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Post by option1 on Jul 10, 2016 10:51:55 GMT -6
As a HC or Coordinator, how much autonomy do you give position coaches and or coordinators? Do you instruct them on how to drill? Time management?
As a coordinator I have been through several phases with this. Obviously if you have young coaches they will need more guidance, however, there is a certain amount I believe one should expect from coaches that have been around awhile. I have been an OC or DC for most of my career and without "ultimate authority" of a HC, I haven't quite figured out a happy medium on this aspect.
What I expect - Have your practice area ready to go (even if you have players do it) - Know how your position works within the scheme - Coach within the scheme (Don't spend 95% of your time running routes when 95% of your positions time will be spent stalk blocking) (Don't teach the DE to slow play QB vs. load when he is a spill/dive player) - Coach your position (DL coach should not be talking to the secondary) - Talk less, drill more - Organization (If you have 25 guys, do not rep them one at a time) - Time management (If we have something to install make sure your group understands what and how to do it when we come together) - Coach fundamentals (Don't get bored and start installing random stuff because you did "everything already". And definitely do not stand around in the shade)
Several of these overlap, but I do not think it's too much to expect. Meanwhile, I'm often confronted as a micro manager and know it all.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 10, 2016 11:16:17 GMT -6
As a HC or Coordinator, how much autonomy do you give position coaches and or coordinators? Do you instruct them on how to drill? Time management? As a coordinator I have been through several phases with this. Obviously if you have young coaches they will need more guidance, however, there is a certain amount I believe one should expect from coaches that have been around awhile. I have been an OC or DC for most of my career and without "ultimate authority" of a HC, I haven't quite figured out a happy medium on this aspect. What I expect - Have your practice area ready to go (even if you have players do it) - Know how your position works within the scheme - Coach within the scheme (Don't spend 95% of your time running routes when 95% of your positions time will be spent stalk blocking) (Don't teach the DE to slow play QB vs. load when he is a spill/dive player) - Coach your position (DL coach should not be talking to the secondary) - Talk less, drill more - Organization (If you have 25 guys, do not rep them one at a time) - Time management (If we have something to install make sure your group understands what and how to do it when we come together) - Coach fundamentals (Don't get bored and start installing random stuff because you did "everything already". And definitely do not stand around in the shade) Several of these overlap, but I do not think it's too much to expect. Meanwhile, I'm often confronted as a micro manager and know it all. Great list. Excellent point of view. Those that would call you a "micro manager" are not quality assistant coaches in my opinion. If an assistant coach thinks his way is better, has properly tried to convince you of that fact and you for whatever reason don't see things that way, the solution is easy. He/she should not coach for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 11:22:52 GMT -6
For me it depends entirely on the makeup of your coaching staff. I work with mostly young guys who have recently graduated and are transitioning from player to coach. Some of them require very little guidance (if any) and some seem to need to be told what to do, have their own opinions on how something should be done or don't seem to care enough (that is my perception, at least). Our HC dictates a code of conduct / expectations to us at the start of every year and holds us to it. That includes simple things like being at practice on time (i.e. early), bringing a whistle, etc.
As a coordinator I'm involved in practice planning on a weekly basis. During preseason the HC and coordinators dictate what the positional coaches teach during practice. They're all given a copy of the practice plan (with timings) at least 24 hours in advance so that they can review what they are going to teach and how they are going to teach it. In season I ask the positional coaches what we need to work on, based on the performance of their group from our previous game / practice, etc. I also hold a preseason meeting to discuss the playbook and make sure that the positional coaches are comfortable with the content and that the language/terminology is something they are comfortable using when they coach. If I see or hear them coaching something wildly different during practice I'll address it and correct it (constructively!).
Basically there are times you need to dictate what your coaches do and times where you need to give them as much freedom as you can. As far as autonomy goes, I like to give as much freedom as I can where I am comfortable giving it but in some cases you can end up handing someone enough rope to hang themselves. I like my guys to take initiative, make suggestions, contribute during film review / game planning and be responsible for their own development but again it comes back to individuals. Some of them do a great job, show some real enthusiasm and interest while some of them don't seem to care enough (again, my perception).
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 10, 2016 13:43:02 GMT -6
My HC expects you to coach. He gives a great deal of leeway once the scheme/parameters are laid out. He'll offer suggestions and ask questions, but the ACs are expected to be the "HC" of their position.
