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Post by badtotheflexbone on Jan 19, 2017 23:56:35 GMT -6
I sometimes (more like all the time) get into these philosophical thinking about life in general. I am curious why do you share your knowledge of football, life, (insert whatever here) on a forum or any place. I am 99.99% sure everything I know I have learned from someone else. The only reason I don't put 100% is because maybe, just maybe there is a 0.01% chance that I picked up something on my own lol. So, 3-part question: - Why do you share your knowledge of football?
- Do you not fear that the sharing of your knowledge whether it be scheme, technique, film, etc. will be used against you and potentially defeat you?
- When do you determine that you have enough knowledge to; Write a book, speak at a clinic, present on a webinar (like coach smith is currently doing)?
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Post by carookie on Jan 20, 2017 1:55:02 GMT -6
1) Because I care about trying to help people become better even if I don't get credit for it, in fact I think most good HS football coaches feel the same way. I care about the game, and hope I can help make it better.
2) Maybe, if I were directly sharing something that could be immediatey useful to an opponent who knew it was me (ie if I shared hand signals with someone who we played next week). Outside of that, no not really. I always tell my teaching colleagues that I will give them all my stuff to help them be the best teacher they can be....but then I'm gonna out teach them anyways. I feel the same way about coaching. Not to mention, I do things a lot differently than most, and most don't want to do things the way I do, so they usually don't take my ideas anyways.
3) I don't think its as much about knowledge (which is relative anyways) as it is about be organized, having the desire to do something like this, and an understanding of what actually is useful information. I know coaches who have a vast amount of knowledge and present all the time but most of it is useless to HS coaches.
Also, you gotta have some cred attached to your name. You could have the best book in the world to help others become a better coach, but if nobody knows who you are then most people won't care.
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Post by bobdoc78 on Jan 20, 2017 4:24:02 GMT -6
1- I get better answering questions. Thinking about a certain look or situation prepares me for the same look. 2-No 3-?
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Post by CS on Jan 20, 2017 4:46:47 GMT -6
1) To help if I can and also so someone will call me out if I'm doing something stupid. Sharing is just as much for me as it is for someone else.
2) If they coach their kids up and I coach my kids up it really just comes down to execution and who has the best dudes.
3) My take on this is take the leap. If you want to do it then do it and if people don't like it then piss on em
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Post by dsqa on Jan 20, 2017 7:29:47 GMT -6
1) I really enjoy externally processing what I am learning in a way that may help someone else be inspired to rethink how and why they do things...and, I never want anyone to have to feel like I did as a QB player who had little to no input to my mechanics that provided any measurable, helpful result.
2) I've had clients I trained as QBs that played against me. Gotta be honest, I drew the line at rivalry teams...not because I couldn't handle it, but if anyone found out I'd helped the opponent like that, including my players, it wouldn't have gone well...but because I began with a heart to serve all coaches and players neutrally, I had to accept that what I shared would be stolen, others would take credit, and it would be challenged, diminished, and devalued at times. Like anything in life, I guess I just had to decide if it was worth it to serve the few coaches that said it really helped them while putting up with the other stuff. Tough to keep the promise though...not easy to keep working on new stuff and fighting that fight inside...not gonna lie
3) I've written 4 books, and trying to do more. Honestly, writing a book is more about what you believe about the value of what you know for helping others. If you don't believe in it, you'll never write it down. To help that belief, what I've learned is that when enough people ask for the material you are teaching in a format they can study, when you feel you've got a grasp of something you do well that could help others not have to take the long way like you did to learn it, and when you believe it matters that what you've been given as a gift of knowledge you've improved on, or made your own, be remembered...you are ready.
One thing about writing a book...it's probably one of the most vulnerable steps you can take as a coach or a man. It will test your very core of discipline, conviction, and integrity. It will humble you like few things can. It's a true test of your heart...and I fail miserably and regularly. But, the key is to move the chains, and finish.
Also, don't see writing a book as the end or arrival at anything, it's a step in the learning process about yourself and how to serve others through better organizing what you believe as the coach above so astutely pointed out.
