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Post by mikeyg on Nov 1, 2015 21:42:01 GMT -6
Had a kid a couple years ago miss practice do go to the hair dresser. Yeah… HAIR. DRESSER. And we have a new one a top the polls this week! Wow I got one for you. A few weeks ago during homecoming we had our star Nose Gaurd, who was also the district MVP last year, miss practice to go with his girlfriend to the hair salon so he could get his hair braided (Native American kid) to match his girlfriends. That was on Friday and Monday he missed practice to go dress shopping. Kids these days!
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Post by cfoott on Nov 10, 2015 12:56:52 GMT -6
And we have a new one a top the polls this week! Wow I got one for you. A few weeks ago during homecoming we had our star Nose Gaurd, who was also the district MVP last year, miss practice to go with his girlfriend to the hair salon so he could get his hair braided (Native American kid) to match his girlfriends. That was on Friday and Monday he missed practice to go dress shopping. Kids these days! Can't find words...
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Post by jrk5150 on Nov 10, 2015 13:13:30 GMT -6
This is borderline relevant, but I would caution coaches to make sure they try to get to the heart of a kid's motives before passing judgement.
Short story about me - I am 46, so this was the 80's. HS Senior. Basketball. I got injured and had to miss a couple of games. At a home game, instead of being on the bench and with the team, I sat up in the stands with my girlfriend. Now, I was the best player in the history of my HS, I had a college scholarship in my pocket, I was probably the second best player in our county. I can only imagine at what people must have thought - I was too good for the team, selfish, or worse. But I swear - in my mind, the bench was where the players sat, and since I wasn't playing, I didn't DESERVE to be on the bench. I was literally that insecure and afraid of being rejected that I didn't even try to stay with the team. I had no idea I was doing anything wrong. All I needed was one of my coaches to be like WTF are you doing, get your a*s down here! But there were a lot of other issues at play here, so I think they just thought I was distancing myself from the team. That wasn't what I was doing. Man, to this day when I think about it I sometime physically shudder at my naivete/stupidity.
I think adults sometimes tend to think they understand adolescent behavior when maybe they don't. Now - does that excuse what you guys are posting about? Not really, but it's something to think about, sometimes things aren't as they seem...
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Post by craines10 on Nov 12, 2015 10:58:35 GMT -6
Easily one of the greatest threads ever!!!!!
Gotta contribute! 2008...Week 1. We have been at the stadium and dressed and doing walkthrough etc... Our strating DT walks into the office and says to our HC "Hey Coach I got to leave its an emergency" Our HC asks if everything is ok and is there anything he needs to do to help...the kid says "Oh no there is no issue at home..nobody hurt or anything...my job just left me a messsage and said they needed me to come in and close tonight. So I am gonna go ahead and pick up these extra hours" Every Coach in the office has this dumbfounded look on his face...HC says "You got to be F&*^* Sh*** me...WE HAVE A GAME in less than a hour" The kid says "Coach I been trying to get these extra hours all summer" HC tells him to do what he thinks is best. Kid says "Thanks Coach" and leaves the office. HC looks at another assistant and says the minute he leaves the locker room empty his locker. That is one of my top 5 moments of player BS! lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 11:38:08 GMT -6
Easily one of the greatest threads ever!!!!! Gotta contribute! 2008...Week 1. We have been at the stadium and dressed and doing walkthrough etc... Our strating DT walks into the office and says to our HC "Hey Coach I got to leave its an emergency" Our HC asks if everything is ok and is there anything he needs to do to help...the kid says "Oh no there is no issue at home..nobody hurt or anything...my job just left me a messsage and said they needed me to come in and close tonight. So I am gonna go ahead and pick up these extra hours" Every Coach in the office has this dumbfounded look on his face...HC says "You got to be F&*^* Sh*** me...WE HAVE A GAME in less than a hour" The kid says "Coach I been trying to get these extra hours all summer" HC tells him to do what he thinks is best. Kid says "Thanks Coach" and leaves the office. HC looks at another assistant and says the minute he leaves the locker room empty his locker. That is one of my top 5 moments of player BS! lol And your hoc was absolutely correct.
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Post by craines10 on Nov 12, 2015 11:41:14 GMT -6
Easily one of the greatest threads ever!!!!! Gotta contribute! 2008...Week 1. We have been at the stadium and dressed and doing walkthrough etc... Our strating DT walks into the office and says to our HC "Hey Coach I got to leave its an emergency" Our HC asks if everything is ok and is there anything he needs to do to help...the kid says "Oh no there is no issue at home..nobody hurt or anything...my job just left me a messsage and said they needed me to come in and close tonight. So I am gonna go ahead and pick up these extra hours" Every Coach in the office has this dumbfounded look on his face...HC says "You got to be F&*^* Sh*** me...WE HAVE A GAME in less than a hour" The kid says "Coach I been trying to get these extra hours all summer" HC tells him to do what he thinks is best. Kid says "Thanks Coach" and leaves the office. HC looks at another assistant and says the minute he leaves the locker room empty his locker. That is one of my top 5 moments of player BS! lol And your hoc was absolutely correct. Without a doubt..
