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Post by jgordon1 on Mar 14, 2016 8:25:26 GMT -6
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Post by realdawg on Mar 14, 2016 8:47:42 GMT -6
We bought some, I think they are great if you are teaching the hawk tackle or some kind of rugby tackle. If you hit them high they flip over. I personally like them and use them about every day. They can also be used to set up and teach your WR to settle in zones.
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Post by **** on Mar 15, 2016 6:58:43 GMT -6
We have 5 and use them everyday. They work pretty well; just have a couple broken guys/managers pull them around in drills. If they hit them too high they do flip like realdawg said and the kids will go for a ride. They learned to stay low after the first couple days. I like them, we're looking into getting some tackling rings for this year.
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Post by agap on Mar 15, 2016 7:07:04 GMT -6
It seems like they'd be useful, but we could probably buy a lot of other things to help our program rather than spending close to $3,000 on three of these after shipping.
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Post by coachpsl on Mar 15, 2016 8:57:54 GMT -6
Both those look ideal for teaching hawk tackle. Really doubt we can afford the shadowman, but the crowther ring I could see us using. Is there a cheaper version of those out there? Or maybe a deal if you get a few?
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Post by carookie on Mar 15, 2016 9:34:01 GMT -6
The main issue is the base of them (innertube) is very wide so you won't be able to get as close to the target (the actual shadowman) when you make the tackle. Also, the strap by which you pull it can often get in the way; kids need to learn how to avoid a strap when making a tackle
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Post by lochness on Mar 15, 2016 18:22:05 GMT -6
Way over-priced. Looks like an awesome tool to help safely teach tackling...but not at that cost.
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 15, 2016 21:12:45 GMT -6
We looked into the shadowman. Too expensive.
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Post by 60zgo on Mar 15, 2016 21:27:00 GMT -6
I love the dog in the practice drill for hawk tackling.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 15, 2016 22:38:26 GMT -6
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 17, 2016 8:51:13 GMT -6
seriously though does anyone see a fault with this ?
cuz i think i am about to buy 3 of these for $300 and call it a day
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Post by 60zgo on Mar 17, 2016 9:29:48 GMT -6
seriously though does anyone see a fault with this ? cuz i think i am about to buy 3 of these for $300 and call it a day I guess the only question could be durability? Maybe buy one and test it out. But I'm very intrigued.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Mar 17, 2016 10:24:34 GMT -6
I have three and we use them daily. We tried the home-made version and had some safety issues with the inner tube stems, the ropes we used, and they didn't stay upright as well as we thought they would.
We also use these as pop-ups..hardest part was getting the right water/air balance in the humanoid.
We have built everything from squat racks to prowler style sleds to trap chutes and storage systems.
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Post by coachlew66 on Mar 17, 2016 12:58:43 GMT -6
Greetings Fellow Coaches,
I have used the Shadowman product for several years now, on multiple levels of football, and cannot imagine a successful football practice without them. Especially with the new contact restriction laws.
I highly endorse this project not only for tackling, but for offensive purposes, as well as fundamentals drills. The product is durable, easily stored, and serves multiple purposes in practice that do not require contact with another player.
We have used the humanoid to work on our tackling in the open field, going to the boundary, and as a pass rush target. We use several at once for option responsibilities as well. We split the defense into three categories based on position group and had coaches or managers "caddy" the shadowman while players tackled them. In 10 minutes, each player had multiple reps without hitting any other player. In each of these scenarios we were able to reach the desired effect. Our tackling as a team was vastly improved and we had a significant reduction in injuries (including head related injuries).
Offensively, we were able to use the humanoids as blocking targets, coverage reads, created would-be "traffic" for receivers in their routes, and several QB, RB & WR drills.
The actual process of tackling the shadowman is exactly like tackling a human body. Players must strike low with their should pad, run feet through contact, wrap the implement, and gator-roll the ball carrier. If the process is done correctly, the player and the humanoid roll off the tube together. I find the immediate feedback of the dummy to be the most impactful component. If the player bounces from the contact with the dummy and/or the tube, then it is clear the player struck in a downward manner and is incorrect. If the player and the humanoid come apart from each other after contact has been made, then the wrap was not sufficient. If the player is running and tackling full speed after a walk through and half speed progression, then contact with ancillary pieces rather than the humanoid seems improbable.
The cost is well worth the safety and development of players, and proper instruction. The durability and dependability of reliable and timely customer service easily validates the cost on the front end.
