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Post by tog on Jan 16, 2006 11:21:27 GMT -6
anyone else sick of Peyton Manning?
All the little pained expressions every time something doesn't go his way?
Sending off the punt team? WTF was that?
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Post by lochness on Jan 16, 2006 11:48:29 GMT -6
I can't tell you how happy I was to see them stink the place up in the "big game" yet again. I'm not a big Steeler's fan either by any means, but I'll take Pittsburgh's style of football over Indy any day of the week.
And yes, I'm horribly sick of Manning.
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Post by brophy on Jan 16, 2006 12:13:01 GMT -6
I have a general distain for quarterbacks. period.
At a young age, I was kidnapped and abused by a ravaging band of renegade quarterbacks. From that day on, I vowed my life to serve the purpose of harassing and frustrating their evil kind.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 16, 2006 12:19:27 GMT -6
It does get a little tiresome watching him. Now that the Bears are eliminated I will pull for Bettis and Cowher.
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Post by airman on Jan 16, 2006 12:26:36 GMT -6
anyone else sick of Peyton Manning? All the little pained expressions every time something doesn't go his way? Sending off the punt team? WTF was that? it is called trying to win. it is good tony dungy does not have a huge ego or there would have been a clash. peyton knew they needed to score and he went out and did it. I will take peyton on my team any time. is it his fault the colts cannot pickup the 4 weak blitz.? should the coaches not make some adjustment? the steelers did not do anything that magical. they brought 4 weak(be it alber or db) and the colts man protection did not pick it up. it was not until they went to a 2x1 set with splitbacks were they able to get something going. steeler ball is okay if you do not want any star players. no great wr worth is weight is going to stay in pitt because he knows they are not going to throw the ball but 15 to 20 times and there coach is a good coach but he can never seem to win the big game. i was impressed with bil cowher. he went for it on 4th down twice. i mean that is so uncharacteristic of him. he is a by the book kind of guy. play the percentages always kid of coach. he reminds me of a coach who would run the wishbone but not the triple option because the pitch would be to risky for him. |
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Post by airman on Jan 16, 2006 12:29:08 GMT -6
I have a general distain for quarterbacks. period. At a young age, I was kidnapped and abused by a ravaging band of renegade quarterbacks. From that day on, I vowed my life to serve the purpose of harassing and frustrating their evil kind. could you share your magic? I mean it must be interesting how you win without a qb. please do tell. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 16, 2006 12:32:22 GMT -6
could you share your magic? I mean it must be interesting how you win without a qb. please do tell. we have running backs that take the snap and occassionally throw it......  |
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Post by airman on Jan 16, 2006 12:33:22 GMT -6
could you share your magic? I mean it must be interesting how you win without a qb. please do tell. we have running backs that take the snap and occassionally throw it...... must be a double winger. |
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Post by tog on Jan 16, 2006 12:44:58 GMT -6
not questioning his ability I have never liked the pout/whiney/bitch about things looks he gives all the time when things aren't going his way.  just bad body language all the time as the so called "leader" of his team    |
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Post by DLine06 on Jan 16, 2006 12:46:44 GMT -6
On regards to Peyton...
I agree with Peyton on the fact that he decided to send the punt team back off the field and put the game in his hands. As much free reign as he gets in his offense, I would expect him to step up as a leader.
The thing about having problems in pass protection. Looking at the protection, at least half of the sacks game from the inside. You have no chance of a completeion when a Noseguard gets an inside release to the QB. The other half of the sacks came from the 4 weak blitz. Clearly there was an overload and the line couldn't protect it. I was shocked that they didn't go more max protection and try to block Polamaru as well as Porter off the weaksde edge.
In all Colts have a Tech Offense in the passing game. If you can't get the passing game started early, you won't be dominant.
