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Post by airraider on Aug 26, 2016 22:09:17 GMT -6
Is there a reason why we all do it? Or is it just the way it's always been done?
For a 7pm kick off, some teams have kickers and punters out at 5:45 or before..
Then everyone out at 5:00 to warm up, get sweaty, go through different drills and motions... Then go in and sit down for 20 minutes.. Then come out and stand around for 10 minutes.
Is there a better way?
I don't know... Just looking for a dialogue.
Back in 2003 we had a team get off the bus at 6:35 for a 7:00 kick off. Did an active warm up session and stretch line and headed to the sideline and proceeded to beat us by 30.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 26, 2016 22:59:28 GMT -6
We do a 40 minute warm-up...10 minute sessions
10 minute dynamic warm-up / specialists 10 minutes defensive Indies 10 minutes offensive indies 10 minutes team offense (team takeoff)
Take the sideline for coin flip,
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Post by jg78 on Aug 27, 2016 2:56:11 GMT -6
I despise long warm ups, especially early in the year when the weather is hot.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Aug 27, 2016 9:16:56 GMT -6
I hated it as a player, We used to call it having practice before the game.
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Post by blb on Aug 27, 2016 9:26:26 GMT -6
Depends on what you do.
If you do a lot of Calisthenics, running, and-or hitting - not good.
If you are getting "skill" and Specialty guys some warm-up, loosening pads up with a few pops, breaking a little sweat-getting the blood flowing - fine.
We also took water break between Individual and Team.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 27, 2016 10:47:05 GMT -6
Depends on what you do.
If you do a lot of Calisthenics, running, and-or hitting - not good.
If you are getting "skill" and Specialty guys some warm-up, loosening pads up with a few pops, breaking a little sweat-getting the blood flowing - fine.
We also took water break between Individual and Team. That's why we do what we do. Get the kids in the mindset. It's Also a chance for position coaches to check the basics...stance, alignment, step. One last time.
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Post by carookie on Aug 27, 2016 11:00:57 GMT -6
We do it because if you don't do it and lose then you are being lazy; same reason teams practice 20+ hours a week in the summer and have hours of meetings. I'm at a place that starts sending players out over an hour before kickoff, its silly but not my call.
But always remember: if you don't do ALL the extra things that other teams are doing and you lose, then in the minds of many you lost because you refused to do the extra work (true or not). So we keep up with the joneses for that sake.
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Post by kcbazooka on Aug 27, 2016 11:19:55 GMT -6
As a head coach our pregame got shorter. Last year we'd arrive at 6:15 - get dressed and on the field at 6:30. Short o and d Indy and then short team o. Line up for the national anthem and ready to go
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Post by blb on Aug 27, 2016 13:34:01 GMT -6
If you do a "Walk thru" after school as some have posted on here maybe you don't need much of a Pre-Game Warm-up.
Also numbers make a difference.
Last league I coached in one of the most dominant programs would have their Varsity walk on to the field two abreast holding hands about half hour before kick off.
They would do some Specialty stuff (Punting, Kicking) and Passing while linemen did their thing in End Zone.
Then a little Dynamic Warmup.
Then some Team Offense against "Air."
Then line up for Anthem, and go play.
BUT - they had done some "Walk thru" after school and watched film before coming out, too.
Plus they had one of if not best programs from youth league on up for decades (tradition) and first or second biggest school enrollment-wise.
Bottom line - Warm 'em up, not wear 'em out.
I don't think I ever lost a game because of how we did Pre-Game.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Aug 27, 2016 14:08:35 GMT -6
33coach 40 minutes sounds perfect. When I was HC we did 45 minutes with all team, specialists/QBs 5 min earlier. 5 dynamic stretch 10 O indy 10 D indy water 5 Punt, Tight Punt, PAT, FG 10 Team O (1's and 2's w/ a mixing of personnel groups) 5 Team D (formation rec and option responsibilities for option teams)
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Post by poundtherock1 on Aug 27, 2016 14:19:34 GMT -6
For a 7:30 kick, we are on the field at 6:35 and off at 7:15. Whole team is on the field from 6:45-7:15
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Post by blb on Aug 27, 2016 14:57:13 GMT -6
For a 7:30 kick, we are on the field at 6:35 and off at 7:15. Whole team is on the field from 6:45-7:15
When we had 50 kids on our team (Division II school), Pre-Game took a little longer than when we had 25 (Division VI school).
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Post by funkfriss on Aug 27, 2016 15:11:57 GMT -6
Great topic! My DC and I have been asking the same question. Last night we stretched off the field all together (QBs and receivers warmed up before). STs guys went onto the field 30 minutes before the game, off after 10 minutes. Offense went through 15 play script on air off the field. Everybody on the field 5 minutes before the game for anthem.