I've found writing books is about learning what others need, learning how to give it to them, and learning how to let go of what you hold so tightly to in your beliefs...(because they are likely going to change in the writing process) not to tell others how much we know.
I highly recommend the process to anyone...everyone has a story or something valuable to share...just not always the conviction to bring it out. That's the challenge that takes us back to the first comments I made in this answer...what do you believe?
As the coach said, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, they aren't there staring at the keyboard trying to write. Easy to criticize when they aren't willing to do it themselves.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 20, 2017 7:32:46 GMT -6
1- It's a simple classroom practice. You don't truly master a subject until you teach it to someone else. 2- I don't really care if you know "my" stuff, most of it (if not all) is done by many others. The difference you beating me with "my" stuff is better execution. 3- As mentioned take the leap. Success if define not by accomplishment, but by over coming failure.
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Post by newt21 on Jan 20, 2017 7:36:11 GMT -6
I come on here to learn as much as possible and to share what I've learned. No need to reinvent the wheel so to speak. If it weren't for websites like this and other coaches being willing to share, our game wouldn't be nearly as intriguing as it is and there would be LOTS of unsafe/unethical things going on IMO.
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Post by **** on Jan 20, 2017 8:13:38 GMT -6
1. To help people
2. No, athletes win championships
3. When you understand the chess battle of the game. If they do this, I do this. This beats that, we have to do this. If you don't at least understand the strength/weaknesses of your scheme then you can't do those things.
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Post by coachfloyd on Jan 20, 2017 8:26:43 GMT -6
I like criticism from people who know more than me.
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Post by bignose on Jan 20, 2017 8:33:19 GMT -6
I post football information because it is my way of paying it forward.
When I look back to what was available when I was a young coach, the sheer volume of information that is now easily accessible is astounding. Back in the day, we'd have to wait for the Coach of the Year Manual, publications, like Scholastic Journal, the AFCA Manual etc., to get fresh information, or be willing to travel to see college or other High School coaches to exchange information.
Nowadays, click the mouse, type in what you want, and Goggle comes up with a gazillion reference sources.
I don't worry about opponents using my information against me. They have to still have their kids outplay my kids.
I never think that I know enough, and I am in my 44 th year of coaching. I have written a book, spoken at a clinic, made all sorts or internet presentations, handed out play books. So much more to learn to keep fresh and up to date.
I'm still learning, as there is so much more to absorb with the advent of the information age.
The only difference is that I am willing to walk out of a clinic if I think that the speaker is full of bull, or his information isn't applicable to my situation.
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Post by JVD on Jan 20, 2017 8:44:28 GMT -6
1) I love talking about what I love (Anyone want to talk about bow hunting???) 2) No. I'm sure I learn way more than I ever teach. 3) Hum...that would be fun!
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 20, 2017 8:44:40 GMT -6
1) You don't ever find your mistakes or things you don't have ironed out until you try to explain it to someone and realize it. I learned more about chemistry my first 2 years teaching it than I ever did as a student. By trying to teach what you know to other people, it not only gives them ideas, but it also helps you learn it and critically analyze your own beliefs more than you would normally. 2) Football is football... If you have watched our film, you know that we run power A LOT... if you have my playbook, you get to see how we block power... everyone block down, FB kickout, BSG pull & wrap up to 2nd level. Nobody is reinventing anything. The spread zone-option is just the old-school veer offense from the shotgun. You have a DL unblocked for the dive-read, you have everyone else blocking away or climbing to 2nd level, and you are using the overhang for the pitch read (RPO, bubble, smoke, whatever you are using off of your zone for the 3rd option.) As you stated, everything you know was someone else's anyway, so who cares what they know... how they communicate it and how well they can get their kids to execute matter more. 3) That stuff if more a "if you want to try it out" kinda deal. Unless you are one of the top names in the game and people are knocking on your door to get you to do it, it is mostly if you want to take the time to put it together and teach it to a bunch of your peers instead of just kids... so it really goes back to #1. I have asked our state association president to speak if they have any open times at our annual coaches convention, and i have been able to speak the past 2 years. I never have a big crowd because I am going at the same time as a college OC or some other person much more famous than I am. It has given me an opportunity for some really in-depth conversations about what I do and I have learned just as much from that as they have from me I'm sure. rsmith627 has started on online webinar series where coaches from this site and they have been great so far. coachbdud just gave his 2 days ago and there are always guys willing to share and help other guys out.
