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Post by biggerblue on Dec 12, 2007 21:00:34 GMT -6
Honestly how low of a person do you have to be to do that to a team.....
there was 3 games left........
i would seriously feel bitch slapped rite now if i were any falcons member
what a doushe bag.....how do you just leave a team in the middle of the night......
then go to arkansas............ such an ideot
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 12, 2007 21:06:16 GMT -6
question--- you decide that you want the ARK job, and not the ATL job...when do you go?
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Post by k on Dec 12, 2007 21:30:11 GMT -6
question --- story broke late monday evening...it's wednesday....did you not see the other three threads on Petrino on this page? answer -- the Atlanta fan board is Exit Stage Left question -- why hasn't this been deleted? I'm not an Atlanta fan and I feel he abandoned his guys. But then again loyalty means a lot to me and that isn't necessarily true for everyone...
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 12, 2007 22:15:08 GMT -6
i won't take a "stance" on this issue ... but, let's consider a few things and discuss:
1) would staying as a lame-duck coach been a good thing for the atlanta falcons? from all indications his relationship with them was strained at best so would him holding the "dual" job of coaching the falcons while recruiting for arkansas be good for anyone in the falcon organization? would the players respond to him at all knowing he was out in 3 weeks?
2) was he allowed to stay at atlanta or did management decide for him? (i.e. see above)
3) was arkansas willing to hire him and still allow him to finish out the season with atlanta? if not, then should he decline the job and continue to coach with atlanta. would that hinder him in the future from landing a job after he was eventually let go by the falcons organization down the road?
4) is there a "proper" way to handle this so that "everyone wins"?? --- probably doing some type of dual role thing. but, was this an option based on what had been happening within the organization/locker room in the past 13 weeks?
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Post by los on Dec 12, 2007 22:41:44 GMT -6
#1.- I thought the guy was really "brave" or "something" to take the pro job, in the 1st place(especially that job) ? #2.- We didn't go to work with him every day, so have no idea what he was dealing with? #3.- The only good way to leave "that" job, where most everyone would have been happy = maybe right after you "won" the Super Bowl... other than that... somebodys gonna hate your guts whatever you do?
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Post by Yash on Dec 13, 2007 12:31:57 GMT -6
I don't think that he was wrong for leaving if he had the wrong job. But I think he went about it the wrong way. He told Blank that he was staying, then left with no notice, and left a letter for the players. Just a letter, no personal addressing them just a letter. I think if Nick Saban would have left last year before the season was over he would have gotten a lot less grief than when he kept publicly denying that he was taking the job.
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Post by airman on Dec 13, 2007 12:38:55 GMT -6
I struggle with this. the captin should go down with the ship. however there is a point where every may for himself.
maybe mr blank should not have fired the previous coach.
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Post by djwesp on Dec 13, 2007 12:40:09 GMT -6
then go to arkansas............ such an ideotQuote of the scenturee.
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Post by gunslinger on Dec 13, 2007 12:59:18 GMT -6
XXX
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Post by thunder17 on Dec 13, 2007 13:12:42 GMT -6
The issue I have is leaving a note for the players on their lockers! From what I have seen and read from the players on the falcons this is the thing that also upset them the most. Doesn't sound like they were a tight group to begin with, but you still have to meet as a team and explain your decision. I would have had a much tougher time than he did talking about "family" and "committment" at the Arkansas press conference. Arkansas should be praying that Michigan finds a coach, and fast.
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Dec 13, 2007 13:57:13 GMT -6
I live in Arkansas, and am an Arkansas alum. I am not going to sit here and say what he did was right. It was pretty low and cowardly.
I will say that it sounds like he had a rough time in ATL. Players who didn't respect him (sounds like he didn't do much to earn it), etc.
But what if he stayed until the end of the year, and was fired? What would they be saying then? "This is the right decision?" "He's not cut out for pro ball?"
