|
Post by realdawg on Jul 14, 2014 3:17:16 GMT -6
Graduated in 97. Our offseason was "hey you guys better come up here and lift and run!" So when we felt like it, we would go up to the school and lift and run on our own with no supervision. We did have 2 and sometimes 3 a-days. We ran the wishbone including option, double dive, power, iso, and toss. And finally, we were still taught to block by throwing flippers. School never had a losing record until 2 years after I graduated.
|
|
|
Post by blb on Jul 14, 2014 5:45:38 GMT -6
When I played (yes, back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth) we had one week of Pre-Season practice, then school started (day after Labor Day). First game was second Friday after Labor Day.
By the time I became a head coach (1979) we had instituted playoffs (three rounds) and schedule was moved up one week.
Now playoffs are five rounds including championship games, and practice this year starts August 11 (three weeks before Labor Day-start of school). First game is August 28.
Some years depending on calendar we play two games before school starts.
So not only are we asking kids basically to give up August to play, we're asking more of them before that, too.
Not to mention coaches.
|
|
|
Post by the1mitch on Jul 14, 2014 7:33:36 GMT -6
74 was only 40 years ago! Graduated in HS in 1973. Biggest thing is complexity on both sides of the ball. We ask kids and coaches to do and know so much more than back then In college watched my first film of an opponent. Told the coach after 6th play that I could tell which way they were going and he said "no its not to the tight end side it just looks that way". I said check out which way the QB looks when he gets up to the line. Run or pass he always looks away from the play first. That's how I knew I was gonna be a coach.
|
|
|
Post by vinmasci on Jul 14, 2014 8:43:40 GMT -6
Graduated HS in '79. We did absolutely no football over the summer. Workouts consisted of two of my friends in my basement doing bench press and curls. Yes we called that a workout, imagine that? Shook hands and said goodbye to the coach on the last day of school and asked what day football started. When he said August 27th we all said see you then Coach. I tell my players all the time how much respect I have for them for all the sacrifice and commitment they display over the summer. It is truly a different high school football world!!!
|
|
|
Post by larrymoe on Jul 14, 2014 12:23:32 GMT -6
I played back in the 80's. We actually played on grass fields if you can believe it! No turf! If the weather was bad we went into our "Indoor Facility" which was and old gym from where the high school burned down in the 50's. Had to flush the birds out first though. I guess the main differences these days are equipment and video. We watched video on VCR's (that's a video cassette recorder for you young guys), and the equipment looked like something you might get from a Sears catalog( a catalog is a magazine with all of the products a store sold). We will be playing our first game on turf this year in the 16 years I've been coaching HS football.
|
|
|
Post by John Knight on Jul 14, 2014 20:11:07 GMT -6
My high school off season workouts consisted of baling hay back when that meant moving 75-90# bales of hay many, many times. By the time the day was done you might have gotten 1000 reps. It made you a pretty stout young man.
|
|
|
Post by blb on Jul 15, 2014 5:10:19 GMT -6
Friend of mine said they didn't play on a grass field or against an UC team until Week 13 last year.
|
|
|
Post by utchuckd on Jul 15, 2014 7:28:06 GMT -6
Randall 'Pink' Floyd would've never made it in today's football.
|
|
|
Post by dubber on Jul 15, 2014 8:41:55 GMT -6
Do you really want to play 7-on-7 versus these guys?
Your kids would get crippled on a crossing route.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 13:41:46 GMT -6
My high school off season workouts consisted of baling hay back when that meant moving 75-90# bales of hay many, many times. By the time the day was done you might have gotten 1000 reps. It made you a pretty stout young man. Sounds like mine. Forget having a nice weightroom. Any school who's serious about football should invest in the biggest hayfield they can find and make the players work it. Maybe even contract kids out to local farmers for a "bale-a-thon." Heck, you could sell the hay and it would all pay for itself eventually, right Seriously though, I graduated way back in '98. Our offseason was either taking the lifting class during school or showing up on MWF after school to lift and then run some sprints or laps or maybe "wrestle" or do box jumps in the locker room if it was cold or raining. We had an old school bodybuilding pyramid workout with high numbers of reps and sets that would leave you dead before you got to the heavy stuff. Once school got out, we'd lift 3 days a week in June and most of July, show up the last 2 weeks of July for 2 a days, and that was it. When 2 days were done, we'd practice for around 3-3.5 hours a day with a lot of emphasis on running laps, gassers, and 100 yard sprints for conditioning. We were always in full pads and always had a water horse there for water breaks. Our first games in those days were typically the week before school started. We'd get a "bye week," which was always set for the final week so we'd get extra time to prepare for the playoffs if we got in. My senior year we got a new coach and did the same basic outline, but we changed the workouts to lower reps and higher weights, which led to huge gains. Then we had spring practice for 2 weeks with a scrimmage and concluded with an intra-squad scrimmage in front of the whole school as a fundraiser. Our coaches bought a bunch of this newfangled miracle suppliment called "creatine" in bulk and sold it to us. Practices got much shorter with a lot less "conditioning," which was for the best--we'd do shells and install the game plan on Mon., full pads on Tues. and Wed., and shorts on Thurs. We had our best season ever that year. We never went to a camp or even talked about it. It confused me when I heard people from other schools talking about them. We also never once played on a turf field. They're still pretty rare around here, but some of the richer districts (or the districts where teams share the same field) have them now. I never even heard of a 7 on 7 or offseason OTAs until I got into coaching.
