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Post by carookie on Apr 26, 2017 11:14:27 GMT -6
I got one, but its really more about education in general though. Whenever they update standards, or learning requirements, or teaching methods required, etc. and the committee that comes up with it is full of parents and members of the community. I am a professional teacher, it is my profession; I studies hard to become a teacher. I develop lessons, I know how to manage a classroom, and increase rigor of learning. If you want to hire a bunch of "educationeers" to write policy then thats fine (they at least have a background, and are learned in methods); but to bring in moms and dads just because they are stakeholders is insulting. When you are teaching doctors how to preform surgery you don't first get advice from auto mechanics; when building a skyscraper you aren't asking me about construction techniques. But for some reason everyone in the community gets a say in teaching? Asinine. I wouldn't mind this, to be honest. Let them come up with the standards and curriculum and I'll teach it EXACTLY as they want. This will back them into a corner if they come to my room, b-tching about things. "Well, this is what the community wanted so this is what I am teaching... Maybe you folks need to revise the curriculum a bit more.." Screw that. Once again think if they did that with your football program (let mom and dad decide how to run things); I'm sure we've all had those moments where we wanted to call loudmouth dad out and have him try to run a practice just so it would shut him up. But thats not what is best for the kids. I teach my class now pretty close to EXACTLY how I want because that is the best way I know how, I would hate to have to teach it how people who don't know the profession would want just to show them they are wrong.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 26, 2017 11:24:59 GMT -6
Much like the way 7 on 7 coaches and training "gurus" are making money on the backs of children, many districts are paying "consultants" an arm and a leg just to show up and meet with the teachers that are doing the real work.
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Post by fantom on Apr 26, 2017 11:27:18 GMT -6
I got one, but its really more about education in general though. Whenever they update standards, or learning requirements, or teaching methods required, etc. and the committee that comes up with it is full of parents and members of the community. I am a professional teacher, it is my profession; I studies hard to become a teacher. I develop lessons, I know how to manage a classroom, and increase rigor of learning. If you want to hire a bunch of "educationeers" to write policy then thats fine (they at least have a background, and are learned in methods); but to bring in moms and dads just because they are stakeholders is insulting. When you are teaching doctors how to preform surgery you don't first get advice from auto mechanics; when building a skyscraper you aren't asking me about construction techniques. But for some reason everyone in the community gets a say in teaching? Asinine. I wouldn't mind this, to be honest. Let them come up with the standards and curriculum and I'll teach it EXACTLY as they want. This will back them into a corner if they come to my room, b-tching about things. "Well, this is what the community wanted so this is what I am teaching... Maybe you folks need to revise the curriculum a bit more.." Does the community get fired if it doesn't work?
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 26, 2017 11:30:32 GMT -6
Could you please call Betsy DeVos and explain this to her?
Lol... Oh, she will figure it out soon enough. As will every politician that supports the public school voucher system. We have a state superintendent that's been pushing it and she's in for a rude awakening. Here's how I explain it to people that don't understand the private school system: "Lil Johnny is a screw up in school and is failing. Mommy and Daddy claim that it's the "Evil Public School System's" fault because we're "unionized and have poor teachers." Lil Johnny gets to bounce to St. Patrick's School For Talented Irish Teens and St. Patrick's School For Talented Irish Teens gets money from the state in the form of a voucher. St. Patrick's School For Talented Irish Teens knows that Lil Johnny isn't going to cut the mustard but takes him anyway because they get some free money out of the deal. Lil Johnny screws up even worse because they don't have to offer IEPs or any accommodations and ends up kicked out of St. Pat's, is another year behind in school and ends up right back at the "Evil Public School". Meanwhile, people that support the public schools are furious because not only do they vote for school levies but their tax dollars just went to St. Pat's as well." Charter schools fall along the same lines but tax payer dollars are going towards funding the schools AND funding the vouchers for the kids. I hope you don't mind but I'm going to be plagiarizing this example!!! Absolutely perfect!!! I also wonder what these private schools will be doing with some of that free money. I won't be surprised to see some more athletes get "scholarshiped" at these schools.
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Post by fantom on Apr 26, 2017 11:43:36 GMT -6
The thing that drove me nuts was unnecessary paper work.
