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Post by Coach.A on Sept 3, 2015 19:57:08 GMT -6
Two girls showed up to our tryouts.
According to our athletic policy I have to allow them to tryout...if I say no I'd get in all kinds of trouble. One of the girls quit 10 minutes into practice...but the other one has stuck it out for 4 days now.
She is easily the worst player out there, but she is trying hard and she is a good kid. We've never made cuts at our school, but I'm thinking I'm going to cut her because:
1. I fear for her safety
2. Highly unlikely she would ever actually get on the field in a game
3. If she ever did get in a game it would compromise the safety of other players on our team (eg: she would be able to make a block).
Has anybody else ever had to deal with a situation like this? How did you go about it?
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Post by 42falcon on Sept 3, 2015 20:01:56 GMT -6
Let her come out make no special exemptions for her. Talk to her about the situation: playing time & safety.
You need to let her cut herself if you can't cut her.
If you cut her but no guys you will open urself up to a whole lot of crap!!!!
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Post by poundtherock1 on Sept 3, 2015 21:01:12 GMT -6
Let her kick
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Post by 33coach on Sept 3, 2015 21:02:39 GMT -6
Two girls showed up to our tryouts. According to our athletic policy I have to allow them to tryout...if I say no I'd get in all kinds of trouble. One of the girls quit 10 minutes into practice...but the other one has stuck it out for 4 days now. She is easily the worst player out there, but she is trying hard and she is a good kid. We've never made cuts at our school, but I'm thinking I'm going to cut her because: 1. I fear for her safety 2. Highly unlikely she would ever actually get on the field in a game 3. If she ever did get in a game it would compromise the safety of other players on our team (eg: she would be able to make a block). Has anybody else ever had to deal with a situation like this? How did you go about it? This is where you need to take a step back. Is it because she's a girl that you feel this way? Would you do this to a boy that was that bad? You REALLY need to look deep and figure this out. Ive coached girls at the HS and MS level, and what you do is love them up and Rep them and work with them just like the boys... At the end of the day...they are kids, that want to play football...and I say that is a victory and a testament to your program.
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Post by Coach.A on Sept 3, 2015 21:06:44 GMT -6
She is the worst kicker on the team.
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Post by dubber on Sept 3, 2015 21:13:14 GMT -6
she is trying hard and she is a good kid
this matters
Everything else does not.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 3, 2015 21:13:36 GMT -6
she is trying hard and she is a good kid
this matters
Everything else does not.
I couldn't agree more.
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Post by Coach.A on Sept 3, 2015 21:15:02 GMT -6
Two girls showed up to our tryouts. According to our athletic policy I have to allow them to tryout...if I say no I'd get in all kinds of trouble. One of the girls quit 10 minutes into practice...but the other one has stuck it out for 4 days now. She is easily the worst player out there, but she is trying hard and she is a good kid. We've never made cuts at our school, but I'm thinking I'm going to cut her because: 1. I fear for her safety 2. Highly unlikely she would ever actually get on the field in a game 3. If she ever did get in a game it would compromise the safety of other players on our team (eg: she would be able to make a block). Has anybody else ever had to deal with a situation like this? How did you go about it? This is where you need to take a step back. Is it because she's a girl that you feel this way? Would you do this to a boy that was that bad? You REALLY need to look deep and figure this out. Ive coached girls at the HS and MS level, and what you do is love them up and Rep them and work with them just like the boys... At the end of the day...they are kids, that want to play football...and I say that is a victory and a testament to your program. Just talked to our AD about it. You guys are correct that cutting her is probably not the best option...but I will be upfront and honest to her about the fact that she will likely never see the field in a game and that I don't feel comfortable putting her in some live contact drills. And that is exactly how I would treat a male player with her athletic ability. I do understand where you're coming from coach. Like I said, she's a good kid and I respect her effort and toughness, but she would desperately struggle on a freshman team. I coach the high school senior team (varsity)...she has zero playing experience and very limited football knowledge. My concerns about her health and safety are 100% legit.