|
|
|
Post by dubber on Jul 16, 2014 9:12:38 GMT -6
My high school off season workouts consisted of baling hay back when that meant moving 75-90# bales of hay many, many times. By the time the day was done you might have gotten 1000 reps. It made you a pretty stout young man. Sounds like mine. Forget having a nice weightroom. Any school who's serious about football should invest in the biggest hayfield they can find and make the players work it. Maybe even contract kids out to local farmers for a "bale-a-thon." Heck, you could sell the hay and it would all pay for itself eventually, right Seriously though, I graduated way back in '98. Our offseason was either taking the lifting class during school or showing up on MWF after school to lift and then run some sprints or laps or maybe "wrestle" or do box jumps in the locker room if it was cold or raining. We had an old school bodybuilding pyramid workout with high numbers of reps and sets that would leave you dead before you got to the heavy stuff. Once school got out, we'd lift 3 days a week in June and most of July, show up the last 2 weeks of July for 2 a days, and that was it. When 2 days were done, we'd practice for around 3-3.5 hours a day with a lot of emphasis on running laps, gassers, and 100 yard sprints for conditioning. We were always in full pads and always had a water horse there for water breaks. Our first games in those days were typically the week before school started. We'd get a "bye week," which was always set for the final week so we'd get extra time to prepare for the playoffs if we got in. My senior year we got a new coach and did the same basic outline, but we changed the workouts to lower reps and higher weights, which led to huge gains. Then we had spring practice for 2 weeks with a scrimmage and concluded with an intra-squad scrimmage in front of the whole school as a fundraiser. Our coaches bought a bunch of this newfangled miracle suppliment called "creatine" in bulk and sold it to us. Practices got much shorter with a lot less "conditioning," which was for the best--we'd do shells and install the game plan on Mon., full pads on Tues. and Wed., and shorts on Thurs. We had our best season ever that year. We never went to a camp or even talked about it. It confused me when I heard people from other schools talking about them. We also never once played on a turf field. They're still pretty rare around here, but some of the richer districts (or the districts where teams share the same field) have them now. I never even heard of a 7 on 7 or offseason OTAs until I got into coaching. Selling creatine to players.........wow
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Jul 16, 2014 9:21:09 GMT -6
Sounds like mine. Forget having a nice weightroom. Any school who's serious about football should invest in the biggest hayfield they can find and make the players work it. Maybe even contract kids out to local farmers for a "bale-a-thon." Heck, you could sell the hay and it would all pay for itself eventually, right Seriously though, I graduated way back in '98. Our offseason was either taking the lifting class during school or showing up on MWF after school to lift and then run some sprints or laps or maybe "wrestle" or do box jumps in the locker room if it was cold or raining. We had an old school bodybuilding pyramid workout with high numbers of reps and sets that would leave you dead before you got to the heavy stuff. Once school got out, we'd lift 3 days a week in June and most of July, show up the last 2 weeks of July for 2 a days, and that was it. When 2 days were done, we'd practice for around 3-3.5 hours a day with a lot of emphasis on running laps, gassers, and 100 yard sprints for conditioning. We were always in full pads and always had a water horse there for water breaks. Our first games in those days were typically the week before school started. We'd get a "bye week," which was always set for the final week so we'd get extra time to prepare for the playoffs if we got in. My senior year we got a new coach and did the same basic outline, but we changed the workouts to lower reps and higher weights, which led to huge gains. Then we had spring practice for 2 weeks with a scrimmage and concluded with an intra-squad scrimmage in front of the whole school as a fundraiser. Our coaches bought a bunch of this newfangled miracle suppliment called "creatine" in bulk and sold it to us. Practices got much shorter with a lot less "conditioning," which was for the best--we'd do shells and install the game plan on Mon., full pads on Tues. and Wed., and shorts on Thurs. We had our best season ever that year. We never went to a camp or even talked about it. It confused me when I heard people from other schools talking about them. We also never once played on a turf field. They're still pretty rare around here, but some of the richer districts (or the districts where teams share the same field) have them now. I never even heard of a 7 on 7 or offseason OTAs until I got into coaching. Selling creatine to players.........wow Although this is unrelated it does remind me about something that's unthinkable today but was common back in the 60's- coaches smoking on the sidelines.