Every semester we had to fill in a paper survey about how many white males/non-white males/white females.non-white females in each grade passed the course, didn't pass the course, passed the exam, and didn't pass the exam. The report cards and test results were computerized so they already had that data but we still had to get it and write it down with a pen on paper.
What I really enjoy is finding out that the nine page survey that you were required to complete was primarily used for some assistant superintendent's doctoral thesis.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 26, 2017 12:04:30 GMT -6
Unfortunately coachcb Betsy DeVos was the big mover and shaker behind vouchers and charter schools in our state, and has been doing so for over 20 years. Neither she, her husband, or her children attended a public school, ever. Yeah, she wasn't a popular choice in this state, at all. In fact she had like 35% of the popular vote in the country. The private schools in this state do just fine but the charter schools have been floundering for awhile. They have had problems with funding across the board, can't get teachers because they pay for chit (no union..) and they can barely keep the doors open. Charter schools only function well if there's private donors that will keep shelling over a ton of cash. That won't happen in many states.
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Post by **** on Apr 26, 2017 12:32:09 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind this, to be honest. Let them come up with the standards and curriculum and I'll teach it EXACTLY as they want. This will back them into a corner if they come to my room, b-tching about things. "Well, this is what the community wanted so this is what I am teaching... Maybe you folks need to revise the curriculum a bit more.." Does the community get fired if it doesn't work? I literally LOL'd in class when I read this
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Post by coachcb on Apr 26, 2017 12:32:23 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind this, to be honest. Let them come up with the standards and curriculum and I'll teach it EXACTLY as they want. This will back them into a corner if they come to my room, b-tching about things. "Well, this is what the community wanted so this is what I am teaching... Maybe you folks need to revise the curriculum a bit more.." Screw that. Once again think if they did that with your football program (let mom and dad decide how to run things); I'm sure we've all had those moments where we wanted to call loudmouth dad out and have him try to run a practice just so it would shut him up. But thats not what is best for the kids. I teach my class now pretty close to EXACTLY how I want because that is the best way I know how, I would hate to have to teach it how people who don't know the profession would want just to show them they are wrong. Oh, I agree. I teach things the way I want to teach them. But, if they want to over-reach and establish curriculum and turn me into a trained monkey, then so be it. It'll be right back on them when their kids fail the class or fail college entrance exams. I wouldn't stay longer than a year in that situation and I'd laugh all the way out the door.
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Post by gccwolverine on Apr 26, 2017 12:52:46 GMT -6
This is gonna sound weird, but 90% of any classroom annoyances I have are with other teachers. Particularly those who don't do a good job of engaging and educating. Students bottle flipping, texting in class, or not participating, at least in my view, is a sign of not engaging them enough. If it were just about delivering information to the kids then I would have them sit in a massive study hall and learn from an online lecturer; have a couple security guards walk around and call it school (save a lot of money that way). But thats not our job as teachers, our job is to engage these kids- and it can be difficult to make them want to be a part of something compulsory that on the surface is boring- so that they learn. My number one issue is with "I am here to teach and you are here to learn" teacher. Not because the statement is factually incorrect, technically it is right, rather because said teacher usually doesnt actually teach, they just hand out assignments and drone on. Add on to that the- I can't control my classroom teacher, although usually I feel compelled to help them a bit more if they are trying. And how much engagement exists in a college classroom? Or in an office setting working to complete a task you boss has given you? I too believe that there needs to be engagement in engaging lessons built into what you do but its also true that knowledge and education comes through sweat equity. At some point it boils down to you have to role up your sleeves do the task and put the work in. By making things as engaging as possible all the time for these kids aren't we eventually doing them a disservice?
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Post by CoachSP on Apr 26, 2017 13:04:52 GMT -6
1. I hated bottle flipping until I tried it. True story.
2. Classroom-wise: Some days are boring, and some days are interesting. That's life. Kids need to learn the skill of "suck it up and do it. It ain't always fun."
3. I really rage when kids walk in and ask, "What are we doing today?" Seriously kid? I will tell you when the bell starts class.