He tells us, he'll coach your position if you need him to, but he won't do it for long.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 10, 2016 13:47:40 GMT -6
My HC expects you to coach. He gives a great deal of leeway once the scheme/parameters are laid out. He'll offer suggestions and ask questions, but the ACs are expected to be the "HC" of their position. He tells us, he'll coach your position if you need him to, but he won't do it for long. Yes, but I think the issue the OP is facing is "who decides 'if you need him too'?" I am not sure if I like the thought process of telling someone they are the head coach of their position. No, an position coach is supposed to be delivering the policies and procedures of the HC (and by extension the coordinators). Now if an assistant can clearly do a job without someone looking over his shoulder, great. But to present it to the staff that they are each the HC of their positions regardless of individual abilities; I am not really a supporter of this. I realize we are just talking vernacular, but (and obviously this is just me) I don't like to associate that kind of autonomy, especially when at least 3 threads a month pop up here with people complaining about inadequate coaching and lack of quality assistants.
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Post by realdawg on Jul 10, 2016 13:50:20 GMT -6
As a DC, I have worked for a HC who told me on the first day-run a 3-4, and after that I had complete autonomy. HC had no input unless I asked for it. Said he hired me to do a job and trusted me and had enough to worry about. New HC, is a first time HC, and a former DC. Also my DB coach. Doesnt want to coordinate either side to have more time to manage the program. But is heavily involved and knows whats going on on both sides of the ball.
As a DC, I give my coaches autonomy unless they show me they cant. Then I tell them what to do in detail. Got a DL coach who was a first year coach last year. Went over everything with him every day. Great guy, great worker. Has earned my trust. Now its hey, you got 15 min of indy. You know what to do.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jul 10, 2016 15:27:36 GMT -6
I'm a DC that is given almost complete autonomy by the HC. He'll make a suggestion a couple times a year and I make damn sure that we find a way to fit his suggestion into what we do. I appreciate the freedom he gives me so I'm never going to make it seem like I'm ignoring his advice.
Our varsity assistants are experienced guys, all have been varsity coaches for over 10 years and we develop our game plan together each week. They know when we leave the office Sunday what we're planning to see and do that week so I don't micromanage their individual time from there.
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Post by dytmook on Jul 10, 2016 15:38:47 GMT -6
If someone thinks that's micro managing they need a reality check. Seems like you are willing to give guys a chance to develop their identity within in the system.
My HC and OC give a lot of freedom. I work with the oline so does the OC most of the time. If he won't be around or needs to work with another group he will tell me. I want you to have them work on down blocks. I can do it however I choose as long as it is productive. A lot of times we all will talk out what we are doing to make sure we remain on the same page when we put the group together.
I think I have just the right amount of autonomy. Like calling JV games I can pretty much do what I want as long as I can justify how it fits our system and keep our basic rules.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 10, 2016 18:56:29 GMT -6
My HC expects you to coach. He gives a great deal of leeway once the scheme/parameters are laid out. He'll offer suggestions and ask questions, but the ACs are expected to be the "HC" of their position. He tells us, he'll coach your position if you need him to, but he won't do it for long. Yes, but I think the issue the OP is facing is "who decides 'if you need him too'?" I am not sure if I like the thought process of telling someone they are the head coach of their position. No, an position coach is supposed to be delivering the policies and procedures of the HC (and by extension the coordinators). Now if an assistant can clearly do a job without someone looking over his shoulder, great. But to present it to the staff that they are each the HC of their positions regardless of individual abilities; I am not really a supporter of this. I realize we are just talking vernacular, but (and obviously this is just me) I don't like to associate that kind of autonomy, especially when at least 3 threads a month pop up here with people complaining about inadequate coaching and lack of quality assistants. We have a mix of young and experienced coaches. The HC hires the best he can find. He trusts that they will work. It's not like there are a bunch of guys willy nilly doing their own thing. But if he hires a dame good OL coach and that OL coach has certain things he want to implement, then he has the leeway to do so. I do a bunch of stuff that the HC has flat out told me he wasn't real sure about and didn't think they would work, but in retrospect he likes. There IS a plan in place and our program has a system for offense, defense, and special teams. There is plan in place for off season work, the weight room, player development; the whole nine yards. The HC can't be everywhere all the time; he hires good people to do a job. Now, does he get involved? Yes, but he expects each man to pull his own weight. If not then: he'll coach your position if you need him to, but he won't do it for long.