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Post by crock1615 on Nov 13, 2015 11:28:47 GMT -6
One issue we have here is parents punishing kids and making them miss games for stupid stuff. last year our starting QB missed a game because he washed his stepfather's clothes when he was not supposed to. This year had our best receiver miss a game because his mother said he raised his eyebrows at her when she told him he didn't make up his bed to meet her standards. We thought he was joking when he told us he couldn't play that friday. He just said "Sorry, coach, my mom is crazy."
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Post by olcoach53 on Nov 13, 2015 12:54:53 GMT -6
Wow. Crazy stories here. Sometimes the kids just do not get it and we as coaches care more than they do. It is unfortunate but it is the society we live in these days.
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 13, 2015 13:51:42 GMT -6
My favorite missing practice story goes back to my first coaching job. I was standing outside my classroom door during passing period and a freshmen comes up to me and gives me the "Sorry, Coach, I won't be at practice today" talk and I just simply nodded my head and said, "Okay, thank you for letting me know." Then, when he walked away, it dawned on me that that was a kid who quit and hadn't been at practice in at least a couple weeks. I still have no idea what prompted him to approach me that particular day!
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Post by craines10 on Nov 13, 2015 15:07:44 GMT -6
We had 3 kids "boycott" the team because they felt they had been disrespected because they were on the freh/soph team. Thought they were making a point until nobody asked them why they hadnt been to practice. I told one of them we had already cleaned out his locker and his personal stuff was in a trash bag and he could come get it anytime
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 13, 2015 19:47:04 GMT -6
Wow. Crazy stories here. Sometimes the kids just do not get it and we as coaches care more than they do. It is unfortunate but it is the society we live in these days. These days? That is how it has always been, and how it always will be. I think lots of times we the coaches forget WE are the outliers here.
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Post by fantom on Nov 14, 2015 10:29:12 GMT -6
Wow. Crazy stories here. Sometimes the kids just do not get it and we as coaches care more than they do. It is unfortunate but it is the society we live in these days. These days? That is how it has always been, and how it always will be. I think lots of times we the coaches forget WE are the outliers here. This has been my feeling for a long time, that kids today aren't really different to the way we were. We may have had kids who missed practice or games for similarly silly reasons when we were playing. We were players, though, not coaches. Nobody told us why Johnny wasn't there. Only the coaches heard the stories.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 14, 2015 10:42:43 GMT -6
Easily one of the greatest threads ever!!!!! Gotta contribute! 2008...Week 1. We have been at the stadium and dressed and doing walkthrough etc... Our strating DT walks into the office and says to our HC "Hey Coach I got to leave its an emergency" Our HC asks if everything is ok and is there anything he needs to do to help...the kid says "Oh no there is no issue at home..nobody hurt or anything...my job just left me a messsage and said they needed me to come in and close tonight. So I am gonna go ahead and pick up these extra hours" Every Coach in the office has this dumbfounded look on his face...HC says "You got to be F&*^* Sh*** me...WE HAVE A GAME in less than a hour" The kid says "Coach I been trying to get these extra hours all summer" HC tells him to do what he thinks is best. Kid says "Thanks Coach" and leaves the office. HC looks at another assistant and says the minute he leaves the locker room empty his locker. That is one of my top 5 moments of player BS! lol And your hoc was absolutely correct. I can't say I agree 100%. It isn't as black and white an issue all the time. As jrk5150 mentioned above the kids don't always think in the same manner as we coaches do. I think the head coach would have been better served laying out all the info to the kid BEFORE the kid made the decision, as opposed to a "due what you think is best" comment to a 16 year old. Perhaps "Do what you think is best, but you have made a commitment to this team. You have worked out all summer, you have practiced hard all preseason and have earned a starting spot on this TEAM. Is that worth an extra 35/40 dollars (generously assuming $9/$10 for 4 hours) for tonight? If so, then I have to let you know that you won't be a part of this team anymore. " The HC might also have helped the young kid to think through the situation a bit "Are you going to get these hours every Friday? If so, and the job is more important..good luck to you son. But if NOT, then you are tossing away all that work for 30 bucks. I don't disagree with the coach removing him from the team, but I do think he did it in a sort of chickensh!t manner.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 11:09:18 GMT -6