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Post by gccwolverine on Apr 26, 2017 13:08:12 GMT -6
1. I hated bottle flipping until I tried it. True story. 2. Classroom-wise: Some days are boring, and some days are interesting. That's life. Kids need to learn the skill of "suck it up and do it. It ain't always fun." 3. I really rage when kids walk in and ask, "What are we doing today?" Seriously kid? I will tell you when the bell starts class. Jesus yes to number 3.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 26, 2017 13:19:36 GMT -6
1. I hated bottle flipping until I tried it. True story. 2. Classroom-wise: Some days are boring, and some days are interesting. That's life. Kids need to learn the skill of "suck it up and do it. It ain't always fun." 3. I really rage when kids walk in and ask, "What are we doing today?" Seriously kid? I will tell you when the bell starts class. How about you glance at the phucin agenda board that I post on. You can see what we are doing all week, when we are doing it, and why. Or the famous "did we do anything yesterday?" Nope, we were waiting for you.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 26, 2017 13:33:08 GMT -6
I suppose the only other thing that makes me lose it is a student that is a flat-out sociopath. I have a junior right now that is absolutely brilliant in mathematics but she is sneaky, manipulative and will lie to your face without batting an eye.
I caught her trying to get answers off of someone in the middle of a test. She was turned to her left, trying to talk to them and looking at their paper. I walked up, asked her for her test, told her that she had a zero and asked her to go to the office. She looks at me square in the eye and says "I haven't said a word all period, I don't know what your problem is."
I caught her with her phone in the middle of class one day. The damn thing was sitting in her lap and she was texting while I was walking around the room. She saw me coming over and tucked the phone in her pocket. I asked her for it (as per school policy) and she looks up and tells me "I put the phone in the box at the front of the room, just like I am supposed to."
She has pulled chit like this repeatedly this year and I cringe when her class period comes around because she's an absolute PITA.
I had a meeting with her, her mother and the administration a few months back and she started off with some crocodile tears saying that "she doesn't feel comfortable in my room because I don't like her."
I told her point blank that I'm not comfortable having her in the room either as I can't trust a word that comes out of her mouth.
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 26, 2017 13:35:04 GMT -6
This is gonna sound weird, but 90% of any classroom annoyances I have are with other teachers. Particularly those who don't do a good job of engaging and educating. Students bottle flipping, texting in class, or not participating, at least in my view, is a sign of not engaging them enough. If it were just about delivering information to the kids then I would have them sit in a massive study hall and learn from an online lecturer; have a couple security guards walk around and call it school (save a lot of money that way). But thats not our job as teachers, our job is to engage these kids- and it can be difficult to make them want to be a part of something compulsory that on the surface is boring- so that they learn. My number one issue is with "I am here to teach and you are here to learn" teacher. Not because the statement is factually incorrect, technically it is right, rather because said teacher usually doesnt actually teach, they just hand out assignments and drone on. Add on to that the- I can't control my classroom teacher, although usually I feel compelled to help them a bit more if they are trying. And how much engagement exists in a college classroom? Or in an office setting working to complete a task you boss has given you? I too believe that there needs to be engagement in engaging lessons built into what you do but its also true that knowledge and education comes through sweat equity. At some point it boils down to you have to role up your sleeves do the task and put the work in. By making things as engaging as possible all the time for these kids aren't we eventually doing them a disservice? Boss: hey jenkins why didn't you study up on those structural blueprints for that bridge we go the contract on? employee: I looked at them, and I tried to read the relevant literature on bridge functionality to be ready for this meeting, but I just didn't find the material very engaging, to be honest it was a lot of "sit and get". Whaddaya say we break out some popsicle sticks and elbow macaroni and you show me how it works in an kinetic and engaging format? and before that you should ask me some questions about my life to show that you care about me as a person, not just an employee boss: ......never come back to this office
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Post by carookie on Apr 26, 2017 13:38:17 GMT -6
This is gonna sound weird, but 90% of any classroom annoyances I have are with other teachers. Particularly those who don't do a good job of engaging and educating. Students bottle flipping, texting in class, or not participating, at least in my view, is a sign of not engaging them enough. If it were just about delivering information to the kids then I would have them sit in a massive study hall and learn from an online lecturer; have a couple security guards walk around and call it school (save a lot of money that way). But thats not our job as teachers, our job is to engage these kids- and it can be difficult to make them want to be a part of something compulsory that on the surface is boring- so that they learn. My number one issue is with "I am here to teach and you are here to learn" teacher. Not because the statement is factually incorrect, technically it is right, rather because said teacher usually doesnt actually teach, they just hand out assignments and drone on. Add on to that the- I can't control my classroom teacher, although usually I feel compelled to help them a bit more if they are trying. And how much engagement exists in a college classroom? Or in an office setting working to complete a task you boss has given you? I too believe that there needs to be engagement in engaging lessons built into what you do but its also true that knowledge and education comes through sweat equity. At some point it boils down to you have to role up your sleeves do the task and put the work in. By making things as engaging as possible all the time for these kids aren't we eventually doing them a disservice? I've had this discussion many times. Just because college professors profess (and don't teach) doesnt mean I should too. I believe my way is superior, and as such I am not going to do things inferior just to match what others are doing. Should wing-t HS teams stop running the wing-t just because most NCAA teams are running the spread?