This might not work for every program, but we have made it work. The guys take pride in the ownership of their specific position group and having them well prepared. When you give someone the authority to take charge, they usually respond in kind with the self direction. I have no qualms about taking that on; I rather like my job and will do whatever I can to keep it.
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Post by CS on Jul 10, 2016 19:31:06 GMT -6
As a DC, I have worked for a HC who told me on the first day-run a 3-4, and after that I had complete autonomy. HC had no input unless I asked for it. Said he hired me to do a job and trusted me and had enough to worry about. New HC, is a first time HC, and a former DC. Also my DB coach. Doesnt want to coordinate either side to have more time to manage the program. But is heavily involved and knows whats going on on both sides of the ball. As a DC, I give my coaches autonomy unless they show me they cant. Then I tell them what to do in detail. Got a DL coach who was a first year coach last year. Went over everything with him every day. Great guy, great worker. Has earned my trust. Now its hey, you got 15 min of indy. You know what to do. I never understood the run this defense but I don't care how you do it approach. If you care that little about what's going on why do you have a preference on alignment?
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Post by realdawg on Jul 10, 2016 19:37:43 GMT -6
I got nothing boss. Just the way it was. Good in a way, got to do whatever I wanted, never had to worry about being second guessed, never had anyone looking over my shoulder. Bad in a way bc at the time we had an inexperienced staff and there were times I would have welcomed some more input into the game plan. Just the way it was.
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Post by s73 on Jul 10, 2016 21:29:34 GMT -6
I've always been the guy who feels they earn their autonomy. If they are coming to stuff in the off season, generally show some knowledge when we talk football, show some passion, take initiative, etc.
Then yes. But if they are being a slug and generally don't show an improvement in knowledge over time then no.
The thing is, the guys who WANT autonomy will generally do what they need to do to get it. Other guys IMO, the "check collectors", in general would rather be told what to do anyway.
JMO.
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Post by carookie on Jul 10, 2016 21:42:03 GMT -6
As the DC here is what I did. Obviously I had a plan, and an idea of how I thought things should be done, and I had this completely articulated. This only makes sense though, there is a goal we are trying to reach I should know the steps to get there. I have things mapped out going into spring ball and I have it mapped out throughout the season. Yes, this includes drills, and yes this includes practice time. It needs to include drills, because drills need to teach a specific technique, and that technique needs to fit scheme. And it includes practice time because I am efficient and I expect you to be too, if you are consistently unable to complete the drills in the time allotted then the players arent being fully trained.
Now this isnt to say that I am not willing to listen to changes coaches want to make, but these need to happen prior to spring ball; and I may not agree with it so don't assume all changes will be made. But its not to say I don't listen, much of what I do today is through change and adaptation . Once the plan is set I expect it followed, this keeps us all on the same page and all working to the same goals, it would take something pretty massive to force a change later down the road.
Once this is done things are easy, you teach the drills that are designed to teach at the time designated for it (and of course you are expected to have things set up and run properly).
As a coordinator, I can see giving autonomy to a position coach who knows more than you, and whom you trust to follow your scheme. But in the end wouldn't you want to know what is going on at all times and keep track of it, at the very least that will help you grow in case that person isnt there someday.
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Post by blitzology on Jul 10, 2016 22:31:08 GMT -6
option1 Everything you mentioned seem like reasonable expectations for any coach. Some people need more managing than others. If they feel like you are micro managing then so be it. My Thoughts: Experience doesn't equal Expertise. Demonstrate expertise and you will earn autonomy. People get uncomfortable when they are expected to be able to explain what they are doing, how they are doing it, and why they are doing it that way. Discomfort helps you grow. Everyone is responsible for a better way. If you have a better way, speak up in staff meetings. My name in on the defense. I'm going to oversee every aspect of what goes on within the defense. Our film and results are my resume.
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Post by somecoach on Jul 10, 2016 23:41:59 GMT -6
You hit the nail on the head.
As a Head Coach or coordinator, you SHOULD be a micromanager.
Treat it like you would treat any other business. Whether it be a restaurant, construction, etc.
Obviously leave room to "make it your own" for the assistant coaches, i.e. new drills or opinion on techniques.
