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Post by coachfloyd on Feb 21, 2017 8:55:28 GMT -6
It also seems to be the young guys or less knowledgeable guys that panic in the game. I can't stand it. A few years ago we got into a playoff game where we had a blocked punt for a TD, onside kick, and muffed punt that resulted in a TD all in the first 5 minutes of the game. We went down 20-0. My qb coach who was a first year guy is going nuts on the sideline talking about how we weren't ready to play and all this and I finally just had to say shut up. Theres nothing we can do about it now but play. At the same time, my WR coach who was a veteran was saying, "Just weather the storm." We were better than than and ended up losing 26-22. We got screwed on one drive by some really tough holding calls that negated about 100 total yards on the whole drive. It just wasn't our night. But the WR coach was right. We almost came back. The momentum turned and the other team could see it. We just needed about 5 more minutes.
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Post by nicku on Feb 21, 2017 9:27:14 GMT -6
If you are always yelling or loud, eventually the kids will tune you out, so even if your message is a valid one it will not be received. I think a lot of coaches/bosses/parents/etc need to realize this. The HC I played for in HS is a great guy. Strict, demanding, tough...but also an incredibly caring, friendly person. Knew how to get onto players and let them know what was up without causing a scene or putting too much attention on one individual. So due to that, if he turned red or started to yell...that message wasn't getting tuned out AT ALL.
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Post by nicku on Feb 21, 2017 9:35:30 GMT -6
It also seems to be the young guys or less knowledgeable guys that panic in the game. I can't stand it. A few years ago we got into a playoff game where we had a blocked punt for a TD, onside kick, and muffed punt that resulted in a TD all in the first 5 minutes of the game. We went down 20-0. My qb coach who was a first year guy is going nuts on the sideline talking about how we weren't ready to play and all this and I finally just had to say shut up. Theres nothing we can do about it now but play. At the same time, my WR coach who was a veteran was saying, "Just weather the storm." We were better than than and ended up losing 26-22. We got screwed on one drive by some really tough holding calls that negated about 100 total yards on the whole drive. It just wasn't our night. But the WR coach was right. We almost came back. The momentum turned and the other team could see it. We just needed about 5 more minutes. Seems like a lot of us younger coaches purposely show those emotions or stomp around in an attempt to show that they care or are competitive...doesn't really work. I've wanted to coach since I was a little kid. I remember seeing John Gruden in the Super Bowl and thinking "THATS the kind of coach I want to be." As much as I still respect Gruden, that just ain't my style and never will be. I'd rather be the stoic figure, even though that doesn't look as cool as Coach Probst did on Two A Days
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Post by fshamrock on Feb 21, 2017 9:41:08 GMT -6
Just to play devil's advocate a bit Saban typically stomps around the sideline like a petulant child screaming at everybody and everything, seems to work for him.
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Post by fantom on Feb 21, 2017 9:59:40 GMT -6
Just to play devil's advocate a bit Saban typically stomps around the sideline like a petulant child screaming at everybody and everything, seems to work for him. Does he really do that "typically" or dis we just notice it when he was reaming Lane out?
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Post by blb on Feb 21, 2017 10:01:35 GMT -6
Just to play devil's advocate a bit Saban typically stomps around the sideline like a petulant child screaming at everybody and everything, seems to work for him. Does he really do that "typically" or dis we just notice it when he was reaming Lane out?
...and coaching Alabama little different deal than Smallville High.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Feb 21, 2017 10:18:02 GMT -6
If you are always yelling or loud, eventually the kids will tune you out, so even if your message is a valid one it will not be received. You need to learn how to use your voice, can't be a robot. Must think about what you do and say. The more I coached I didn't raise my voice often but when I did the kids understood it was danm important. It is not necessary to be a "juice" man to get your team ready to play Friday night. There are of course coaches who have success using dramatic or emotional means. Point is you don't have to be an actor of the method school to motivate. When I first started, a guy on our staff told me something pretty similar. It was something I didn't fully understand until later, but it really helped me to get that I didn't have to be someone I'm not. It takes a lot for me to yell. My guys know that. For me, when people are way too emotional, it's because 1 of 2 things happened. A kid gave minimal effort and doesn't really care, in which case throwing a tantrum won't really change him. Or, he probably wasn't properly coached to do something, which isn't really on him. With that being said, I know plenty of guys who are walking aneurysms, and perpetually have that bulging vein on their forehead. And they're some of the people who I respect the most, and who are a hell of a coach.
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Post by realdawg on Feb 21, 2017 11:02:42 GMT -6
If I am gonna have a hat toss its most likely to happen in practice when we are dragging around or screwing up the basics. Not on the sidelines.
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Post by fshamrock on Feb 21, 2017 14:18:19 GMT -6
Just to play devil's advocate a bit Saban typically stomps around the sideline like a petulant child screaming at everybody and everything, seems to work for him. Does he really do that "typically" or dis we just notice it when he was reaming Lane out? based on my completely lazy observations, he always looks to me like a man who hasn't shat properly in six months, and he seems to be fairly equitable in who gets screamed at. not to tear the guy down unfairly, believe it or not I don't know him personally, could be confirmation bias...I've always heard he was a colossal prick so when I see him on TV I probably interpret him that way by default
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Post by fshamrock on Feb 21, 2017 14:37:23 GMT -6
Does he really do that "typically" or dis we just notice it when he was reaming Lane out?
...and coaching Alabama little different deal than Smallville High.
...and being a navy seal on a covert operation is a little different than coaching at Alabama, point is the principle of the thing, if it holds true that calmness from leadership is an advantage is should hold true regardless of the situation...I would think the higher the stakes the more valuable it would be.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Feb 21, 2017 15:36:14 GMT -6
I'm very intense at practice. If I, all of a sudden become this totally mellow guy, then I'm not being me. Kids get confused when coaches aren't themselves.
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Post by seabass on Feb 21, 2017 16:03:08 GMT -6
I didn't take the article as saying you ALWAYS have to be calm to be an effective leader. Sometimes you have to be a little psycho but recognize time and place. To me, the message was to be calm when everyone around you is losing their mind's. That's pretty hard to argue with regardless of your "style".
I have been in 3 life/death situations with my oldest son (anaphylactic shock). The first time I went bat chit and my wife saved the day. Thank God she was cool and not her MO! I learned a lot from that experience. The next 2 times the roles reversed.
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Post by agame on Feb 21, 2017 16:06:08 GMT -6
That's a T shirt slogan if ever I saw one!
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Post by blb on Feb 21, 2017 16:20:34 GMT -6
I'm very intense at practice. If I, all of a sudden become this totally mellow guy, then I'm not being me. Kids get confused when coaches aren't themselves.
There is a difference between intensity and enthusiasm.
And, it is possible to chew azz with a smile on your face.
So long as you are coaching and not just yelling.
If you are a "yeller" and kids respond positively to that - your intensity and-or loudness produces an improved performance from them - keep on keepin' on.
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Post by fantom on Feb 21, 2017 16:33:27 GMT -6
...and coaching Alabama little different deal than Smallville High.
...and being a navy seal on a covert operation is a little different than coaching at Alabama, point is the principle of the thing, if it holds true that calmness from leadership is an advantage is should hold true regardless of the situation...I would think the higher the stakes the more valuable it would be. When I see Saban he may yell some but I don't see him lose his head.
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