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Post by carookie on Apr 26, 2017 13:47:55 GMT -6
And how much engagement exists in a college classroom? Or in an office setting working to complete a task you boss has given you? I too believe that there needs to be engagement in engaging lessons built into what you do but its also true that knowledge and education comes through sweat equity. At some point it boils down to you have to role up your sleeves do the task and put the work in. By making things as engaging as possible all the time for these kids aren't we eventually doing them a disservice? Boss: hey jenkins why didn't you study up on those structural blueprints for that bridge we go the contract on? employee: I looked at them, and I tried to read the relevant literature on bridge functionality to be ready for this meeting, but I just didn't find the material very engaging, to be honest it was a lot of "sit and get". Whaddaya say we break out some popsicle sticks and elbow macaroni and you show me how it works in an kinetic and engaging format? and before that you should ask me some questions about my life to show that you care about me as a person, not just an employee boss: ......never come back to this office It seems as if you are implying that engaging lessons mean there is no rigor or accountability. I can assure you that is not true. Just because I do the best job I can to deliver content in a method that creates long lasting, memorable connections does not mean students are not required to work hard, or opt out if things are not done to their liking. Correlate it to the field; do we just throw a playbook at our kids and say, "be ready to do it perfectly come Friday night"? Or do we come up with the best way to have them practice so they are best prepared to execute it on friday night. If we are coming up with drills to better instill execution is that any different from the proverbial elbow macaroni?
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 26, 2017 13:57:23 GMT -6
Boss: hey jenkins why didn't you study up on those structural blueprints for that bridge we go the contract on? employee: I looked at them, and I tried to read the relevant literature on bridge functionality to be ready for this meeting, but I just didn't find the material very engaging, to be honest it was a lot of "sit and get". Whaddaya say we break out some popsicle sticks and elbow macaroni and you show me how it works in an kinetic and engaging format? and before that you should ask me some questions about my life to show that you care about me as a person, not just an employee boss: ......never come back to this office It seems as if you are implying that engaging lessons mean there is no rigor or accountability. I can assure you that is not true. Just because I do the best job I can to deliver content in a method that creates long lasting, memorable connections does not mean students are not required to work hard, or opt out if things are not done to their liking. Correlate it to the field; do we just throw a playbook at our kids and say, "be ready to do it perfectly come Friday night"? Or do we come up with the best way to have them practice so they are best prepared to execute it on friday night. If we are coming up with drills to better instill execution is that any different from the proverbial elbow macaroni? not implying anything, just making a joke. I think it's fair to say that the pendulum can always swing too far one way or the other, from the classic "ferris bueller's day off" teacher droning on, to the class that makes a chit ton of posterboards but don't really learn much that matters. My post is a reaction to the current climate where a teacher opens up a powerpoint and starts lecturing and all of the hens gasp and faint in total disgust, or (god forbid!) somebody is asked to read a textbook and a committee is formed to address the problem everybody's different, but the things that I really learned in the course of my education mostly came from a lot of hard work and intellectual digging I had a history of american warfare class...the semester paper was designed for us to write about something the professor didn't know...we drew our topics out of a hat mine was "what is the status of post WW2 debts owed to the United States from the Scandinavian countries" I had to work my ass off to write that paper, and in so doing I had a learn a crap ton about the war, how war debts work, the politics of repayment, etc. etc. etc. it sucked, but in the end it was awesome, we all turned in our papers and felt like we actually knew something real, that kind of teaching suits my personality, to each his own
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Post by fantom on Apr 26, 2017 14:47:26 GMT -6