And your hoc was absolutely correct. I can't say I agree 100%. It isn't as black and white an issue all the time. As jrk5150 mentioned above the kids don't always think in the same manner as we coaches do. I think the head coach would have been better served laying out all the info to the kid BEFORE the kid made the decision, as opposed to a "due what you think is best" comment to a 16 year old. Perhaps "Do what you think is best, but you have made a commitment to this team. You have worked out all summer, you have practiced hard all preseason and have earned a starting spot on this TEAM. Is that worth an extra 35/40 dollars (generously assuming $9/$10 for 4 hours) for tonight? If so, then I have to let you know that you won't be a part of this team anymore. " The HC might also have helped the young kid to think through the situation a bit "Are you going to get these hours every Friday? If so, and the job is more important..good luck to you son. But if NOT, then you are tossing away all that work for 30 bucks. I don't disagree with the coach removing him from the team, but I do think he did it in a sort of chickensh!t manner. Kids are not stupid. That kid knew exactly what he was doing. It is not always well thought out but they know what they are doing.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 14, 2015 11:37:05 GMT -6
I can't say I agree 100%. It isn't as black and white an issue all the time. As jrk5150 mentioned above the kids don't always think in the same manner as we coaches do. I think the head coach would have been better served laying out all the info to the kid BEFORE the kid made the decision, as opposed to a "due what you think is best" comment to a 16 year old. Perhaps "Do what you think is best, but you have made a commitment to this team. You have worked out all summer, you have practiced hard all preseason and have earned a starting spot on this TEAM. Is that worth an extra 35/40 dollars (generously assuming $9/$10 for 4 hours) for tonight? If so, then I have to let you know that you won't be a part of this team anymore. " The HC might also have helped the young kid to think through the situation a bit "Are you going to get these hours every Friday? If so, and the job is more important..good luck to you son. But if NOT, then you are tossing away all that work for 30 bucks. I don't disagree with the coach removing him from the team, but I do think he did it in a sort of chickensh!t manner. Kids are not stupid. That kid knew exactly what he was doing. It is not always well thought out but they know what they are doing. So...kids are not stupid, BUT...they don't always do a good job thinking things through? Isn't the entire purpose of schoolage athletics to mentor and guide. Helping kids THINK THINGS OUT I think your comment could be applied to most of your posts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 12:11:01 GMT -6
Kids are not stupid. That kid knew exactly what he was doing. It is not always well thought out but they know what they are doing. So...kids are not stupid, BUT...they don't always do a good job thinking things through? Isn't the entire purpose of schoolage athletics to mentor and guide. Helping kids THINK THINGS OUT I think your comment could be applied to most of your posts. Thank you for your insight.
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Post by fantom on Nov 14, 2015 13:05:10 GMT -6
I can't say I agree 100%. It isn't as black and white an issue all the time. As jrk5150 mentioned above the kids don't always think in the same manner as we coaches do. I think the head coach would have been better served laying out all the info to the kid BEFORE the kid made the decision, as opposed to a "due what you think is best" comment to a 16 year old. Perhaps "Do what you think is best, but you have made a commitment to this team. You have worked out all summer, you have practiced hard all preseason and have earned a starting spot on this TEAM. Is that worth an extra 35/40 dollars (generously assuming $9/$10 for 4 hours) for tonight? If so, then I have to let you know that you won't be a part of this team anymore. " The HC might also have helped the young kid to think through the situation a bit "Are you going to get these hours every Friday? If so, and the job is more important..good luck to you son. But if NOT, then you are tossing away all that work for 30 bucks. I don't disagree with the coach removing him from the team, but I do think he did it in a sort of chickensh!t manner. Kids are not stupid. That kid knew exactly what he was doing. It is not always well thought out but they know what they are doing. Adolescent brains aren't completely wired yet. Intelligence-wise they might not be stupid but they do things that, if an adult did them, would be considered stupid. They blurt things out at inappropriate times. They don't hand in homework even though they did it. They skip school even though they have nothing better to do and they don't really hate school. I'm not talking about morons, druggies, or losers. Good, smart, well-meaning kids do those things. When I was in HS my Mom was so happy after after we won a big game that she took away my curfew that night. My buddies and I stayed out until 1 AM. We didn't go drinking or partying, we just hung around Dunkin Donuts BSing. When I got home I remembered that I had to set my alarm because I had SAT's in the morning (Worked out OK. Got a 1300). So, you have to keep that in mind when you're dealing with kids.
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Post by blb on Nov 14, 2015 13:19:42 GMT -6
Football is not as important to others as it is to those of us who care enough to be on a coaches' web site like CoachHuey's.
That includes assistant coaches as well as players - much less administrators, etc.