With that said, I am ecstatic that he's at Arkansas. I don't expect him to stick around or very long, maybe a few seasons at the most, but I am going to enjoy it while he is here.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 13, 2007 14:41:43 GMT -6
Know what irks me? none of us has all of the facts...none of us knows all of the inside scoop on how coach was treated, what he was promised etc.
Then there are these players...how many of these players that are criticizing him didnt finish their college careers for the schools that promised them a free education?! too many hypocrits.
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Post by saintrad on Dec 13, 2007 14:47:35 GMT -6
Know what irks me? none of us has all of the facts...none of us knows all of the inside scoop on how coach was treated, what he was promised etc. Then there are these players...how many of these players that are criticizing him didnt finish their college careers for the schools that promised them a free education?! too many hypocrits. amen.
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Post by stud17 on Dec 13, 2007 15:16:28 GMT -6
I don't see a problem with him leaving as he does have to look out for himself and what's in his best interest to some extent. But I do have a problem with the way he left, without notifying the players he was leaving except for writing them a simple not.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 13, 2007 18:18:48 GMT -6
have to wonder if he knew some players wanted him out
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Post by thunder17 on Dec 13, 2007 18:57:35 GMT -6
what he was promised etc.
He was promised millions of dollars to do his job. As has been said over and over, why he left only he knows and and I am sure he can live with that choice but leaving a note to his players is chicken &*^%.
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Post by dlsmith99320 on Dec 13, 2007 21:09:37 GMT -6
He was dealing with tremendous pressure from the media ( Vick ,dog fighting) Players not respecting him professionally and speaking out publicly about it. And he had a brother on the Falcons squad that was a coach too , after deliberating his brother left as well on good terms, was it the best way to go out? Probably not, he was most likely frustrated with the way things were and believe me I feel that the whole Vick fiasco would make any of us shudder in our shorts to figure out how to save the ship. He was a college coach to begin with and is most likely comfortable there and has the respect of the School, Coaches and players at Arkansas, what if he finished out the season, got fired and then did not get the coaching job at Arkansas? There is no way to know what really went through his mind I just feel bad for the Atlanta team with all the have went through this year and then losing their coach. We all have our own egos and ideas of how we would act but until you walk in his shoes...
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Post by gregodagr8 on Dec 15, 2007 10:27:19 GMT -6
Let's look at the important part of this issue....HE QUIT on his team....Are you telling me that Arkansas was his ULTIMATE dream job that he had to have? He was making over 5 million a year....He could have waited 3 more weeks and did it properly....What does that say if your a college player being recruited by him? Now I am a realist and I understand most kids won't care and will still go to Arkansas especially the homegrown kids BUT what about the few big name players who will be turned away by him....I guarantee you this guy WON'T be there 4 years from now and is just waiting for his next BIGGER job....Somewhere along the way a coach needs to do the right thing....
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 15, 2007 11:52:12 GMT -6
gregodagr8-
I would argue that the fact that "he quit on his team' is not the important part of the issue. For evidence, lets change some of the variables, but keep the result that claim is the most important issue.
ATL is 9-3 has division wrapped up and is fighting for home field advantage in the NFC. Blank hears from Jerry Jones that ARK has been talking to Petrino's agent--Blank questions petrino before the MNF game..and Petrino says "Yes, coach..they have been feeling me out. I am not really happy here, and I think I made a mistake. I didnt want to let you know earlier, because I hadn't talked it over with my family, but I will have a decision tomorrow for you." The falcon's win the game, move on to 10-3 but Petrino still wants to leave.
he has a players meeting, tells them he made a mistake, Apologies publicly to the team, the owner and the community, but that he wanted to go back to college football, regardless of the pay cut? Wishes them the best of luck, then flies to ARK for a press conference.
Would ATL's players reactions had been the same? The publics?
