that troupe that goes around cheering hospital patients up." "You sure they're not that self-help group trying to kick narcotics?" "I was sure they did animal rescue. Or it was an animal act." Bob, You are one red track suit away from being this guy: archer.wikia.com/wiki/Barry_Dylan?file=BarryCyborg.png
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Post by 19delta on May 24, 2017 20:35:32 GMT -6
Even if we posit that the sponsors are trying to get market value advertising they still don't care if the team is good. If an AAU U18 basketball team wins the national championship it won't really help Ray's auto body, all those fresh eyeballs are out of state. A U6 girls soccer team has just as many parents with just as many cars. Ray's Auto Body is not sponsoring top-level AAU teams.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 24, 2017 20:36:23 GMT -6
No but it explains why Ray is cool with sponsoring a crappy AAU team.
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Post by 19delta on May 24, 2017 20:39:17 GMT -6
No but it explains why Ray is cool with sponsoring a crappy AAU team. In that case, Ray has a lot in common with Chico's Bail Bonds. I addressed that a few posts up.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 24, 2017 20:47:42 GMT -6
Ok but there's also two totally different levels of AAU team.
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Post by 19delta on May 24, 2017 22:29:59 GMT -6
Ok but there's also two totally different levels of AAU team. There's probably more than two. But, whatever the top levels are, Chico and Ray aren't sponsoring them.
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Post by newhope on May 25, 2017 9:48:03 GMT -6
Can't just blame AAU basketball. Travel, showcase, and legion baseball are just as bad if not worse around here. Telling kids they need to just play baseball year round to get a scholarship when last time I checked college baseball programs just had 12 scholarships to give out. And almost none are full scholarships! Great quote from a late, great AD I once had (after having words with a soccer player over travel soccer): "Dumbazz parents spending $20,000 so their kid can get a $500 scholarship"
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Post by jlenwood on May 25, 2017 10:34:36 GMT -6
It seems most of the negatives on here are because: -It takes away from football -It is stupid to do if you can't play for your HS -It is a scam for $$ for AAU -Most don't get scholarships
I have a question for those against AAU, (and I don't really care one way or the other), how many of your schools have an athletic department that actually EDUCATES the parents on the "scholarship" process. How many of you football coaches have made EDUCATING the parents and players on what the facts are on scholarships?
I see on twitter all the time, and on this board about how colleges want multi sport athletes. Anybody ever think that the best athletes that are scholarship worthy are probably the best athletes at that school already? If I lost a kid to AAU, or another sport for that matter, which has happened to me before, I don't look at it like a failure on the part of the kid, but rather a failure on the part of the football program to seem worthwhile for that kid to stay in football.
I had 3 kids go through school as the top athletes in their class, at a minimum top 5. They played mutli sports, and even rec league stuff when they were younger. They had friends that played all the AAU, JO volleyball, traveling baseball, you name it. Those kids never had summers, never had any down time and played a sport yer round. Guess what, 5-6 years out of HS they are all in the same boat.....finishing college, working and starting their life.
Now you may have a situation of a parent being an a$$ and forcing their kids to do some of this stuff, but if a kid wants to play AAU basketball, so be it.
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Post by airraider on Mar 27, 2019 7:19:57 GMT -6
Anyone here in a state that restricts coaches from coaching AAU and at a High School?
We are looking at writing up a rule change where we would not allow AAU coaches to coach at member schools.
We have several private schools who share attendance zones with public schools.
If I am a private school coach and there are some kids who are really good at basketball in the lower grades... 5th-8th... I could simply hire their AAU coach as a non-faculty coach and up my chances of those kids making us their school of choice once they enter the 9th grade... or changing over while still in the lower grades.
I am not sure that this has happened, but it could... and possibly/probably has.
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Post by newhope on Mar 27, 2019 12:16:12 GMT -6
Mama said AAU basketball was the Debil 7 on 7 football teams are in the same realm
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Post by MICoach on Mar 27, 2019 13:37:47 GMT -6
I watch Tigers on TV or listen to them on radio. Used to watch Yankees any time they were on because Derek Jeter was from my HS - he made them forget about me there (hah) - so yes I still like it. Another West Michigan guy! Good stuff! On the AAU topic - we have a kid who will almost assuredly be playing D1 basketball. He's a pretty good football player, a starter but not a superstar. He makes a pretty strong effort to make all of the football stuff, and occasionally if he has to miss a Sunday he tells us a week or two in advance. This is pretty reasonable. What I can't wrap my head around is the kids who have not been able to see the writing on the wall that they are not going to play college basketball but still miss football for AAU basketball. On top of that, they're usually sneaky about it and don't tell us. We had a sophomore on varsity getting consistent time, with potential to be a two way starter as a junior. More than once he skipped our film/lift over the weekend for AAU basketball without so much as a text to a coach.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 27, 2019 19:14:03 GMT -6
I watch Tigers on TV or listen to them on radio. Used to watch Yankees any time they were on because Derek Jeter was from my HS - he made them forget about me there (hah) - so yes I still like it. Another West Michigan guy! Good stuff! On the AAU topic - we have a kid who will almost assuredly be playing D1 basketball. He's a pretty good football player, a starter but not a superstar. He makes a pretty strong effort to make all of the football stuff, and occasionally if he has to miss a Sunday he tells us a week or two in advance. This is pretty reasonable. What I can't wrap my head around is the kids who have not been able to see the writing on the wall that they are not going to play college basketball but still miss football for AAU basketball. On top of that, they're usually sneaky about it and don't tell us. We had a sophomore on varsity getting consistent time, with potential to be a two way starter as a junior. More than once he skipped our film/lift over the weekend for AAU basketball without so much as a text to a coach. You can't wrap your head around a 15 year old choosing to play a basketball game rather than watching football film or lifting?