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Post by dubber on Sept 3, 2015 21:19:24 GMT -6
This is where you need to take a step back. Is it because she's a girl that you feel this way? Would you do this to a boy that was that bad? You REALLY need to look deep and figure this out. Ive coached girls at the HS and MS level, and what you do is love them up and Rep them and work with them just like the boys... At the end of the day...they are kids, that want to play football...and I say that is a victory and a testament to your program. Just talked to our AD about it. You guys are correct that cutting her is probably not the best option...but I will be upfront and honest to her about the fact that she will likely never see the field in a game and that I don't feel comfortable putting her in some live contact drills. And that is exactly how I would treat a male player with her athletic ability. I do understand where you're coming from coach. Like I said, she's a good kid and I respect her effort and toughness, but she would desperately struggle on a freshman team. I coach the high school senior team (varsity)...she has zero playing experience and very limited football knowledge. My concerns about her health and safety are 100% legit.
She's earned the right to get her @$$ kicked just like the rest of them.
What grade level is she?
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Post by Coach.A on Sept 3, 2015 21:20:47 GMT -6
She's in grade 11
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Post by dubber on Sept 3, 2015 21:21:33 GMT -6
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Post by Coach.A on Sept 3, 2015 21:26:51 GMT -6
She's earned the right to get her @$$ kicked just like the rest of them.
What grade level is she?
Agree with this, BUT it is also my responsibility to not put her in a situation where her safety is compromised. I'd guess she's 5'6, 165 pounds. Can't do a push up, ran a 7 second forty.
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Post by 42falcon on Sept 3, 2015 22:02:43 GMT -6
I have boys like this on our team.
I will say this read a great line on here once saying "there's a game for every kid" You will play a team that at some point puts a kid just as {censored} as her out there that's when it's safe for her to be out there!
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Post by fantom on Sept 3, 2015 22:14:13 GMT -6
She's earned the right to get her @$$ kicked just like the rest of them.
What grade level is she?
Agree with this, BUT it is also my responsibility to not put her in a situation where her safety is compromised. I'd guess she's 5'6, 165 pounds. Can't do a push up, ran a 7 second forty. If you don't usually cut but cut her you're letting yourself in for a ration of shyt. Make her a kicker and work with her just like any other kickers.
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Post by spartan on Sept 3, 2015 22:24:45 GMT -6
Hit till someone quits.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Sept 3, 2015 23:12:32 GMT -6
I am coaching my 3rd girl in 11 years...
First time she is a kicker... last 2 were DB/WR types...
Nothing changes from my end...
She is a frosh on the frosh team and is competing to be the kicker - has a private kicking coach...
If she is the best kicker she will kick. Period.
Other 2 girls played, got hit, and earned respect...
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Post by Coach.A on Sept 3, 2015 23:31:29 GMT -6
I'm not going to cut her.
We've never had a player who just kicked...plus she knows she's not a kicker. We do not two platoon...we ask every player to learn an offensive and defensive position. I had her on the line because it is the only position that remotely fits her skill set. That might not be the best decision though.
It's great that many of you have coached girls in the past...but have any of you coached a female who played on the line at the varsity level? I know it's been done...I think I read that Holley Mangold was the only female to ever play on the line at the varsity level in Ohio. This girl is nowhere near Mangold's size or level of athleticism though. Like I said earlier, she'd be at the bottom of the depth chart on the freshman team.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 4, 2015 5:44:26 GMT -6
I have a roster of 31, we regularly play 16 or so, 3-4 more squeeze in somewhere. She would join the rest of the fruit eaters on the sideline yelling "go ducks" besides finding her a place to change, what's the difference between her and 90% of the coaches sons?
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Post by utchuckd on Sept 4, 2015 5:52:09 GMT -6
We had a girl come out when I was at the high school. We treated her like every other player, eventually she got trucked by our top RB in a 1 on 1 drill. Didn't see her again. We didn't specifically tell anybody to run her off, but we didn't tell anybody to take it easy either. If she'd stayed after that hit she deserved to watch from the sidelines with the rest of the 'not ready for a game' level players.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 6:27:27 GMT -6
you need to get her parents to sign a waiver. She and her parents, like every other should be responsible, and intelligent enough to know the risk inherent in playing tackle football. The minute we start making exceptions for anybody, football is finished, at least tackle, and the money making that it is right now.