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Post by crl on Dec 15, 2007 16:57:12 GMT -6
Hey he jumped ship before the other rats...not in a class way, but he was going to be a goner, if not this season next. He is a College guy, and as skilled as he is he is not of NFL quality or that kinda animal. Lets look at the big pic in Atlanta. 1. He was brought there to make Vick run the Gun ala college and Louisville way. Blank was tired of Vick not so good study and work ethic...gee I wonder if it was the dope and him being a scum bag. Firstly Wrong...that Offense don´t fly with the talent, speed and brains in the NFL...College Out of the starting 22 you have 3 maybe that are pro material, that is they can play at that level...maybe one will be a star. Plus getting wacked by those people on a QB body he don´t really last so long. 2. Petrino had to fill big shoes of a players Coach. Mora was loved...not easy. Plus the NFL players are not college boys, can´t hold stuff over their heads...if they are good, they will speak with the owner and he will speak with the coach... 3. These guys really don´t want to win, talent there but the chemstry is all wacko...you need a fixer upper coach that knows the NFL ways. Like Marty Schott. 4. Vick was never the answer he was the excuse for this club not paying at the level, he is great but he is no NFL QB.
Blank needs to clean house, get rid of the attitude players, bring in freash draft picks and trades, find a Vet QB and try to get Colt from Hawaii. Two good seasons and their in the play-offs. Petrino leaving is a blessing, let see who he hires. As for Hogs...hey you did good, Petrino will be there a long time.
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Post by gregodagr8 on Dec 15, 2007 21:02:06 GMT -6
Let me make this easy 4 you (HE QUIT) He didn't resign at the end of the season (regardless of record) He simply quit. When the going got tough he boarded the life boat faster than the bad guy on the movie TITANIC! If he chose to step down at the end of the season and said it wasn't 4 him (whatever his record winning or losing) I would have understood BUT as coaches we've all been through TOUGH times and the majority of us have never quit. I would stand on the BOW of the ship as it was going under if it was me for my team, but thats just me.
Now I believe the next head coach of the Falcons is going to be Marty Schottenheimer so don't believe the Bill Cowher rumors.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 15, 2007 21:07:52 GMT -6
Greg---so you can't answer the question then?
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Post by gregodagr8 on Dec 15, 2007 21:35:16 GMT -6
Sorry I forgot when I got on a roll with my little rant....I apologize....I think the reaction would be same....Actually probably 50/50 at that point....Your right the majority of the players probably wouldn't be as outspoken....So your right with that i will admit....But it's still wrong....I believe
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 15, 2007 21:46:21 GMT -6
greg- actually, i don't think anyone would be as outspoken and the reaction would be different. That was my point...the issue isn't that he quit..it was the actions (lying to Blank, Writing a letter, leading the Ark Soooeeey pig cheer) and circumstances (lousy season, players challenging him in public, the Vick debacle) that is the issue.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 16, 2007 5:59:45 GMT -6
I would love to see Marty ball again.
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Post by phantom on Dec 16, 2007 11:23:57 GMT -6
question--- you decide that you want the ARK job, and not the ATL job...when do you go? College coaching and pro coaching are very different jobs. If a guy decides to go back to college and waits until after the season that's only a couple of weeks before signing day. Staying in ATL could screw ARK for years. ATL is 3-10. If Petrino stays, how much can he help them?
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Post by coachcb on Dec 16, 2007 11:53:36 GMT -6
Look at it is this way; Paul Johnson chose to completely remove himself from Navy after hired at Ga Tech. He won't be on the sidelines for their bowl game and is getting himself established at Ga Tech. Does that put him in the same boat as Pertrino? I haven't heard anyone calling him a quitter.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 16, 2007 13:42:42 GMT -6
QUESTION---regarding the media and media relations in this. Am I the only one who has noticed that all of the PROFESSIONAL talking heads have not passed up any opportunity to take a shot at Petrino, yet I have not heard ONE PEEP from Corso, or Herbstreit, or Musberger or any of the other COLLEGIATE talking heads.
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Post by 1whoknows on Dec 16, 2007 13:52:19 GMT -6
The bottom line he did the same thing when he left Louisvile. He did not even address the team. The assistant coaches did. Also, NOBODY care for him at Louisville. The players always said they played for each other not him.
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Post by biggerblue on Dec 16, 2007 15:02:10 GMT -6
I think mike singletary could be the next head coach..
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