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Post by los on Jan 16, 2006 13:02:58 GMT -6
anyone else sick of Peyton Manning? All the little pained expressions every time something doesn't go his way? Sending off the punt team? WTF was that? it is called trying to win. it is good tony dungy does not have a huge ego or there would have been a clash. peyton knew they needed to score and he went out and did it. I will take peyton on my team any time. is it his fault the colts cannot pickup the 4 weak blitz.? should the coaches not make some adjustment? the steelers did not do anything that magical. they brought 4 weak(be it alber or db) and the colts man protection did not pick it up. it was not until they went to a 2x1 set with splitbacks were they able to get something going. steeler ball is okay if you do not want any star players. no great wr worth is weight is going to stay in pitt because he knows they are not going to throw the ball but 15 to 20 times and there coach is a good coach but he can never seem to win the big game. Swann, Stallworth, Randle-El, the kid from UGA. #86? These guys are real good! How about just plain old hall of fame players from the Steelers, rather than "star" players? i was impressed with bil cowher. he went for it on 4th down twice. i mean that is so uncharacteristic of him. he is a by the book kind of guy. play the percentages always kid of coach. he reminds me of a coach who would run the wishbone but not the triple option because the pitch would be to risky for him. |
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Post by los on Jan 16, 2006 13:06:56 GMT -6
Dang, I need to learn how to do this quote thing! Mines the next to the bottom paragraph, Sorry!
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Post by brophy on Jan 16, 2006 13:12:12 GMT -6
I think it is easy to criticize, but some people wear the emotions on the outside and some keep their emotions inside. He just happens to express his emotions can't fault him for that. Just like some people handle defeat different than others. He is a heck of a QB and competitor. kw that's the most important point. If you're sick of Manning, it's probably because of seeing him in one of the 20 different commercials he's in. I've seen some quarterbacks laugh off bad performances and some people would interpret it as not taking the game seriously enough. I don't know if you can win the "pc" argument on body language. Peyton is a heck of a QB, though. |
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 16, 2006 13:16:23 GMT -6
here's what i'm sick of ......... "he can't win the big one so he's not that great!!!" give me a break. this is a freakin' team game. don't see anyone booting marino out of the hall. nobody's screaming for trent dilfer or doug williams to be put into it either (although williams had some great years). mack brown on january 3rd, 2006 and mack brown on january 4th, 2006. so NOW he's a great coach?  media, media, media. gott'a have something to talk about on sportscenter & talk radio i guess |
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Post by airman on Jan 16, 2006 13:19:50 GMT -6
Dang, I need to learn how to do this quote thing! Mines the next to the bottom paragraph, Sorry! the steelers number one rec, would be most teams number two rec. randle el would be a teams 3wr. they drafted plaxico burress and the fan ran him out of town. now look at him, he is doing well with a offense which gets him the ball. I admitt, plaxico is not the kind of rec who is going to want to block 45 times agame either. still when you have talent, get the guy the ball. steeltown might change though, wisenhunt is looking to move. maybe they could gte mularky back. they had a much more open offense and were fairly successful with mularky. hines ward had his best years under him. |
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Post by airman on Jan 16, 2006 13:21:46 GMT -6
On regards to Peyton... I agree with Peyton on the fact that he decided to send the punt team back off the field and put the game in his hands. As much free reign as he gets in his offense, I would expect him to step up as a leader. The thing about having problems in pass protection. Looking at the protection, at least half of the sacks game from the inside. You have no chance of a completeion when a Noseguard gets an inside release to the QB. The other half of the sacks came from the 4 weak blitz. Clearly there was an overload and the line couldn't protect it. I was shocked that they didn't go more max protection and try to block Polamaru as well as Porter off the weaksde edge. In all Colts have a Tech Offense in the passing game. If you can't get the passing game started early, you won't be dominant. the colts passing game does not resemble what tech does at all. the only thing they have incommon is the both will throw the ball. mike leaches offense would not work in the nfl, I will even admitt that. the colts want to establish the run and the run pocket playaction or boot cup action. |
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Post by los on Jan 16, 2006 13:22:27 GMT -6
Its a difference in offensive philosophy, either let your QB win games for you or if he's not very good just let him hand off and throw safe passes and not lose the game! (The latter would require excellent defense and a good running game to get very far in the NFL(IMO) examples would be King at Tampa Bay and maybe the Giants when Hostettler was QB?) I think Peyton M. is just going thru the J. Elway syndrome right now! He's real good but sometimes you have a hard time pulling for him cause he's had so much success at an early stage in his career???
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Post by los on Jan 16, 2006 13:26:10 GMT -6
Hey Thanks, Airman (Hines Ward) I should remember him since I live in Ga. ? |
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 16, 2006 13:26:53 GMT -6
pretty sure none of us on here know manning all that well so doubt we could give an accurate account of the type of individual he is, teammate, etc. however, from what i've seen, he seems like a stand-up guy to me. a guy i would gladly have on my team as both a teammate and a player.
sick of him? nah.... bigger fish to fry than his mannerisms on the sideline. i mean, you want a guy that gets into THE GAME or a guy that gets into HIMSELF (read: chad johnson, T. O., many others, etc.)?