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Post by fshamrock on Jan 20, 2017 8:46:21 GMT -6
1) because everything you learn you probably got from somebody else, you pay it forward. This job is a odd fraternity, I don't know personally a single person on this site, but I bet that you are all pretty much guys like me. For the most part, we aren't a bunch of blood sucking wall-street type psychos or corporate ass kissers. We are blue collar type guys who had a great experience playing football and want to give that experience to other people. We share because even though we've never met..we know each other.
2) because you learn that the X's and O's are a very small part of winning..the game ain't that complicated
3) if you know a little more than some other guy..do a webinar or some such and you are helping..you'd be surprised how much simple stuff guys don't know because they are scared to ask
Back to point 1 - this is why I get irrationally worked up about all the ebooks/dvds/"culture programs" and all that hogwash that is being sold now.
Before I did this I was an IT consultant to oil/gas companies. When people asked what we do we'd say "we provide cutting edge technology solutions in a fast moving business climate to keep your company at the cutting edge!"...amongst ourselves we said "you pay us to tell you what time it is, so we ask to borrow your watch, read you the time, then leave with your watch" Some company hired us to figure out some IT problem, so wed show up and hang out in some office at their building, take long lunches and bill then for as many hours as possible...then once we'd bled them enough we'd search google for an answer to their problem then put together a glossy PowerPoint presentation...it was really silly and I hated feeling like I was conning people for a living so I got out
Our gig should be above all that, I mean crap guys step into the lobby of any clinic and you'll see an entire room full of people looking to sell us crap, most of it of dubious value, it's a shame when we have to deal with it from other coaches
...sorry for the rant..it was therapy..and to be clear i'm not talking about a heavy technical books that took years of experience and knowledge to put together (gordons under front book for example) I'm talking about your couple of diagrams and a spreadsheet that you call the facemelter then package up and charge 9.99 for it......just stop please
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Post by cwaltsmith on Jan 20, 2017 8:55:33 GMT -6
1.) Bc I love talking football. I like to see how my idea stack up and compare to others. I like to know the why.
2.) No. There are no secrets. Everything has been done. Its all about tweeking it and getting it the fit your people and disguising it.
3.) I agree that this is more about organization of thoughts.
THIS BOARD IS THE BEST THING IN COACHING FOOTBALL!!!!!
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 20, 2017 9:59:00 GMT -6
other guys have touched on the points i will make below
I share a lot on here, on my site, and on twitter
1. i didnt invent any of it... our offense is a collection of crap i stole from other people and i just packaged it together. I love everything offense, so i was just a little selective and i tried piecing together all the different things i found and liked and thought had a chance to work off of each other. I could give you a works cited of which ideas i got from which coach/team
I share because it helps ME further understand what, why, and how we are doing what we do. Teaching is the highest level of learning... being able to explain it helps me further refine what i am doing. Also, creating presentations to share with coaches has given me the best install tools ive ever used. The power/counter presentation i shared in the webinar Wed night is what i will share with my guys in spring ball to teach them (both players and any new staff members).
2. There is slight concern... but im not losing sleep over it. I dont do a ton of my own game stuff on my site anymore, more college film of concepts than anything now. Even if they have my stuff though, it isnt a secret we run power/counter to death. There's nothing you would get off of the stuff i share that you wouldnt be able to get from watching 1-2 game tapes.
3. I dont think there is a set point where you know people will want to see what you have to share. I started when people started sending me messages on here and twitter asking questions about some stuff i do. Started as doing some things to help individuals and then i figured, i can mass share it and help more people. I look at it like a pay it forward type of deal. I learned from someone, I will continue to share it out there so others can learn. An old coach i used to work with once said to me "knowledge not shared is wasted" that always stuck with me
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Post by joelee on Jan 20, 2017 9:59:54 GMT -6
I sometimes (more like all the time) get into these philosophical thinking about life in general. I am curious why do you share your knowledge of football, life, (insert whatever here) on a forum or any place. I am 99.99% sure everything I know I have learned from someone else. The only reason I don't put 100% is because maybe, just maybe there is a 0.01% chance that I picked up something on my own lol. So, 3-part question: - Why do you share your knowledge of football?