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Post by MICoach on Mar 28, 2019 5:58:04 GMT -6
Another West Michigan guy! Good stuff! On the AAU topic - we have a kid who will almost assuredly be playing D1 basketball. He's a pretty good football player, a starter but not a superstar. He makes a pretty strong effort to make all of the football stuff, and occasionally if he has to miss a Sunday he tells us a week or two in advance. This is pretty reasonable. What I can't wrap my head around is the kids who have not been able to see the writing on the wall that they are not going to play college basketball but still miss football for AAU basketball. On top of that, they're usually sneaky about it and don't tell us. We had a sophomore on varsity getting consistent time, with potential to be a two way starter as a junior. More than once he skipped our film/lift over the weekend for AAU basketball without so much as a text to a coach. You can't wrap your head around a 15 year old choosing to play a basketball game rather than watching football film or lifting? I'd say I can't wrap my head around a kid being intentionally deceptive to their coaches to miss an in season event, and then being upset when they face repercussions for that choice.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 28, 2019 17:42:06 GMT -6
You can't wrap your head around a 15 year old choosing to play a basketball game rather than watching football film or lifting? I'd say I can't wrap my head around a kid being intentionally deceptive to their coaches to miss an in season event, and then being upset when they face repercussions for that choice. That makes more sense. I tell my students (ages 5-12) all the time "Why are you upset? You know the rule, you chose to break that rule. What did you think was going to happen?" Of course, we are living in a world where LSU's basketball coach Will Wade still thinks he should be coaching after being recorded on an FBI wire tap complaining to a convicted felon about the "offer" he made to a kid's "handler"...
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Post by s73 on Mar 28, 2019 17:57:05 GMT -6
I'd say I can't wrap my head around a kid being intentionally deceptive to their coaches to miss an in season event, and then being upset when they face repercussions for that choice. That makes more sense. I tell my students (ages 5-12) all the time "Why are you upset? You know the rule, you chose to break that rule. What did you think was going to happen?" Of course, we are living in a world where LSU's basketball coach Will Wade still thinks he should be coaching after being recorded on an FBI wire tap complaining to a convicted felon about the "offer" he made to a kid's "handler"... Don't want to be too specific here as it's still kid and all. But, had a kid (starter) text me Sunday evening last season the week of our play off game that he wasn't going to be present for the game as he had a previous sporting commitment the day of our game. Yes, sent a text. Needless to say I removed him from the squad. Mom called all irate and I said, fine, I'll let him finish in good standing if he comes and talks w/ me personally about it. She said, I don't think he'll do that. I said, that;s his choice then. She then vilified me to many parents for not seeking him out instead and offering him a 2nd chance. Was unfortunate b/c he is likable enough, starter and overall had no prior bad history with him. Whole thing sucked.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 28, 2019 18:02:57 GMT -6
That makes more sense. I tell my students (ages 5-12) all the time "Why are you upset? You know the rule, you chose to break that rule. What did you think was going to happen?" Of course, we are living in a world where LSU's basketball coach Will Wade still thinks he should be coaching after being recorded on an FBI wire tap complaining to a convicted felon about the "offer" he made to a kid's "handler"... Don't want to be too specific here as it's still kid and all. But, had a kid (starter) text me Sunday evening last season the week of our play off game that he wasn't going to be present for the game as he had a previous sporting commitment the day of our game. Yes, sent a text. Needless to say I removed him from the squad. Mom called all irate and I said, fine, I'll let him finish in good standing if he comes and talks w/ me personally about it. She said, I don't think he'll do that. I said, that;s his choice then. She then vilified me to many parents for not seeking him out instead and offering him a 2nd chance. Was unfortunate b/c he is likable enough, starter and overall had no prior bad history with him. Whole thing sucked. So frustrating. People (parents and kids) don't seem to realize that you no longer have a TEAM when kids want to do everything and can't commit to some things. You have an activity.
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Post by JoshC on Apr 2, 2019 14:42:03 GMT -6
That makes more sense. I tell my students (ages 5-12) all the time "Why are you upset? You know the rule, you chose to break that rule. What did you think was going to happen?" Of course, we are living in a world where LSU's basketball coach Will Wade still thinks he should be coaching after being recorded on an FBI wire tap complaining to a convicted felon about the "offer" he made to a kid's "handler"... Don't want to be too specific here as it's still kid and all. But, had a kid (starter) text me Sunday evening last season the week of our play off game that he wasn't going to be present for the game as he had a previous sporting commitment the day of our game. Yes, sent a text. Needless to say I removed him from the squad. Mom called all irate and I said, fine, I'll let him finish in good standing if he comes and talks w/ me personally about it. She said, I don't think he'll do that. I said, that;s his choice then. She then vilified me to many parents for not seeking him out instead and offering him a 2nd chance. Was unfortunate b/c he is likable enough, starter and overall had no prior bad history with him. Whole thing sucked. Similar experience. Was our first year at a historically bad program and we made the playoffs for the first time in 20 years. Well our starting RT decided that it was a good idea to miss the playoff game for a Lacrosse Camp. Not a game, but a camp. Then he got mad at the HC and I when we told him that he'd be on scout team, telling us that there aren't any other seniors playing scout and he shouldn't have to either.
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