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Post by airman on Jan 16, 2006 13:31:15 GMT -6
here's what i'm sick of ......... "he can't win the big one so he's not that great!!!" give me a break. this is a freakin' team game. don't see anyone booting marino out of the hall. nobody's screaming for trent dilfer or doug williams to be put into it either (although williams had some great years). mack brown on january 3rd, 2006 and mack brown on january 4th, 2006. so NOW he's a great coach? media, media, media. gott'a have something to talk about on sportscenter & talk radio i guess i guess the same could be said for vince young in a way. if he has a so so game, the goes back to texas, he had a great game, he is now turning pro. I am wondering if the media did not get to his head. here is what i see happening to him, he is gettng hyped as the greatest think since sliced bread. now we all know bad teams draft first. I just think he is going to get thrown to the dogs and that is not going to be good for him. maybe if the titans can draft him, let him sit a year or two while mcnare finishes his career. carson palmer admitted the bets thing which happened is he got to sid that first year. |
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Post by dgs on Jan 16, 2006 13:31:45 GMT -6
I respect Peyton quite a bit. I do have a problem with him publicly criticizing his blocking protection. It was true, but to me it is wrong to publicly complain about your teammates.
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Post by airman on Jan 16, 2006 13:34:00 GMT -6
Its a difference in offensive philosophy, either let your QB win games for you or if he's not very good just let him hand off and throw safe passes and not lose the game! (The latter would require excellent defense and a good running game to get very far in the NFL(IMO) examples would be King at Tampa Bay and maybe the Giants when Hostettler was QB?) I think Peyton M. is just going thru the J. Elway syndrome right now! He's real good but sometimes you have a hard time pulling for him cause he's had so much success at an early stage in his career??? sometimes you have to play not to lose. that is what cowher does and that is why he is a defensive coach. they tv talking heads said it best, bill cowher knows how to sit on a lead better then anyone else in the nfl. |
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Post by los on Jan 16, 2006 13:45:57 GMT -6
I was really thinking about you and Brophy's earlier post's about QB's in general, Airman! Since I've never had any really great QB's, I would have to go with the more conservative game plan- "Just don't lose the game for us please!"
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Post by saintrad on Jan 16, 2006 14:48:05 GMT -6
GO SEAHAWKS!!!!
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Post by brophy on Jan 16, 2006 15:07:09 GMT -6
take your pick, tog.... I mean would you rather have your QB's face look like this  or this?  |
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Post by airman on Jan 16, 2006 16:03:31 GMT -6
I was really thinking about you and Brophy's earlier post's about QB's in general, Airman! Since I've never had any really great QB's, I would have to go with the more conservative game plan- "Just don't lose the game for us please!" qb is like any other position, they are developed. if you do not want to develop qbs, the run some thing like the double win. I understand a lot of coaches do not want to take the time nor do they want to keep their ego incheck. when you throw the ball, you have lost total control of the game. you are not incharge. sure you can tell them what pass to throw, but they have to throw it. see I think you have already lost when you tell a qb to just do not lose the game for you. if you want to use this line of thinking, they you better take the ball out of his hands and give it to other guys on the team. the problem with this line of thought is, you are always playing 10 on 11 football. if you do not use your qb as a thrower or runner you are always playing a man down. the defense is always on the power play and you are on the penality kill. had the steelers come out and tried to run the ball and do what they do, they would have lost that game. instead they put the ball in big bens hands and said win the game for us. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 16, 2006 16:16:35 GMT -6
if you do not want to develop qbs, the run some thing like the double win. |
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Post by airman on Jan 16, 2006 16:19:09 GMT -6
if you do not want to develop qbs, the run some thing like the double win. brophy, I take it you are a double winnger? ? double winngers are cult like. they do not want to let anyone in unless you swear to run the double wing. I would run the double wing but I have too much respect for myself and I would have to take my teams talent notch down several. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 16, 2006 16:31:59 GMT -6
flex bone. (Veer,Zone & Jets)
but talking 'like that' would be disrespectful to others who have different philosophies....
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Post by los on Jan 16, 2006 16:48:38 GMT -6
Never ran the DBL. Wing Airman, mostly" I" stuff, and the QB does participate, he runs and he throws playaction passes and he has to block , but he's just 1 of 11 players to me. I don't really want one "great skill player" to carry my offense! Too easy to defend!
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