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Post by natenator on Sept 4, 2015 6:32:00 GMT -6
you need to get her parents to sign a waiver. She and her parents, like every other should be responsible, and intelligent enough to know the risk inherent in playing tackle football. The minute we start making exceptions for anybody, football is finished, at least tackle, and the money making that it is right now. Do you do that for the boys?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 6:39:44 GMT -6
We do not, but I have expressed that opinion more than once and not so eloquently. In this environment should be forced to sign a waiver. And for the sake of everybody every practice, contact session should be filmed. And not because of the coaches or the coaching, but because there are way to many people who feed off making good people i.e coaches, look like A-holes.
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Post by natenator on Sept 4, 2015 6:52:33 GMT -6
We do not, but I have expressed that opinion more than once and not so eloquently. In this environment should be forced to sign a waiver. And for the sake of everybody every practice, contact session should be filmed. And not because of the coaches or the coaching, but because there are way to many people who feed off making good people i.e coaches, look like A-holes. If you don't subject similar males to what you are proposing with the females then you are asking for a world of trouble. And, it's wrong to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 6:57:19 GMT -6
We do not, but I have expressed that opinion more than once and not so eloquently. In this environment should be forced to sign a waiver. And for the sake of everybody every practice, contact session should be filmed. And not because of the coaches or the coaching, but because there are way to many people who feed off making good people i.e coaches, look like A-holes. If you don't subject similar males to what you are proposing with the females then you are asking for a world of trouble. And, it's wrong to do so. I am in favor of making everybody, boy and girl, sign a waiver and every level. I am all for girls coming out, but not without some protection for the coaches, the school system, or the game of football. And imo, if we are going to continue down this road of pleasing everybody at every turn, just shut it (football, athletics) all down right now. ALL OF IT.
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Post by Wingtman on Sept 4, 2015 7:37:24 GMT -6
You treat her like everyone else. Period. Anything less opens you, and the district to a lawyer looking to make a name for himself. Give her a place to change, monitor the situation, and evaluate her like everyone else.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 4, 2015 9:19:08 GMT -6
If you don't subject similar males to what you are proposing with the females then you are asking for a world of trouble. And, it's wrong to do so. I am all for girls coming out, but not without some protection for the coaches, the school system, or the game of football.
that statement... i just really hope im taking it out of context, but....wow
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Post by 33coach on Sept 4, 2015 9:31:54 GMT -6
im not big on the "this is a mans sport" deal...call me whatever you like, but kids are kids. and if there is one more kid who wants to play football - i dont care whether its a boy, girl or both...i really could care less about what gender they are.
we have to face a reality that our sport is dieing, enrollment numbers in football are down at every level except NCAA/PRO....so we really shouldnt be choosy, and its not our place to be. coach kids
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 4, 2015 10:13:30 GMT -6
Probably should move her off the line though. Let her go to receiver and stalk block here and there and drop some passes. At least then you can put her on one side and throw or run the other way.
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Post by blb on Sept 4, 2015 10:30:36 GMT -6
If she can't protect herself you should talk to her, parents, and AD about it. Offer her chance to be manager, statistician, videographer, etc. if she still wants to be part of program.
That's not a gender issue. I had to do that with a boy once.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 4, 2015 10:43:01 GMT -6
I'm not going to cut her. We've never had a player who just kicked...plus she knows she's not a kicker. We do not two platoon...we ask every player to learn an offensive and defensive position. I had her on the line because it is the only position that remotely fits her skill set. That might not be the best decision though. It's great that many of you have coached girls in the past...but have any of you coached a female who played on the line at the varsity level? I know it's been done...I think I read that Holley Mangold was the only female to ever play on the line at the varsity level in Ohio. This girl is nowhere near Mangold's size or level of athleticism though. Like I said earlier, she'd be at the bottom of the depth chart on the freshman team. I have. Girl was smaller than yours and played guard for us. Never saw playing time in a non running clock game, but she was in there every day doing the drills. Wasn't a big deal. She is far from the worst athlete I've ever had play line and she was bad. Frankly, you just sound like you're trying to justify being a sexist dick.
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