Do we really need to go through Indys pre game? Our opinion was no. We wanted to keep our guys relaxed and fresher for game time.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 27, 2016 16:28:21 GMT -6
We all walk down to the field at 610.
613 warmup 615 specialty 622 pass group 627 d group 630 team d 635 team o 640 go back 650 talk 653 head to field 655 coin flip
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Post by keysersoze on Aug 27, 2016 19:59:37 GMT -6
We all walk down to the field at 610. 613 warmup 615 specialty 622 pass group 627 d group 630 team d 635 team o 640 go back 650 talk 653 head to field 655 coin flip Almost identical to what we do.
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Post by carookie on Aug 27, 2016 21:18:33 GMT -6
Heres ours, enjoy:
5:40 Specialists (kickers, QBs, etc.) 5:45 Skill players for easy ups 5:50 Linemen head to the field 5:55 Stretch (usually a mix of dynamic warmup, static stretch, and the all important jumping jacks to our school initials) 6:10 Offense Indy 6:15 7on7 Offense 6:20 Team Offense 6:25 Defense Indy 6:30 7on7 Defense 6:35 Team Defense 6:40 Field Goal (usually about 8 kicks from various spots 6:45 Off the Field 6:57 Coin Toss 7:00 Kickoff
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Post by norcaldiaz on Aug 28, 2016 8:24:34 GMT -6
In defense of specialists going out early: it's tough to have space for coaches to do Indy drills of whatever sort when there are balls being kicked and punted all over the place. Tough when you only have 45 yds of field to use.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Aug 28, 2016 8:54:43 GMT -6
Great topic! My DC and I have been asking the same question. Last night we stretched off the field all together (QBs and receivers warmed up before). STs guys went onto the field 30 minutes before the game, off after 10 minutes. Offense went through 15 play script on air off the field. Everybody on the field 5 minutes before the game for anthem. Do we really need to go through Indys pre game? Our opinion was no. We wanted to keep our guys relaxed and fresher for game time. Our O indy is pat&go for QB/WR, RB's take handoffs, and OL just does some blocking circuit to warm up/get jitters out. Def indy DL works a little hand fight, LB work tackling circuit and drops, DB drops and tackling circ.
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 28, 2016 9:27:12 GMT -6
3:30 PACK BAGS/STAY IN LOCKER ROOM
3:45 BOARD BUSES FOR WOFFORD
4:00 ARRIVE AT WOFFORD
4:15 SPECIAL TEAMS/CIRCLE MEETING
5:15 OFFENSE MEETING 5:45 DEFENSE MEETING
6:30 QB’S, SNAPPERS & KICKERS
6:35 RETURNERS & SPECIALTY
6:40 DB’S & RECEIVERS
6:45 TEAM ENTRANCE
6:46 VIKING MOB
6:48 SQUARE AND FLEX
6:54 INDY
7:00 TEAM
7:07 PUNT
7:08 PAT
7:09 OFF
7:20 WALK TO THE ENTRANCE
7:30 LOCK AND LOAD KICKOFF
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Post by airraider on Aug 28, 2016 20:02:14 GMT -6
Heres ours, enjoy: 5:40 Specialists (kickers, QBs, etc.) 5:45 Skill players for easy ups 5:50 Linemen head to the field 5:55 Stretch (usually a mix of dynamic warmup, static stretch, and the all important jumping jacks to our school initials) 6:10 Offense Indy 6:15 7on7 Offense 6:20 Team Offense 6:25 Defense Indy 6:30 7on7 Defense 6:35 Team Defense 6:40 Field Goal (usually about 8 kicks from various spots 6:45 Off the Field 6:57 Coin Toss 7:00 Kickoff Do you feel that what they do at 5:40 carries over well to 7?