But how are you supposed to expect a your linebackers to fit the runs properly if you never told the coach how you want it done? ( or the suggested drill to teach how to do it)
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Post by option1 on Jul 11, 2016 4:57:16 GMT -6
Great responses! As a coordinator I've only had one coach insist I do things his way. I didn't really have an issue with it other than I didn't understand what the heck he wanted half the time. He was a GA under a very successful big time coach and had held a couple of other small college jobs. If I asked questions he approached it more as I was questioning him. I lasted one season but we remain friends. Currently we have a mixed group and I coach DB's. We have many of the issues I posted in the OP and it becomes cumbersome to deal with. If I go to the boss he is good about addressing it. I will say I did have to take the DL from him 2 years ago
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Post by SconnieOC on Jul 11, 2016 7:08:40 GMT -6
Our HC is a defensive guy, so spends most of his time game planning with our DC. As a young OC, this is both awesome, and occasionally frustrating. He brought me in because he wanted to run up-tempo spread type stuff. He didn't mean straight 10 personnel, he had a vision, and brought me in to implement it. I have total control over what happens on the offensive side. During games, he might make suggestions on a type of play (Lets take a shot, how about that trick play, run the damn ball) but he doesn't micromanage me, near as much as much as he does the DC, and I like it that way.
At the same time, it's hard to bounce ideas off of someone who is spending a lot of time game planning. This is his first HC gig and he's done a much better job over the last year, trying to get more involved in our offensive stuff.
I'll openly admit I'm a bit of a micromanager of our position coaches. We're young on our side so I'll always ask the position coaches in our meetings what they want to do that day. If I don't love what they're doing, I'll ask why we need to do that today. If they can back it up and it fits, go ahead, if it's just because "I don't know, we havent' worked on that in a week" then I'll give them something that we need to work on. My name is on the offense, and I want to make sure we're doing things the right way. I'll be the first to admit (and I actually brought it up in my evaluation this year) that I need to work on letting things go a bit
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 11, 2016 7:23:04 GMT -6
Our HC is a defensive guy, so spends most of his time game planning with our DC. As a young OC, this is both awesome, and occasionally frustrating. He brought me in because he wanted to run up-tempo spread type stuff. He didn't mean straight 10 personnel, he had a vision, and brought me in to implement it. I have total control over what happens on the offensive side. During games, he might make suggestions on a type of play (Lets take a shot, how about that trick play, run the damn ball) but he doesn't micromanage me, near as much as much as he does the DC, and I like it that way. At the same time, it's hard to bounce ideas off of someone who is spending a lot of time game planning. This is his first HC gig and he's done a much better job over the last year, trying to get more involved in our offensive stuff. I'll openly admit I'm a bit of a micromanager of our position coaches. We're young on our side so I'll always ask the position coaches in our meetings what they want to do that day. If I don't love what they're doing, I'll ask why we need to do that today. If they can back it up and it fits, go ahead, if it's just because "I don't know, we havent' worked on that in a week" then I'll give them something that we need to work on. My name is on the offense, and I want to make sure we're doing things the right way. I'll be the first to admit (and I actually brought it up in my evaluation this year) that I need to work on letting things go a bit That a lot like our program. The HC was the DC and he spent most of his time coming up with the plan for the week on that side of the ball. So far as the offense he just wanted to know what the plan was was and the only real suggestions he made was noting any special players the Offense had to account for and what that might entail, or if maybe make suggestions like, "We need to manage the game to help keep their offense off the field..." type stuff. I think as the OC in your situation to get that interaction from your ACs, being young/inexperienced, you have to not only manage them a little closer but you should also seek to mentor them to be more of the staff that you can bounce ideas off of and create that discussion/interaction. Instead of asking "What are the WRs going to do in Indy on Monday?", change your questioning to more How's and Why's. Set the questions to guide them in a direction for self discovery. IE "How are we going to improve our blocking on the XXXX screen?" "Why do we keep missing the 1st level threat on XXXX screen?" You have the chance to be the HC of the offense, so you want the thing run correctly. But are you going to be back in the same boat next year or will your staff exhibit growth so that you can not only be developing the offensive players, but the offensive staff as well. My HC asks me all the time, "How do/can we......?" and if I don't have the answer, I've go to go find it. I never presume to have all the answers, and neither does my HC expect me.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 11, 2016 7:29:00 GMT -6
I think a lot of the responses to this revolve around semantics of the OP, "How much autonomy...?" I don't want it to sound like my HC is standing under an oak tree, smoking Marlboros all practice. He is the LB coach, is heavily involved in Special Teams, and he runs around the practice field as much as the players. As Blitzology stated, you have to earn your autonomy. A good manager hires someone to do a job, monitors to ensure that he is doing that job, then moves away from overseeing every little aspect of that job as competence is shown. It is the process of managing a program.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Jul 11, 2016 8:48:10 GMT -6
A fee years ago our then HC gave all coaches a ton of room to do their own thing. I'm not saying teaching to different schemes, but more just teach it how you want it. That lasted until he realized that the line coaches were terrible at their jobs. He never taught proper pulling technique, but would instead teach them that you can slide you hand up really quick and almost choke out a defender.