- Do you not fear that the sharing of your knowledge whether it be scheme, technique, film, etc. will be used against you and potentially defeat you?
- When do you determine that you have enough knowledge to; Write a book, speak at a clinic, present on a webinar (like coach smith is currently doing)?
1. I like talking ball, anytime, anywhere. 2. No, half the time people don't believe stuff I say anyway and players win games. 3. I started speaking at clinics after 23 years, don't know if I was ready, but I was asked.
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Post by brophy on Jan 20, 2017 10:10:31 GMT -6
1. for self gratification
2. to find bullies. Anyone that disagrees with me is just an a-hole
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Post by veerman on Jan 20, 2017 13:00:55 GMT -6
1. Love talking football, and bouncing ideas off other great coaches that may be learning or also for me to learn. As a coach I'm always looking for ways to make it simpler for my kids. Sometimes its months that I find something that I really like that I really implement. But you can always learn something everyday if you search and discuss. 2. Never worry about sharing what I like to do. You have to be willing to share to get better. IMO if you think someone is going to use your ideas to beat you are the ones that think its more about THEM instead of the kids that ACTUALLY Win the game. 3. When you feel that you can breakdown something so simple that you can explain adjustments, and all aspects of what your talking about. But you should NEVER STOP TRYING TO LEARN!!!
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Post by coachmonkey on Jan 20, 2017 13:49:21 GMT -6
I sometimes (more like all the time) get into these philosophical thinking about life in general. I am curious why do you share your knowledge of football, life, (insert whatever here) on a forum or any place. I am 99.99% sure everything I know I have learned from someone else. The only reason I don't put 100% is because maybe, just maybe there is a 0.01% chance that I picked up something on my own lol. So, 3-part question: - Why do you share your knowledge of football?
- I share my knowledge of football because I am passionate about it. I could give you everything we do on defense, but at some point it comes down to something other than my playbook. We do a new wrinkle here and there. My players are different than your players. I do what I do because of the players I have. If I had different players I may do some things a little different.
- Do you not fear that the sharing of your knowledge whether it be scheme, technique, film, etc. will be used against you and potentially defeat you?
- No. They may, but I like to think we are creative enough to compensate for this. You may know what I do, but not necessarily the why. I also coach the psychology of my players and their football intelligence. There are variables other than x's and o's and film, and technique that are a difference maker.
- When do you determine that you have enough knowledge to; Write a book, speak at a clinic, present on a webinar (like coach smith is currently doing)?
- Just start putting your thoughts down and see what you have. I think most guys on here have enough to write a book, but what makes yours different or unique?
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Post by coachthomason on Jan 20, 2017 15:46:56 GMT -6
1. To pay it forward and because like a lot of other posters have said because I love talking football. I had only been coaching for 4 years before I became a varsity HC. So I depended on advice from other coaches. Without that support I don't know how I would have stayed above water my first year and even now!
2. In season I don't like to share our film during with others in the state unless I'm getting film from them. But we run the Wing-T and a 4-4 (4-2-5) defense. Nothing new in those schemes. If you want to know what Buck Sweep is it is too easy to find out without talking to us. In the off-season I'll share anything though.
3. When someone asked me to do a clinic talk I figured out that I know something that others would like to here. And then there is Coach Huey. When other coaches ask me(!) questions about how we do what we do. This actually made me a better coach because, like others have said, to teach something successfully you need to truly know it inside and out.
One of my favorite football quotes is:
"Aww, hell, that's the great thing about football coaches. They'll kick your a$$ on Saturday afternoon and then tell you how they did it." - Berry Switzer
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Post by aceback76 on Jan 20, 2017 16:23:25 GMT -6
I sometimes (more like all the time) get into these philosophical thinking about life in general. I am curious why do you share your knowledge of football, life, (insert whatever here) on a forum or any place. I am 99.99% sure everything I know I have learned from someone else. The only reason I don't put 100% is because maybe, just maybe there is a 0.01% chance that I picked up something on my own lol. So, 3-part question: - Why do you share your knowledge of football?
