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Post by CatsCoach on Sept 3, 2016 16:38:19 GMT -6
This season the HC that I am coach with a 2nd year coach a has a lot to learn. I have been trying to figure out how to help him best with out him thinking I am trying to take control or step on his toes? I have made suggestions and given ideas just feel like it falling on deaf ears. We have a very inexperience team out of 15 kids 13 are 1st or 2nd year players. The main issue at the moment he is trying to run read option(triple option). Any advice would be great!!!
Thanks,
Coach Smith
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 3, 2016 17:10:32 GMT -6
Does he conduct practice in such a way as to let you have charge of a group or station at times? I've found that if you get to do so, success in coaching players up can lead to respect from the boss.
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Post by CatsCoach on Sept 3, 2016 17:32:43 GMT -6
Bob,
We don't have station! He works with the backs most of practice and I work with the O-line.I am use station and a more structured practice.
Real quick this is year 12 coaching for me and been a HC, OC and DC.
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 3, 2016 17:50:11 GMT -6
Bob, We don't have station! He works with the backs most of practice and I work with the O-line.I am use station and a more structured practice. Real quick this is year 12 coaching for me and been a HC, OC and DC. But you have the Oline so yes you have you're own group. |
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Post by CatsCoach on Sept 4, 2016 12:07:14 GMT -6
Bob, We don't have station! He works with the backs most of practice and I work with the O-line.I am use station and a more structured practice. Real quick this is year 12 coaching for me and been a HC, OC and DC. But you have the Oline so yes you have you're own group. [brl] I do have my own group and I will make them the best o-line I can. But we don't have station. I want to help the young coach with out him feeling like I am taking over. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 4, 2016 15:39:47 GMT -6
But you have the Oline so yes you have you're own group. [brl] I do have my own group and I will make them the best o-line I can. But we don't have station. I want to help the young coach with out him feeling like I am taking over. That's why I wrote "group or station". Does the coach notice the job you're doing with any of the players of your group?
Are there still other coaches in charge of defense? Since you have only 15 players, what do you do when they work on defense?
Meanwhile, why don't you lay out here some of your suggestions and ideas?
When you write, "The main issue at the moment he is trying to run read option(triple option)," do you mean you're trying to dissuade him from doing so? It's also not clear what you mean by "read option (triple option)". Although the term "read option" is redundant, the meaning I've seen for it is different from triple option.
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Post by CatsCoach on Sept 4, 2016 18:21:51 GMT -6
[brl] I do have my own group and I will make them the best o-line I can. But we don't have station. I want to help the young coach with out him feeling like I am taking over. That's why I wrote "group or station". Does the coach notice the job you're doing with any of the players of your group?
Are there still other coaches in charge of defense? Since you have only 15 players, what do you do when they work on defense?
Meanwhile, why don't you lay out here some of your suggestions and ideas?
When you write, "The main issue at the moment he is trying to run read option(triple option)," do you mean you're trying to dissuade him from doing so? It's also not clear what you mean by "read option (triple option)". Although the term "read option" is redundant, the meaning I've seen for it is different from triple option.
Yes Bob, he does notice what I am doing with my group. There are 3 of is coaches total. We haven't work much defense yet, he just told me that he wants me run the defense. Yes, the term read option is redundant...I was using his term. It's give, keep or pass option. I'm not necessarily trying to stop him from running it. My suggestion was to take the decision away from the kid, with him making the give,keep or pass decision. A few of my suggestion/ideas are: •Have a practice plan •work on other plays other tham the option •work on footwork •ball security Thanks Bob, hope all this makes sense! |
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 4, 2016 22:36:08 GMT -6
That's why I wrote "group or station". Does the coach notice the job you're doing with any of the players of your group?
Are there still other coaches in charge of defense? Since you have only 15 players, what do you do when they work on defense?
Meanwhile, why don't you lay out here some of your suggestions and ideas?
When you write, "The main issue at the moment he is trying to run read option(triple option)," do you mean you're trying to dissuade him from doing so? It's also not clear what you mean by "read option (triple option)". Although the term "read option" is redundant, the meaning I've seen for it is different from triple option.
Yes Bob, he does notice what I am doing with my group. There are 3 of is coaches total. We haven't work much defense yet, he just told me that he wants me run the defense. So he wants you to run the defense, he has you in charge of the OL, and you don't think he takes your hints on anything else? Seems to me like he trusts your judgment a lot. Then your suggestion is to not run option. You want to turn it into separate plays & fakes that may resemble triple option but is actually a series. For himself, or for all of you? Are you suffering from the lack of a plan? For instance, are you finding the team's time not budgeted appropriately? Do you suffer from not knowing what's coming next that day, or in the next session, so you can't integrate your instruction efficiently? If he's installing triple option, that should consume the great majority of the team's practice time. Presumably he'd eventually install a small number of additional plays, but they won't take as much time.
Lots of coaches do, but lots of successful coaches don't. A lot can be accomplished just by saying, "You go here, you go there," leaving it up to the kids how to do it. Are you seeing execution that would be improved by his specifying the footwork? It also matters a lot whether he's using a point or a ride method for the hand-or-keep phase; the ride would be more sensitive to footwork.
Also, is it possible he has worked on footwork, but you didn't notice, possibly because the kids picked it up quickly? If the dive handoff is midline, or if it's inside veer, if the mesh seems to be appropriate to the respective POA, then they already have their footwork down as necessary. After all, if you're working with the OL while he's with the backs & some cones, he must be doing plenty while you're not watching him, because your own plate is full.