He ended up having individual meetings with everybody to discuss what was and wasn't being taught. And they were let go at the end of the season, because he ended up having to do a lot of hand holding with them. And also because he found out after the season that they stole from us.
Letting other coaches do their own stuff is fine as long as it's the correct stuff. If you trust them, it's pretty easy. If you don't, then it makes your job pretty hard.
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Post by Cody Gardner on Jul 11, 2016 9:57:43 GMT -6
I definitely gave too much rope in my 1st year as a coordinator, I didn't want to micro manage. I gave too much credit, they are experienced guys but not on the defensive side of the ball. If I had a do over, I would have made them run me thru their EDDs, before season.
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 11, 2016 12:08:07 GMT -6
As a HC or Coordinator, how much autonomy do you give position coaches and or coordinators? Do you instruct them on how to drill? Time management? As a coordinator I have been through several phases with this. Obviously if you have young coaches they will need more guidance, however, there is a certain amount I believe one should expect from coaches that have been around awhile. I have been an OC or DC for most of my career and without "ultimate authority" of a HC, I haven't quite figured out a happy medium on this aspect. What I expect - Have your practice area ready to go (even if you have players do it) - Know how your position works within the scheme - Coach within the scheme (Don't spend 95% of your time running routes when 95% of your positions time will be spent stalk blocking) (Don't teach the DE to slow play QB vs. load when he is a spill/dive player) - Coach your position (DL coach should not be talking to the secondary) - Talk less, drill more - Organization (If you have 25 guys, do not rep them one at a time) - Time management (If we have something to install make sure your group understands what and how to do it when we come together) - Coach fundamentals (Don't get bored and start installing random stuff because you did "everything already". And definitely do not stand around in the shade) Several of these overlap, but I do not think it's too much to expect. Meanwhile, I'm often confronted as a micro manager and know it all. I give autonomy in small doses I have OCD every day we get 60 minutes of offense total that is broken up into 12 - 5 minute segments and i have a manager run our scoreboard clock/buzzer to keep us on time i decide how that is divided up between individual, small group, and team periods parts of practice i write in the specific drill i want done if i dont have something super specific i want done, i will write in "INDY" if i want them working that or for example i always put in time for QBs and WRs to throw/run routes i give my QB coach and WR coaches some autonomy to decide if they need to do it on air to work the steps/timing, to put 1 or 2 key defeneders out there for reads, or to go full/half field 7on7... however i only "give them" a handful of plays to work each day i wrote here about how i divide our offense into 3 days for install and practice www.coachbdud.com/2016/06/29/3-day-install-and-practice-planning/so on the back of our schedule i have a script (for when we go team) that also includes a "bank" of run and pass plays we are "allowed" to rep that day it is a guided/controlled autonomy, i do not want to be a nazi, but i also do now want what i call "happy fun recess time" i ALWAYS have the OL/TE/FB stuff pre planned for the day because it is what i coach and put the most time/effort into if they give me input i take it into account and make changes for future days ... if my QB coach needs more time working the TE/FB stuff in our play action game i give them to him for 10 minutes here and there (pre planned of course) one day a week i trade those TE/FBs to our WR coach for some of his guys (who will have to block in the box on our run game) i work those guys blocking down on DEs for buck, he works with my TE/FBs to catch the ball better a controlled autonomy
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Post by coachcb on Jul 11, 2016 14:41:30 GMT -6
I won't lie, I'm a bit of a micro manager when it comes to coordinator and HC positions. I lay out a very specific practice plan, detailing what needs to be done and when. I will give the assistants as much leeway as I can in terms of the drills they choose to rep particular skills as long as said-skills are being properly taught. However, it's with the understanding that practice is fast-paced, PERIOD. They need to use drills that get the kids as many turns as possible and they need to coach on the fly. I have had many chats with assistants when I see the kids standing around while the coaches either explain a skill to death or the kids are standing around.. But, there are things that I expect to drilled and taught in a certain manner and I'm a stickler about those.
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