It seems as if you are implying that engaging lessons mean there is no rigor or accountability. I can assure you that is not true. Just because I do the best job I can to deliver content in a method that creates long lasting, memorable connections does not mean students are not required to work hard, or opt out if things are not done to their liking. Correlate it to the field; do we just throw a playbook at our kids and say, "be ready to do it perfectly come Friday night"? Or do we come up with the best way to have them practice so they are best prepared to execute it on friday night. If we are coming up with drills to better instill execution is that any different from the proverbial elbow macaroni? not implying anything, just making a joke. I think it's fair to say that the pendulum can always swing too far one way or the other, from the classic "ferris bueller's day off" teacher droning on, to the class that makes a chit ton of posterboards but don't really learn much that matters. My post is a reaction to the current climate where a teacher opens up a powerpoint and starts lecturing and all of the hens gasp and faint in total disgust, or (god forbid!) somebody is asked to read a textbook and a committee is formed to address the problem everybody's different, but the things that I really learned in the course of my education mostly came from a lot of hard work and intellectual digging I had a history of american warfare class...the semester paper was designed for us to write about something the professor didn't know...we drew our topics out of a hat mine was "what is the status of post WW2 debts owed to the United States from the Scandinavian countries" I had to work my ass off to write that paper, and in so doing I had a learn a crap ton about the war, how war debts work, the politics of repayment, etc. etc. etc. it sucked, but in the end it was awesome, we all turned in our papers and felt like we actually knew something real, that kind of teaching suits my personality, to each his own In college, in a class that YOU chose to enroll in. It's different with 13-17 year olds who don't quite have this learning thing figured out and are only in there because it's required. I'm not big on posters and other types of projects either because, like you, I think that the only thing that you learn by making a poster is how to make a poster. After teaching middle school social studies I'll be happy if I never see another popsickle stick model of Jamestown fort again I'll be happy. However, you do have to find ways to make it interesting to people who do not naturally find it interesting.
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Post by carookie on Apr 26, 2017 15:19:58 GMT -6
not implying anything, just making a joke. I think it's fair to say that the pendulum can always swing too far one way or the other, from the classic "ferris bueller's day off" teacher droning on, to the class that makes a chit ton of posterboards but don't really learn much that matters. My post is a reaction to the current climate where a teacher opens up a powerpoint and starts lecturing and all of the hens gasp and faint in total disgust, or (god forbid!) somebody is asked to read a textbook and a committee is formed to address the problem everybody's different, but the things that I really learned in the course of my education mostly came from a lot of hard work and intellectual digging I had a history of american warfare class...the semester paper was designed for us to write about something the professor didn't know...we drew our topics out of a hat mine was "what is the status of post WW2 debts owed to the United States from the Scandinavian countries" I had to work my ass off to write that paper, and in so doing I had a learn a crap ton about the war, how war debts work, the politics of repayment, etc. etc. etc. it sucked, but in the end it was awesome, we all turned in our papers and felt like we actually knew something real, that kind of teaching suits my personality, to each his own In college, in a class that YOU chose to enroll in. It's different with 13-17 year olds who don't quite have this learning thing figured out and are only in there because it's required. I'm not big on posters and other types of projects either because, like you, I think that the only thing that you learn by making a poster is how to make a poster. After teaching middle school social studies I'll be happy if I never see another popsickle stick model of Jamestown fort again I'll be happy. However, you do have to find ways to make it interesting to people who do not naturally find it interesting. I am not writing you, but I think there is a misconception that engagement equates to projects and posters. I almost never do projects and posters. But I may make a board game that simulates social problems during WWI, or have students compete to force others out of a taped out box on the floor to correlate it to Bleeding Kansas, or have students step to one side of the room or another based on their viewpoints on FDRs economic policies. Engagement usually means doing something interesting to correlate to the lecture or reading and tying the two together.