Can you give any examples of how ball security seems to be suffering? |
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Post by jrk5150 on Sept 6, 2016 8:32:23 GMT -6
How old?
I would back off and run my groups to make them the best they can be.
And wait until you get your ass*s kicked trying to run option, at which point MAYBE you'll have an opportunity to suggest you pre-call the play vs. allow the QB to read it.
Just to be a little pessimistic, my prediction is that you won't be given the time you will need/want to practice the D. Then come games the O will suck and the team will get hammered, and he will blame the blocking and the defense that you run.
That just seems to be how youth coaching works. The title HC seems to impart some delusions of knowledge to many.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 11, 2016 19:33:05 GMT -6
That just seems to be how youth bad coaching works. The title HC seems to impart some delusions of knowledge to many. Fixed it for you |
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Post by jrk5150 on Sept 12, 2016 10:43:58 GMT -6
An appropriate fix.
But unfortunately, I'd say more youth coaches fit this bill than not. And that's coming from a youth coach...
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Post by CatsCoach on Sept 15, 2016 11:28:00 GMT -6
An appropriate fix. But unfortunately, I'd say more youth coaches fit this bill than not. And that's coming from a youth coach... Yes, I would have to agree with you on that! And I am a youth coach too....well sure you guys knew that already  |
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Post by CatsCoach on Sept 15, 2016 12:06:37 GMT -6
How old? I would back off and run my groups to make them the best they can be. And wait until you get your ass*s kicked trying to run option, at which point MAYBE you'll have an opportunity to suggest you pre-call the play vs. allow the QB to read it. Just to be a little pessimistic, my prediction is that you won't be given the time you will need/want to practice the D. Then come games the O will suck and the team will get hammered, and he will blame the blocking and the defense that you run. That just seems to be how youth coaching works. The title HC seems to impart some delusions of knowledge to many. How old? The kids are 10-11 the majority are first or 2nd year players, all but 2 out 15. I have backed off over all and work my o-line to get them to be the best they can be, but still make some suggestion here and there! And you where right we haven't practiced much defense at all. We had our first practice focused on defense on Monday, with our first real game on Saturday |
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Post by CatsCoach on Sept 15, 2016 13:00:11 GMT -6
Bob,
To answer your questions...
"Then your suggestion is to not run option. You want to turn it into separate plays & fakes that may resemble triple option but is actually a series."
Yes, my suggestion is to turn it to a series resembling the triple option.
The practice plan is more for him than me. I find that our time is not used wisely and yes I do suffer from not know what coming so I can't plan. I so use to using a practice plan, first time in there hasn't been one in use. I feel that it help a lot.
He did finally install a few more plays! And worked on some others as well.
From a footwork standpoint there was some needed improvement, which I was able to correct and it has helped the mesh and some other aspect of some of the other plays.
Ball security, with all of skill players being 1st or 2nd year players we have had fumbling issue.
It's been a work in progress this season so far. Bob I appreciate your insight!
Thanks,
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 15, 2016 20:12:05 GMT -6
The practice plan is more for him than me. I find that our time is not used wisely and yes I do suffer from not know what coming so I can't plan. I so use to using a practice plan, first time in there hasn't been one in use. I feel that it help a lot. Then it is for you. I've been in such situations, and it's unsettling. Great. The problem you saw was real, then, and your contribution helped. |
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Post by 33coach on Sept 16, 2016 9:45:00 GMT -6
This season the HC that I am coach with a 2nd year coach a has a lot to learn. I have been trying to figure out how to help him best with out him thinking I am trying to take control or step on his toes? I have made suggestions and given ideas just feel like it falling on deaf ears. We have a very inexperience team out of 15 kids 13 are 1st or 2nd year players. The main issue at the moment he is trying to run read option(triple option). Any advice would be great!!! Thanks, Coach Smith well, this is where it gets into a tricky situation - its his ship, your just riding on it. so you just have to do the best you can with your position group. make those OL the best zone / veer blocking group they could ever be. |
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Post by aceback76 on Oct 5, 2016 14:54:41 GMT -6
This season the HC that I am coach with a 2nd year coach a has a lot to learn. I have been trying to figure out how to help him best with out him thinking I am trying to take control or step on his toes? I have made suggestions and given ideas just feel like it falling on deaf ears. We have a very inexperience team out of 15 kids 13 are 1st or 2nd year players. The main issue at the moment he is trying to run read option(triple option). Any advice would be great!!! Thanks, Coach Smith He will LEARN that experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, and the lesson afterwards. PS: WAIT until he is ready to LISTEN to you! |
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Post by CatsCoach on Nov 11, 2016 12:55:28 GMT -6
Well just a little update now that the season is over! Well record wasn't what we wanted it to be...we went 1-6 but the scores don't tell the whole story of how each game went. He started asking more questions and valued my opinion. We made some changes to the offense and defense that helped. He also embraced using a practice plan it kept him on task. In the end he leaned a lot this season.
Thanks
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 14, 2016 11:23:27 GMT -6
This season the HC that I am coach with a 2nd year coach a has a lot to learn. I have been trying to figure out how to help him best with out him thinking I am trying to take control or step on his toes? I have made suggestions and given ideas just feel like it falling on deaf ears. We have a very inexperience team out of 15 kids 13 are 1st or 2nd year players. The main issue at the moment he is trying to run read option(triple option). Any advice would be great!!! Thanks, Coach Smith Let him ASK you for help (don't inundate him with advice = "bite your tongue"). Make him THINK any advice you give him was HIS IDEA in the first place (& give HIM the CREDIT if it works). Experience will be his BEST teacher because it will give him the test FIRST, and the lesson AFTERWARDS. |
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