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Post by carookie on Aug 28, 2016 20:50:35 GMT -6
Heres ours, enjoy: 5:40 Specialists (kickers, QBs, etc.) 5:45 Skill players for easy ups 5:50 Linemen head to the field 5:55 Stretch (usually a mix of dynamic warmup, static stretch, and the all important jumping jacks to our school initials) 6:10 Offense Indy 6:15 7on7 Offense 6:20 Team Offense 6:25 Defense Indy 6:30 7on7 Defense 6:35 Team Defense 6:40 Field Goal (usually about 8 kicks from various spots 6:45 Off the Field 6:57 Coin Toss 7:00 Kickoff Do you feel that what they do at 5:40 carries over well to 7? Are you asking whether or not too much time passes from 5:40 to 7 for those specific skills practiced to carry over? I think the skills do carry over, but its mainly because they are also being practiced throughout the 6 o'clock hour (qbs still throwing, centers still snapping, kickers still kicking). That being written, there are a lot of things taking place between 5:40 and 7:00 that are either redundant or not really useful which could be trimmed away and require less prep time pregame.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 28, 2016 20:58:09 GMT -6
I really think you could go out at 6:40 and
6:40 walk down to field 6:42 warmup 6:44 specialty 6:49 pass group 6:52 everyone form tackle once 6:53 team d lineup 6:54 team o run a play 6:55 coin flip
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Post by fantom on Aug 28, 2016 21:02:06 GMT -6
Is there a reason why we all do it? Or is it just the way it's always been done? For a 7pm kick off, some teams have kickers and punters out at 5:45 or before.. Then everyone out at 5:00 to warm up, get sweaty, go through different drills and motions... Then go in and sit down for 20 minutes.. Then come out and stand around for 10 minutes. Is there a better way? I don't know... Just looking for a dialogue. Back in 2003 we had a team get off the bus at 6:35 for a 7:00 kick off. Did an active warm up session and stretch line and headed to the sideline and proceeded to beat us by 30. I hate warmups. Always have. It probably goes back to college where we basically had a full practice before the game. Wore my a$$ out. That's what I liked about rugby: The scrummers' warmup consisted of putting our beer down, flexing our neck, then grinding. I know that it's useful for the skill guys and that some are OCD about it but I'd rather not be involved.
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Post by coachdennis on Aug 29, 2016 10:41:19 GMT -6
This is season #25 for me. The longer I coach, the shorter our pre-game warmups tend to get. There is zero correlation between warmup and game performance - none. Coaches like it because it is something they can control, and people in this business tend to like control. ;-)
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Post by blb on Aug 29, 2016 10:59:21 GMT -6
So - what are the alternatives?
Sit around in the locker room getting more anxious-nervous?
Letting kids run loose for an extra half hour before reporting?
Or try to come up with something more to keep them occupied longer?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 29, 2016 11:58:24 GMT -6
So - what are the alternatives? Sit around in the locker room getting more anxious-nervous? Letting kids run loose for an extra half hour before reporting? Or try to come up with something more to keep them occupied longer? Actually this is really the best question. If we are at home, then we can just let them play playstation in the field house longer or sleep longer or chill longer. That is what they do between the pre-game meal and getting ready. If we are away, then we can do the same and just wait to leave on the bus later.
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Post by dytmook on Aug 29, 2016 12:16:52 GMT -6
So - what are the alternatives? Sit around in the locker room getting more anxious-nervous? Letting kids run loose for an extra half hour before reporting? Or try to come up with something more to keep them occupied longer? Actually this is really the best question. If we are at home, then we can just let them play playstation in the field house longer or sleep longer or chill longer. That is what they do between the pre-game meal and getting ready. If we are away, then we can do the same and just wait to leave on the bus later. How long are your bus rides? We have at least 2 a year over an hour which isn't hateful, but they are always in rush hour from one metro area to another that tends to be riddled with construction. Those are the most difficult to plan for. You want to plan for extra time for the unexpected but not too much time to just be sitting around.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 29, 2016 16:07:29 GMT -6
Actually this is really the best question. If we are at home, then we can just let them play playstation in the field house longer or sleep longer or chill longer. That is what they do between the pre-game meal and getting ready. If we are away, then we can do the same and just wait to leave on the bus later. How long are your bus rides? We have at least 2 a year over an hour which isn't hateful, but they are always in rush hour from one metro area to another that tends to be riddled with construction. Those are the most difficult to plan for. You want to plan for extra time for the unexpected but not too much time to just be sitting around. This year they are 1.5 hours 45 minutes minutes 3 hours 3.5 hours We just plan on getting there at 5:15. If we get there by 5:30, I am fine. We meet at 6:10.
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Post by carookie on Aug 29, 2016 16:19:30 GMT -6
So - what are the alternatives? Sit around in the locker room getting more anxious-nervous? Letting kids run loose for an extra half hour before reporting? Or try to come up with something more to keep them occupied longer? "Run loose" sounds negative but in the end how much time do we need to control of theirs to feel like we've done our job? I know of programs that require kids to report immediately to the team room after school (2:30) for 7:00 games. I don't think we need to all follow their lead, but I promise you the reactionary response from most coaching staffs if a kid got into trouble between 2:30 and 4:30 on a gameday would be lock them down.
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Post by pain on Sept 2, 2016 8:07:59 GMT -6
We have about a 25 minute warm-up. Dynamic Warm Up Indy Period Passing period Offensive Plays Coin Toss Head In Talk Back out on the field
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