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Post by fantom on Apr 26, 2017 15:37:45 GMT -6
In college, in a class that YOU chose to enroll in. It's different with 13-17 year olds who don't quite have this learning thing figured out and are only in there because it's required. I'm not big on posters and other types of projects either because, like you, I think that the only thing that you learn by making a poster is how to make a poster. After teaching middle school social studies I'll be happy if I never see another popsickle stick model of Jamestown fort again I'll be happy. However, you do have to find ways to make it interesting to people who do not naturally find it interesting. I am not writing you, but I think there is a misconception that engagement equates to projects and posters. I almost never do projects and posters. But I may make a board game that simulates social problems during WWI, or have students compete to force others out of a taped out box on the floor to correlate it to Bleeding Kansas, or have students step to one side of the room or another based on their viewpoints on FDRs economic policies. Engagement usually means doing something interesting to correlate to the lecture or reading and tying the two together. I agree with you. I think that some people equate engagement with arts and crafts but I believe that the best way to engage is to be engaged. That's why I advise prospective teachers not to major in a subject that doesn't interest them.
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 26, 2017 19:30:32 GMT -6
I have gotten past much of the BS but what gripes me is kids that ask when their paper will be graded after I was nice enough to extend the date of an overdue assignment...
ps, yes I know that you give a zero for anything that is a minute late...I, to my detriment, offer 1/2 credit for a late assignment..I figure I wouldn't have assigned the project to the kid if I didn't want it done..a 50/100 is pretty hurtful and the kid did the assignment..
Gripe #2 we are not allowed to give a grade below a 50 for each quarter. so a kid could get a 71 quarter 1, a 70 quarter 2 and literally do NOTHING the rest of the year and pass
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Post by famar on Apr 26, 2017 20:10:15 GMT -6
Inspired by my thread about what makes you a rage in our game, and the funny things we see in the classroom thread, what makes you rage in the classroom? I'm an instructional aide in an alternative school, so a lot of the gripes that have been expressed in this thread I see tenfold on a daily basis. Our "school" and I use that term loosely, is a portrait of dysfunction for a multitude of reasons: 1) Spineless administration that enables the kids' bad behavior: a) I was the acting math teacher for the first two months of the school year until they found a suitable replacement. Since it as "my classroom" I drafted the rules for my class, one of which was no eating or drinking. Kid comes in the day after we went over the rules with breakfast from McDonald's because he showed up to school at 10:00. I told him he couldn't eat in my room, he got loud and disrespectful, I sent him out and wrote him up. I get called into the office at the end of the day and am told that the no food and drink rule is unreasonable and I have to change it. b) The same kid from the above comes to school high at least once a week (when he bothers to show up) and when the bus aide filed a report for him reeking of weed, our educational supervisor gets upset that he filed the paperwork. This same kid also sold a bag of weed to another student and not only wasn't suspended, the cops weren't even called (so much for "Drug Free School Zones). c) School rules that change on an hourly, daily, or weekly basis. d) Once last year, the old math teacher I worked with sent two POS' out of the room because they were loud and obnoxious and they wouldn't stop. They go and tell the supervisor and principal that he had called them the N word, and rather than ask him what happened, they accused him of calling them the N word. This in spite of the fact the we have cameras in our classroom and they could have reviewed the film and heard that he never said it. e) I was attacked (bitten on the wrist, actually) by a student this year, and true to form, our supervisor blamed the teacher I worked with rather than the student who bit me.