Sincerely, Coach Adam W. Lewandowski Head Football Coach Andrew High School
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 23, 2016 20:03:33 GMT -6
i bought one of the inflatable punching bags i posted above (found it cheaper through a different seller on amazon) going out of town during spring break, but after that i will set up my own ghetto shadowman and see how durable it is i am basically gonna beat the crap out of it and try to pop it if it holds up... then i will feel smart for the day i'll let you guys know how it turns out
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Post by jared10227 on Mar 23, 2016 20:11:40 GMT -6
i bought one of the inflatable punching bags i posted above (found it cheaper through a different seller on amazon) going out of town during spring break, but after that i will set up my own ghetto shadowman and see how durable it is i am basically gonna beat the crap out of it and try to pop it if it holds up... then i will feel smart for the day i'll let you guys know how it turns out Please send video if you try to tackle this thing...haha Our HC set up the shadowman the first day we got them and was going to show the coaches how he wanted us to utilize them, at full speed. Now he is an in shape 61 years old, played at UF and then for the Steelers....but seeing him almost kiLL himself flying over the top of the shadow man (he hit it too high) was worth every penny he paid for it.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 23, 2016 20:31:27 GMT -6
i bought one of the inflatable punching bags i posted above (found it cheaper through a different seller on amazon) going out of town during spring break, but after that i will set up my own ghetto shadowman and see how durable it is i am basically gonna beat the crap out of it and try to pop it if it holds up... then i will feel smart for the day i'll let you guys know how it turns out Please send video if you try to tackle this thing...haha Our HC set up the shadowman the first day we got them and was going to show the coaches how he wanted us to utilize them, at full speed. Now he is an in shape 61 years old, played at UF and then for the Steelers....but seeing him almost kiLL himself flying over the top of the shadow man (he hit it too high) was worth every penny he paid for it. I'm hella short, i don't think it is physically possible for me to hit it "too high" haha
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 23, 2016 23:31:03 GMT -6
Please send video if you try to tackle this thing...haha Our HC set up the shadowman the first day we got them and was going to show the coaches how he wanted us to utilize them, at full speed. Now he is an in shape 61 years old, played at UF and then for the Steelers....but seeing him almost kiLL himself flying over the top of the shadow man (he hit it too high) was worth every penny he paid for it. I'm hella short Well, it's confirmed... You're officially from Nor-Cal.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 24, 2016 8:11:18 GMT -6
Well, it's confirmed... You're officially from Nor-Cal. I have the bay bridge tattood on my face
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Post by kopep on Mar 28, 2016 13:40:27 GMT -6
I love the Shadowman. We have 8 of them in the program. I will never teach my kids how to tackle on another teammate again. Honestly one of the best purchases I have made as a coach in a long time. In addition to our work on defense we use them for our outside zone drill work.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 28, 2016 19:35:21 GMT -6
I love the Shadowman. We have 8 of them in the program. I will never teach my kids how to tackle on another teammate again. Honestly one of the best purchases I have made as a coach in a long time. In addition to our work on defense we use them for our outside zone drill work. Please Explain how you use them for OZ You can respond in PM if you don't wanna hijack this thread
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 3, 2016 21:52:08 GMT -6
actually saw an idea from a video on their site offensive drill, would work well for OZ, Pin n Pull, or Bucksweep
they had 3 all connected together ... like a train
player or coach pulls the end of the leash, and all 3 slide in unison
great for whoever is the one in these schemes CLIMBING up to the LB level hard to get kids to understand -attacking on a wide enough track to pick up the LB in space -finding the right LB in space
also, hard to get scout kids to simulate in right, if my frankenstein shadowman works well... i will build more and use them for our outside run schemes
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Post by nighthawk19 on Jun 18, 2016 19:16:52 GMT -6
Coachbud, how did your homemade shadowman work out? Any videos? Do you recommend others build their own? Thanks
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 18, 2016 20:33:06 GMT -6
I was thinking, maybe a old everlast heavy bag on a tire and pull it. Screw into the tire a D ring or something to tie your rope to. The heavy bag might last better.
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Post by disconinja on Jul 20, 2016 15:55:03 GMT -6
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Post by wiscoach on Aug 11, 2016 6:24:33 GMT -6
i bought one of the inflatable punching bags i posted above (found it cheaper through a different seller on amazon) going out of town during spring break, but after that i will set up my own ghetto shadowman and see how durable it is i am basically gonna beat the crap out of it and try to pop it if it holds up... then i will feel smart for the day i'll let you guys know how it turns out How did this end up working?
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Post by leethefootballcoach on Aug 11, 2016 19:56:53 GMT -6
Offensively I have used it to work cut blocks/ backside scoop. If dummy penetrated you cut it. If it stayed flat, cross its face and get playside to LB. But your first two steps have to be low like you are cutting it.
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Post by bthsfan on Jan 18, 2017 11:24:39 GMT -6
I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but is it overpriced if it helps keep your players safe? I had the same issue as all of you too expensive. Talked to my AD who talked to Superintendent and they agreed safety first. We ended up buying the 6 bag package and it was great. Not only used it for tackling, but for WR, OL form fit on them, pursuit drill with defense, there use are only limited to lack of imagination. I strongly suggest you find a way to fund raise for them. I don't regret buying them. Did some fund raising for them, Lift-a-thon, discount cards and school matched what we raised to get the 6 bag package.
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Post by husky44 on Jan 18, 2017 16:55:16 GMT -6
We have 5 and use them everyday. They work pretty well; just have a couple broken guys/managers pull them around in drills. If they hit them too high they do flip like realdawg said and the kids will go for a ride. They learned to stay low after the first couple days. I like them, we're looking into getting some tackling rings for this year. What is the advantage of the Shadowman over the tackling rings? We have some money and are looking at both options. We could buy 7-8 tackling rings for the price of a couple of shadowman's. I would also think the tackling rings would be easier to store.
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Post by **** on Jan 19, 2017 7:35:33 GMT -6
We have 5 and use them everyday. They work pretty well; just have a couple broken guys/managers pull them around in drills. If they hit them too high they do flip like realdawg said and the kids will go for a ride. They learned to stay low after the first couple days. I like them, we're looking into getting some tackling rings for this year. What is the advantage of the Shadowman over the tackling rings? We have some money and are looking at both options. We could buy 7-8 tackling rings for the price of a couple of shadowman's. I would also think the tackling rings would be easier to store. We've haven't got any rings yet but might get one/some this year and see how we like it. To me the rings usually result in a kid dropping his head and diving at it. Basically you're doing a hawk roll tackle every time and looking at the ground. With the shadow mans you can do that and normal hawk/profile tackles. Or use them as stand up dummies. I think you can just do more stuff with the shadowman. I think the rings would be easier to set up and store like you said. Shadowmans don't take 5 minutes to set up but rolling the ring out would take 10 seconds. I don't think shadowmans are the be all end all for tackling. They're a good resource to use but we still hit the 1 man / 5 man and do other drills too.
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