- Do you not fear that the sharing of your knowledge whether it be scheme, technique, film, etc. will be used against you and potentially defeat you?
- When do you determine that you have enough knowledge to; Write a book, speak at a clinic, present on a webinar (like coach smith is currently doing)?
Strictly to give back to the game. So many great coaches helped me along the way, I could never mention them all. I owe it to them to do so!
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Post by bluboy on Jan 20, 2017 19:43:56 GMT -6
"Strictly to give back to the game. So many great coaches helped me along the way, I could never mention them all. I owe it to them to do so!" Me, too!!! I am a football junkie; I enjoy talking football, reading football, and watching football. When I was a pup, many coaches spent time "mentoring" me about life, as well as football. The least I can do is help someone else, especially a young guy. This game is a whole lot bigger than what I know.
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Post by dblwngr on Jan 23, 2017 11:58:19 GMT -6
#1 Love to talk ball. Waaaaay to many people have helped me out to not try and pay it forward a bit. Always hoping someone chimes in with their own experiences of the topic, good to hear ideas that may be seen from a different angle.
#2 Never. It comes down to the kids
#3 When someone asks you to present, that's probably a good sign you know enough about something.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 23, 2017 12:08:35 GMT -6
So, 3-part question: - Why do you share your knowledge of football?
- Do you not fear that the sharing of your knowledge whether it be scheme, technique, film, etc. will be used against you and potentially defeat you?
- When do you determine that you have enough knowledge to; Write a book, speak at a clinic, present on a webinar (like coach smith is currently doing)?
1. I love talking shop: there have been some great discussions on this board that I have learned a lot from. I share what I learn because that's how I learned to coach. Yeah, I , go to clinics, watch videos and read books but the majority of my football knowledge comes from experienced guys sharing what they know. 2. Nothing that is shared on here is revolutionary. It all comes from some where outside of the board. Plus, someone might use our zone blitz scheme verbatim against us but we know it in and out and how to beat it. 3. I have no desire to do anything with what I know/will learn. Other than share it over the boards and with other coaches. Maybe I'll get a chance to speak at a clinic some day, that'd be fun.
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Post by somecoach on Jan 23, 2017 23:10:47 GMT -6
(1) Honestly it is more of a self check. Besides possibly helping someone else, I like to see if anyone has a different view or possibly can find a flaw in my theory that I didn't see.
(2) Not anymore.
I keep most of my answers on this website and twitter very general. Also, I am yet to meet any coaches on here that are a. in my league or b. even in my area (NYC) Finally, if any of my opponents are "lurkers" on here, there isn't anything on here that they shouldn't already know from watching hours of film on Hudl, in which I already have on them. In the words of the great Joe Pesci in the movie Casino "They gonna watch ME!? #$%@ 'EM, I am gonna watch them right back!"
(3) Always considering it. When it comes to selling a product, for marketing purposes I think you need to have some form of success. As shallow as it may sound, in order to sell to the general public of coaches its a lot easier sell to say"hey we won 2 championships and have 6 winning season in a row with MY SYSTEM". Not saying its impossible, just saying it is an easier sell, although most of us probably shop based on topics rather than the success of the coach.
When it comes to free things it really shouldn't matter (as you are making ad sale revenue or simply not making any sale revenue at all)
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Post by s73 on Jan 24, 2017 7:06:58 GMT -6
I sometimes (more like all the time) get into these philosophical thinking about life in general. I am curious why do you share your knowledge of football, life, (insert whatever here) on a forum or any place. I am 99.99% sure everything I know I have learned from someone else. The only reason I don't put 100% is because maybe, just maybe there is a 0.01% chance that I picked up something on my own lol. So, 3-part question: - Why do you share your knowledge of football?
- Do you not fear that the sharing of your knowledge whether it be scheme, technique, film, etc. will be used against you and potentially defeat you?
- When do you determine that you have enough knowledge to; Write a book, speak at a clinic, present on a webinar (like coach smith is currently doing)?