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Post by lions23 on Apr 26, 2017 20:29:07 GMT -6
I suppose the only other thing that makes me lose it is a student that is a flat-out sociopath. I have a junior right now that is absolutely brilliant in mathematics but she is sneaky, manipulative and will lie to your face without batting an eye. I caught her trying to get answers off of someone in the middle of a test. She was turned to her left, trying to talk to them and looking at their paper. I walked up, asked her for her test, told her that she had a zero and asked her to go to the office. She looks at me square in the eye and says "I haven't said a word all period, I don't know what your problem is." I caught her with her phone in the middle of class one day. The damn thing was sitting in her lap and she was texting while I was walking around the room. She saw me coming over and tucked the phone in her pocket. I asked her for it (as per school policy) and she looks up and tells me "I put the phone in the box at the front of the room, just like I am supposed to." She has pulled chit like this repeatedly this year and I cringe when her class period comes around because she's an absolute PITA. I had a meeting with her, her mother and the administration a few months back and she started off with some crocodile tears saying that "she doesn't feel comfortable in my room because I don't like her." I told her point blank that I'm not comfortable having her in the room either as I can't trust a word that comes out of her mouth. I don't take the test anymore. It takes too much away from the kids who are working hard. They get disrupted. I just give the kid an F in the book and write cheated in the comments. When they turn it in I throw it away. That way the kid has to come to me and ask about their F. They see in the comments I know they were cheating. Rarely anymore do they even address the situation. It's easier on me and the other students.
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Post by blb on Apr 27, 2017 6:55:58 GMT -6
When kids asked me "What are we doing today?" before class started, my reply was "This, that, and the other thing."
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Post by fantom on Apr 27, 2017 7:20:33 GMT -6
I suppose the only other thing that makes me lose it is a student that is a flat-out sociopath. I have a junior right now that is absolutely brilliant in mathematics but she is sneaky, manipulative and will lie to your face without batting an eye. I caught her trying to get answers off of someone in the middle of a test. She was turned to her left, trying to talk to them and looking at their paper. I walked up, asked her for her test, told her that she had a zero and asked her to go to the office. She looks at me square in the eye and says "I haven't said a word all period, I don't know what your problem is." I caught her with her phone in the middle of class one day. The damn thing was sitting in her lap and she was texting while I was walking around the room. She saw me coming over and tucked the phone in her pocket. I asked her for it (as per school policy) and she looks up and tells me "I put the phone in the box at the front of the room, just like I am supposed to." She has pulled chit like this repeatedly this year and I cringe when her class period comes around because she's an absolute PITA. I had a meeting with her, her mother and the administration a few months back and she started off with some crocodile tears saying that "she doesn't feel comfortable in my room because I don't like her." I told her point blank that I'm not comfortable having her in the room either as I can't trust a word that comes out of her mouth. I don't take the test anymore. It takes too much away from the kids who are working hard. They get disrupted. I just give the kid an F in the book and write cheated in the comments. When they turn it in I throw it away. That way the kid has to come to me and ask about their F. They see in the comments I know they were cheating. Rarely anymore do they even address the situation. It's easier on me and the other students. I also found that NOT immediately taking a cheater's test was an effective deterrent. When you catch one kid cheating during the test, there may be five who are happy that they got away with it.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 27, 2017 7:30:18 GMT -6
Bottle flipping is starting to die out in my school but every kid has a freaking fidget spinner now. Ready to take a sledgehammer to all of those things. I'm the ISS monitor at my school. It really frustrates me that most of the kids I see would be alright if their parents even gave half a crap. Just care a little bit! I'd never seen these fidget things until Monday. Now, there's about 20 kids that have them. We only have 15 school days left and I would wager half our boys will have one by then. Monkey see, monkey do. That is one thing that cracks me up about this generation and their parents. We're SOOOO dead set on proving to everyone that we're an individual. Tshirts screaming to everyone our personality, tattoos all over to show they're different, social media so you can further prove to your individuality, etc, etc. But ultimately they all do this stuff because everyone else does it. It humors me.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 27, 2017 7:40:19 GMT -6
Maybe I'm too lazy, or just too far gone, but I don't get real pissed at the stupid crap kids do anymore. We live in an era where their parents and the administration is generally more than happy to allow them to do whatever they want. They have the system by the balls and they know it. I don't try to fight it anymore. All it did was make me even more unhappy than I was before. Part of my move now is because my new place has an old school super who still holds kids accountable. In my interview I asked how much longer he has and he said 10 years. That will get me within 5 of retirement and I figure I can fight through that. I never really saw how much admins influence overall school culture until we changed them 3 times in the past 5 years and went from awesome ones to the opposite of awesome ones. Total flip night and day.