|
|
|
Post by dubber on Jul 16, 2014 11:36:47 GMT -6
Selling creatine to players.........wow Although this is unrelated it does remind me about something that's unthinkable today but was common back in the 60's- coaches smoking on the sidelines. I believe Red Faught (old run and shooter at Franklin College) use to smoke on the sidelines. He had a freshman follow him around with an ashtray........didn't want it getting on the field.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 14:52:23 GMT -6
Our coaches bought a bunch of this newfangled miracle suppliment called "creatine" in bulk and sold it to us. Selling creatine to players.........wow Yeah. It was still pretty new on the market at the time (it had just come on the market about 4 years earlier) and there wasn't all the fear and backlash about "doping" players then. None of us would have even known about it if the coaches hadn't sold it to us.
|
|
|
Post by dubber on Jul 17, 2014 0:02:04 GMT -6
Selling creatine to players.........wow Yeah. It was still pretty new on the market at the time (it had just come on the market about 4 years earlier) and there wasn't all the fear and backlash about "doping" players then. None of us would have even known about it if the coaches hadn't sold it to us. Not as bad as Sid Gillman. He use to keep candy dishes of these little pink supplements on the training table. Encouraged every player to grab some while getting taped. Turns out they were anabolic steroids.
|
|
|
Post by blb on Jul 17, 2014 4:53:12 GMT -6
Although this is unrelated it does remind me about something that's unthinkable today but was common back in the 60's- coaches smoking on the sidelines.
My college coach once told me that's why coaches' shirts used to have pockets on them - for guys' smokes.
|
|
|
Post by powerfootball71 on Jul 17, 2014 7:02:14 GMT -6
Selling creatine to players.........wow Yeah. It was still pretty new on the market at the time (it had just come on the market about 4 years earlier) and there wasn't all the fear and backlash about "doping" players then. None of us would have even known about it if the coaches hadn't sold it to us. Will never forget on a official to a pac 10 University 99 they had creatine dispensers that looked like a 7-11 slurpee machine that they would use after there workouts.
|
|
|
Post by bobdoc78 on Jul 20, 2014 14:55:24 GMT -6
Played 75-77.water was discouraged. In a bucket with a ladle. Forearm pads were big. We all lifted on our own. Big thing was the universal gym We ran split back veer. When leaving the our rival field they throw rocks at our bus. Remember first year of coaching and meeting the film guy at the diner with the film cannister
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 15:15:15 GMT -6
Played 75-77.water was discouraged. In a bucket with a ladle. Forearm pads were big. We all lifted on our own. Big thing was the universal gym We ran split back veer. When leaving the our rival field they throw rocks at our bus. Remember first year of coaching and meeting the film guy at the diner with the film cannister We had rocks thrown at our bus as we left a place in '97. They also "greeted" us with an old sign on the way in that threatened to lynch any black people they caught in town after sunset. We were called a "bunch of n******" because we had 3 black players on the team, of which only 2 played.
|
|
|
Post by blb on Jul 20, 2014 15:24:41 GMT -6
My HS career was like "Remember the Titans" without the state championship.
When I was in 7th grade (my buddies' dads were the HS coaches so we went to the games) we beat No. 1 team in the state, breaking their 29-game winning streak.
After game someone from their city shot one of our best basketball players, paralyzing him.
Earlier that fall our high school had been closed several days due to race riots (1967).
And more, including coaching change and team dynamics when I was on Varsity.
'60s-'70s were shall we say very interesting time to grow up.
Until Disco of course - then it just got silly.
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Jul 20, 2014 15:34:57 GMT -6
Played 75-77.water was discouraged. In a bucket with a ladle. Forearm pads were big. We all lifted on our own. Big thing was the universal gym We ran split back veer. When leaving the our rival field they throw rocks at our bus. Remember first year of coaching and meeting the film guy at the diner with the film cannister After my soph year, my school and another joined with a third with a better football program in a tougher league. When we went to one place that they were familiar with but we weren't, when the bus stopped the coaches told us to put our helmets on. That baffled us until we stepped off of the bus and the meteor shower started. After we beat them our bus got stuck at a red light and a guy on the corner ripped the license plate off of the bus. That made us mad but when the guy ripped the plate in half we decided not to make an issue of it.
|
|
|
Post by blb on Jul 20, 2014 15:43:39 GMT -6
when the guy ripped the plate in half we decided not to make an issue of it.
LOL - discretion being the better part of valor.
"The meteor shower" and getting on bus still in helmets after game rings a (Riddell suspension) bell.