1 - It definitely helps me to "keep the rust off" during off season and it gets me thinking critically, which often times can lead to improving my teaching & thought process. In that sense it's self serving I guess. I also believe in helping others as many have helped me. Lastly, if I'm truly being honest, like all FB coaches IMO, ego plays a role. I think MOST FB coaches don't mind "showing off" a bit if they think they are knowledgable on a certain topic. That's just being honest. 2- I only fear giving away stuff if I know someone I play is intently watching or reading my posts. Hence, that's why I think most on here work to be anonymous. That's why I try to remain as anonymous as possible anyway. Again, just being completely honest. 3- Was asked to speak at a clinic this off season, and my ego loved it but my lack of experience/confidence in that arena also scared the crap out of me. However, it was an easy decision since I will be at the airport during that time slot. But, I would like to challenge myself to speak to my peers at sometime in my career.
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Post by bdm on Jan 24, 2017 8:22:09 GMT -6
1. I love talking ball, and I am sure I ask way more questions on here than I actually answer. And my wife can only handle so much football talk so this is the best place around to get opinions from around the country.
2. No, contrary to popular belief nothing is really new any ways it might look a little different but everything in football boils down being able to do the key things really well.
3. Write a book no, speak a clinic maybe in another few years or so.
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Post by ALBallCoach on Jan 24, 2017 10:17:34 GMT -6
I am new to coachhuey. I have been on the Georgia Vent for a long time, and am just now switching over. I love to share because I can create conversations and be able to hear what kind of issues other coaches face on a daily bases. That being the same or different as mine. Definitely opens up topics and gives you a different view on things as a coach. Look picking other coaches brains.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 24, 2017 11:49:00 GMT -6
Here's a tale of two coaches. Both of these guys were speaking at am 8-man clinic and just dishing out generic Xs and Os: one was talking about offense, the other was showing off his offense. The guy who spoke about his 3-4 defense was in our conference and gave me all kinds of useful information when I asked for it: drills, keys, etc..etc.. The other guy wasn't in our conference and wouldn't share chit with me about their scheme. So, I got some film of this dude's team the next week and dissected it. We started running our version of his scheme the next year and finished up 5th in the state in rushing. We also drastically improved our defense from the information given to us by the coach IN our conference.
Moral of the story: we can get the information if we want it. There's no need to be a tool about it.
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Post by Coach Vint on Jan 24, 2017 13:34:11 GMT -6
A lot of people invested in me when I started out in this business 20 years ago, and one of my coaching mentors reminded me to always pay it forward. He said, when you impact a coach you impact every kid that coach will work with for the rest of his career. You have an opportunity to positively influence people each and every day. I have stolen every single thing we do, and merged it into a system that works for us. I don't have very many answers and I can tell you a lot more how not to do something than how to do it right. We have the greatest game in the land, and that game provides the strongest foundation I know to teach our young people how to win at life. There is not much better than pizza, beverages, ball, and a white board.
There are no real new concepts in this game. Power, Iso, Counter, Toss, Trap, and Buck Sweep have been around far longer than most of us. Every coach we play is very, very good, and they can figure out what we are doing. We are not concerned that someone can watch us speak at a clinic and then know exactly what we are doing and when. There really are no mysteries. The most important aspect of winning has nothing to do with your scheme, and happens long before you play a game. Right now we are fighting to win in the fall.
The first clinic I went to as a coach was the Megaclinic in Atlantic City. I did not think I would ever speak at a clinic, but in 2001 I got asked to talk about incorporating the pro style offense with option concepts. I was very young, but it gave me a chance to put out some information for others, while learning some of the questions that exist. It never fails that someone will ask a question during or after a presentation that will trigger a better way to do something. The best part about speaking at a clinic is that I get to attend for free and see other speakers. I also get to interact with coaches and pick up new things that can help our program and impact our kids. If I speak at a clinic and one coach walks out and says, "man, that will help me be a better coach and mentor to kids," then it is worth it. If I go to a session and can take one or two things from it to help our program, then it was a good session.
This board is tremendous. When I started coaching the internet had just come online and there was very little information out there. The Coach Huey board has been a staple the last 10 plus years, and provides a ton of great discussion. I have learned a lot of football on this board. There are some outstanding coaches who post on this board every single day.
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