Current admin came to me asked me how come Jimmy didn't make up the quiz from Week 1 of the semester and I didn't give him a grade. I said he had missed the 2 weeks immediately after that quiz, including the day we took it, and hadn't asked about it when he got back. I said he had a 30% in the class and I didn't really think that now, 3 months later, it would really make much of a difference if he did take it. Admin says he wants me to give it to him so the kid can get his grade up and we can send him to an alternative school (little background- the kid had already dropped out of this alternative school and came back here- which is strictly against our rules- if you drop out of here to go to alternative we don't take you back- but we're about saving starfish here now so we took him back). I just said, "What grade do you want him to have in my class?" What do you mean he asked? I said just tell me the grade you want him to have and I'll put it in. We're just trying to shove the kid through anyway, so what does it matter. We're not trying to teach him anything. He got really pissed and said "We're trying to help this kid so he can get a diploma!" I said then he should just print one out give it to him then. He tromped off.
I think that was the beginning of the end of my time here.
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Post by fantom on Apr 27, 2017 7:40:41 GMT -6
Bottle flipping is starting to die out in my school but every kid has a freaking fidget spinner now. Ready to take a sledgehammer to all of those things. I'm the ISS monitor at my school. It really frustrates me that most of the kids I see would be alright if their parents even gave half a crap. Just care a little bit! I'd never seen these fidget things until Monday. Now, there's about 20 kids that have them. We only have 15 school days left and I would wager half our boys will have one by then. Monkey see, monkey do. That is one thing that cracks me up about this generation and their parents. We're SOOOO dead set on proving to everyone that we're an individual. Tshirts screaming to everyone our personality, tattoos all over to show they're different, social media so you can further prove to your individuality, etc, etc. But ultimately they all do this stuff because everyone else does it. It humors me. When I was a kid only sailors and bikers had tats (And nobody called them "tats") and there was no social media but we weren't so different from kids today.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 27, 2017 7:48:07 GMT -6
I'd never seen these fidget things until Monday. Now, there's about 20 kids that have them. We only have 15 school days left and I would wager half our boys will have one by then. Monkey see, monkey do. That is one thing that cracks me up about this generation and their parents. We're SOOOO dead set on proving to everyone that we're an individual. Tshirts screaming to everyone our personality, tattoos all over to show they're different, social media so you can further prove to your individuality, etc, etc. But ultimately they all do this stuff because everyone else does it. It humors me. When I was a kid only sailors and bikers had tats (And nobody called them "tats") and there was no social media but we weren't so different from kids today. I don't think everyone's groupthink was aimed at proving you were an individual as much in past eras though.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 27, 2017 8:17:29 GMT -6
I suppose the only other thing that makes me lose it is a student that is a flat-out sociopath. I have a junior right now that is absolutely brilliant in mathematics but she is sneaky, manipulative and will lie to your face without batting an eye. I caught her trying to get answers off of someone in the middle of a test. She was turned to her left, trying to talk to them and looking at their paper. I walked up, asked her for her test, told her that she had a zero and asked her to go to the office. She looks at me square in the eye and says "I haven't said a word all period, I don't know what your problem is." I caught her with her phone in the middle of class one day. The damn thing was sitting in her lap and she was texting while I was walking around the room. She saw me coming over and tucked the phone in her pocket. I asked her for it (as per school policy) and she looks up and tells me "I put the phone in the box at the front of the room, just like I am supposed to." She has pulled chit like this repeatedly this year and I cringe when her class period comes around because she's an absolute PITA. I had a meeting with her, her mother and the administration a few months back and she started off with some crocodile tears saying that "she doesn't feel comfortable in my room because I don't like her." I told her point blank that I'm not comfortable having her in the room either as I can't trust a word that comes out of her mouth. I don't take the test anymore. It takes too much away from the kids who are working hard. They get disrupted. I just give the kid an F in the book and write cheated in the comments. When they turn it in I throw it away. That way the kid has to come to me and ask about their F. They see in the comments I know they were cheating. Rarely anymore do they even address the situation. It's easier on me and the other students. I wish I could do that.... We're supposed to ship them down to the office immediately if we catch them cheating. They have had a problem with it in this school for a long time so cheating means an instant day of ISS.
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