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Jul 21, 2014 19:38:49 GMT -6
You're missing the point. Compared to what kids today do we had it easy. Absolutely agree with you, was just being smart. I graduated high school in 2004 and even we had it easy compared to what they're doing now, and we were a very competitive program. Over the summer we would lift 3 days a week and that was really it. Maybe the occasional 7 on 7, not really sure because I was a lineman and didn't have to be there. Now, we lift 4 days a week as well as condition, and do offensive and defensive install. It's just too much. That said,I did sometimes have to walk two miles to get home after practice.
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Jul 21, 2014 19:46:11 GMT -6
when the guy ripped the plate in half we decided not to make an issue of it.
LOL - discretion being the better part of valor.
"The meteor shower" and getting on bus still in helmets after game rings a (Riddell suspension) bell.
The guys who never had to wear a Riddell suspension have no idea what they missed.
|
|
|
Post by coachirish on Jul 22, 2014 20:31:29 GMT -6
I did not play football 30 years ago (99-03), however I feel like I can contribute to this thread due to the fact that my head coach coached from 1970 to 1977, then took a 20 year break and became a head coach again in 1997. Lets say he didnt exactly keep up with any changes of the game during those 20 yrs either. He was 6 ft 300 lb former d1 defensive tackle who was a mountain of a man who owned Clydesdale horses and would man handle them. For laughs during our sit ups he would walk on players stomaches with all his weight. he only let us drink water out of a water horse with a 30 ft black hose that made the water the temperature of lava. Coach hired a wealthy banker to coach offensive line and jv who's last football experience was at the 1952 state championship game where the singlewing wasthe cadillac of the day. We only learned one way to block and that was crab style. Had 20 lineman over 200 pounds but by golly we were gonna crab you until your shins bled. The line coach would constantly remind us that his best friend Curly the halfback ran for 850 yards off each of coach's hips back in '52. Anyway back to the head coach. Once I saw him help the seniors tie up a sophmore to the goal post for some hazing. He tried to get us to take salt tablets but the school administration wouldnt let him. once at a game a fan was heckling him and by halfway through the 4th quarter coach couldnt take it any longer and tried to get his 300 pounds over the fence to go after the heckler. he was banned from speaking to the local newspaper after he threatened our rival coach's life by killing him with his Buick for going for 2 against us when the game was out of hand. So maybe this post became more of a "I played for a socio/pychopath" instead of the 30 yrs ago thing. how was all this allowed to happen you ask? We were a basketball school in a midwestern state that really appreciates basketball and football was just a sideshow until November. Coach retired in 2003 and as of right now he still has keys to the fieldhouse where he is occasionally spotted doing his laundry at odd hours. the new coaches are afraid to ask him to stop or turn in the keys because he's been known to go bruce banner on some people. even though he retired he came back to the school a year later to teach Haitian kids how to speak english even though he himself speaks no French, Creole, or Haitian.
|
|
|
Post by jpdaley25 on Jul 23, 2014 18:08:59 GMT -6
My first helmet in 1974 was a suspension helmet....basically a hardhat with a facemask on it.
We had two weeks of two-a-days.
We were not given water during practice.
We didn't have a structured weight lifting program.
We did about 100 times more running and agility drills than any team that I've coached for has.
Concussions didn't exist....but occasionally, someone would, "Get their bell rung."
Weakness was despised.
|
|
|
Post by rpetrie on Jul 23, 2014 20:06:22 GMT -6
Water makes you weak. Water is for washing blood off my uniform...and you'd better not get no blood on my uniform!
|
|
|
Post by coachklee on Jul 24, 2014 7:00:46 GMT -6
Water makes you weak. Water is for washing blood off my uniform...and you'd better not get no blood on my uniform! Easy Coach Boone! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Jul 24, 2014 8:06:40 GMT -6
When I played (yes, back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth) we had one week of Pre-Season practice, then school started (day after Labor Day). First game was second Friday after Labor Day.
By the time I became a head coach (1979) we had instituted playoffs (three rounds) and schedule was moved up one week.
Now playoffs are five rounds including championship games, and practice this year starts August 11 (three weeks before Labor Day-start of school). First game is August 28.
Some years depending on calendar we play two games before school starts.
So not only are we asking kids basically to give up August to play, we're asking more of them before that, too.
Not to mention coaches. I started coaching in '78 and coaching sure was a lot easier then. The 16mm film had to be developed and that normally didn't get done until Sunday. There was only one copy so we couldn't trade until we'd watched our film. There was only one projector so even if you wanted to grind on Saturday you couldn't.
|
|
|
Post by 33coach on Jul 25, 2014 11:22:54 GMT -6
Do you really want to play 7-on-7 versus these guys?
Your kids would get crippled on a crossing route. I want my kids to wear those jerseys. I would totally coach in a suit! Sent from my VS980 4G using proboards
|
|