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Post by CS on Nov 14, 2015 15:46:10 GMT -6
Wow. Crazy stories here. Sometimes the kids just do not get it and we as coaches care more than they do. It is unfortunate but it is the society we live in these days. These days? That is how it has always been, and how it always will be. I think lots of times we the coaches forget WE are the outliers here. Beat me to it. I always try and remember the stupid sh!t I did that made my coaches think I was a dumba$$. I was a scholarship athlete in 2 sports and came to baseball practice late to get some. I loved playing football and baseball but at that time I had played more sports than gotten laid so I made what I thought was the logical decision at the time
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Post by craines10 on Nov 14, 2015 20:13:04 GMT -6
And your hoc was absolutely correct. I can't say I agree 100%. It isn't as black and white an issue all the time. As jrk5150 mentioned above the kids don't always think in the same manner as we coaches do. I think the head coach would have been better served laying out all the info to the kid BEFORE the kid made the decision, as opposed to a "due what you think is best" comment to a 16 year old. Perhaps "Do what you think is best, but you have made a commitment to this team. You have worked out all summer, you have practiced hard all preseason and have earned a starting spot on this TEAM. Is that worth an extra 35/40 dollars (generously assuming $9/$10 for 4 hours) for tonight? If so, then I have to let you know that you won't be a part of this team anymore. " The HC might also have helped the young kid to think through the situation a bit "Are you going to get these hours every Friday? If so, and the job is more important..good luck to you son. But if NOT, then you are tossing away all that work for 30 bucks. I don't disagree with the coach removing him from the team, but I do think he did it in a sort of chickensh!t manner. So 45 minutes before kickoff you would have broke it down to him like that. A senior DT...I dont think I said what grade he was in..but this wasnt a sophomore with his first job.... this is a senior starter. Maybe the "You got to be F^&&ing S*&^%ing me we have a game in less than an hour" wasnt clear enough that this was not the right thing to do. This particular HC would always tell the kids "I dont cut people..they cut themselves"..picking up hours on game day is definitely an example of cutting yourself. Maybe your way would have caused the kid to go call his job and say he cant come in...you never know
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 14, 2015 21:43:29 GMT -6
I can't say I agree 100%. It isn't as black and white an issue all the time. As jrk5150 mentioned above the kids don't always think in the same manner as we coaches do. I think the head coach would have been better served laying out all the info to the kid BEFORE the kid made the decision, as opposed to a "due what you think is best" comment to a 16 year old. Perhaps "Do what you think is best, but you have made a commitment to this team. You have worked out all summer, you have practiced hard all preseason and have earned a starting spot on this TEAM. Is that worth an extra 35/40 dollars (generously assuming $9/$10 for 4 hours) for tonight? If so, then I have to let you know that you won't be a part of this team anymore. " The HC might also have helped the young kid to think through the situation a bit "Are you going to get these hours every Friday? If so, and the job is more important..good luck to you son. But if NOT, then you are tossing away all that work for 30 bucks. I don't disagree with the coach removing him from the team, but I do think he did it in a sort of chickensh!t manner. So 45 minutes before kickoff you would have broke it down to him like that. A senior DT...I dont think I said what grade he was in..but this wasnt a sophomore with his first job.... this is a senior starter. Maybe the "You got to be F^&&ing S*&^%ing me we have a game in less than an hour" wasnt clear enough that this was not the right thing to do. This particular HC would always tell the kids "I dont cut people..they cut themselves"..picking up hours on game day is definitely an example of cutting yourself. Maybe your way would have caused the kid to go call his job and say he cant come in...you never know Yes, I like to think I would have, since my "breakdown" was all of 50 words. Now, I can absolutely see being taken so off guard that I would react just like your HC did. I won't deny that. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be disappointed with how I handled it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 6:09:49 GMT -6
So 45 minutes before kickoff you would have broke it down to him like that. A senior DT...I dont think I said what grade he was in..but this wasnt a sophomore with his first job.... this is a senior starter. Maybe the "You got to be F^&&ing S*&^%ing me we have a game in less than an hour" wasnt clear enough that this was not the right thing to do. This particular HC would always tell the kids "I dont cut people..they cut themselves"..picking up hours on game day is definitely an example of cutting yourself. Maybe your way would have caused the kid to go call his job and say he cant come in...you never know Yes, I like to think I would have, since my "breakdown" was all of 50 words. Now, I can absolutely see being taken so off guard that I would react just like your HC did. I won't deny that. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be disappointed with how I handled it. The kid is really no longer a kid and you want to grab his hand and walk him across the street! WOW!!!
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Post by mikeyg on Nov 15, 2015 21:47:29 GMT -6
At times we as coaches forget that these kids we deal with every day are just that. Kids. Kids who have not fully developed mentally. The part of the brain that is associated with logic and reason and consequences does not fully develop until you are about 22-25. So let's not forget that these "idiots' are just like we were at one point in life.
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