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Post by windigo on Jun 16, 2014 16:17:00 GMT -6
Could you let him play RB on the JV squad and then play K/P with 10-15 plays a game as LB for the Varsity? We actually have that rule. If a kid does nothing but kick on varsity he can play on JV. IMHO more associations should too. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 16, 2014 17:41:45 GMT -6
I'm really opposed to pulling a kid up if he isn't going to start at least one way, unless, the JV team is going to get smashed anyway.
It is very important for our programs overall success for kids to have great experiences on all levels. Here in UT we have a sophomore, a JV team that is really just the varsity guys who don't play on Fridays, and a varsity team.
The expectation for our program is that we will win on all three levels and use that momentum to keep growing and getting even better.
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Post by spreadpowero on Jun 18, 2014 7:46:30 GMT -6
Put him on varsity. Also, tell him to be patient and that his day will come.
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2014 7:55:27 GMT -6
I'm really opposed to pulling a kid up if he isn't going to start at least one way, unless, the JV team is going to get smashed anyway. It is very important for our programs overall success for kids to have great experiences on all levels. Here in UT we have a sophomore, a JV team that is really just the varsity guys who don't play on Fridays, and a varsity team. The expectation for our program is that we will win on all three levels and use that momentum to keep growing and getting even better. Don't you consider the kicker/punter to be a starter? |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 23, 2014 20:35:43 GMT -6
Turns out our rule is that 1 play is considered a "game", and you are only allowed one "game" per week, so playing JV and Varsity isn't an option. We finished up a padded camp last week, and we got this kid some reps against some opposing teams' starters, he's definitely not a JV player, and is already our best non-senior LB. I'm positive now that he'll get substantial playing time on special teams and defense for us, but barring injury I seriously doubt he'll be a full time starter on defense.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 23, 2014 20:58:43 GMT -6
The kid's getting meaningful reps against better competition, your kicking game just became a weapon, and one of your best LBs is gonna be the safety man in your kicking game. Sounds like it all worked out, coach.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 24, 2014 6:11:32 GMT -6
If he will see significant time like that, then by all means pull him up!
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Post by wisdom2wins on Mar 14, 2024 15:15:09 GMT -6
You definitely keep him on JV. You don’t bring a player up unless they sustain their role at the next level otherwise you ruin the player’s development and trust of the kids on JV as you disrupt that classes development. It’s a selfish act as a coach and also a detriment to the teams future success. The kid deserves to play at his level instead of being sacrificed to play kicker at the next level. Being from Green Bay, we have some of the best football knowledge in the nation and I can give you a few good examples of why moving him up is a bad idea. There was a kid from another program that was the 5th best player in the state in his class. They moved him up to be a role player as a freshmen, but ended up starving him of reps. When it was his turn to take over the mantle it was a disaster because he had gone over a year without reps in his role: they ended up have the worst season in the programs recent history and only won 1 game despite having a lot of talent. The kid should have gone D1, should have been all state. It’s a shame really, but he still got a full ride as he somewhat rebounded his senior year. The next example is the most successful program in the region. They had a kid that could have easily played varsity, but they decided to keep him down. He wasn’t supposed to go D1, but ended up taking his team to the state championship his senior year and lost on a timeout call with no timeouts left at the end of the game. He went D1. Great program. There is another such example: and that man is named Michael Jordan. He didn’t make varsity to develop into a role player both skill wise and psychologically, but instead got all the reps on JV. His team won state without him and he went on to be the greatest player of all time
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Post by nhsehs on Mar 14, 2024 17:58:23 GMT -6
Well, the kid is 24 years old now. Hopefully it all worked out!
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Post by 44dlcoach on Mar 14, 2024 19:09:22 GMT -6
It did, haha. Kid started three years, outplayed both of the seniors I thought would start over him when he was a sophomore. Must have set the school's career record for "knocked that blocker flat on his a$$"es.
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Post by irishdog on Mar 14, 2024 19:13:52 GMT -6
I always used this rule on deciding this issue. Was the freshman/sophomore physically, mentally, and emotionally mature enough to be a full-time varsity player? Most of the time the answer was no. It had to be a yes on all three of the criteria if he was going to play varsity full-time. There has been just a few exceptions to the rule (one freshman, and three sophomores). They all started, played both ways, and were all-league selections. If a kid only met 2 of the criteria he played 4 quarters of JV ball (we played on Thursdays), and was available to us on the varsity as a backup for only two quarters (state association rule was no more than 6 quarters in a week).
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 14, 2024 21:16:42 GMT -6
If he is a starter on the varsity he's not playing JV. If he is not a starter on the varisty msot likely he is getting significant JV reps. That's always been the general rule on teams I have either been an assistant or head coach.
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 15, 2024 6:26:42 GMT -6
If he is a starter on the varsity he's not playing JV. If he is not a starter on the varisty msot likely he is getting significant JV reps. That's always been the general rule on teams I have either been an assistant or head coach. What's your take on this if he can be a huge contributor on specials, and maybe find some reps elsewhere during the game? We have some twins that we know are pretty good. We brought them up as freshmen so they could get our coaching.They played every special and were ass kickers on them. Then we would sneak them reps on O and D when it was appropriate. We used to agree with your post. If you aren't gonna start, stay down, but this kind of shifted our thought process a little. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Mar 15, 2024 9:50:31 GMT -6
I think if the kid is mentally ready to deal with getting fewer reps then you're helping his development by moving him up. Football is a practice sport, we practice 4 days for evey one game. Practicing with varsity players and varsity coaches is going to help that kid develop.
If he's not there mentally yet and he or his parents are going to pout about less playing time then that's different and harder to manage.
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Post by newt21 on Mar 15, 2024 11:35:03 GMT -6
One thing I’m looking at doing this upcoming year with a similar situation is to practice the kid on varsity and play him on JV. He won’t get better practicing with the other JV kids because he’s going to be so much bigger and stronger, but likely won’t play if moved to varsity permanently. Who knows though, season is still a long ways away and he’s been out working my upperclassmen.
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 15, 2024 13:02:48 GMT -6
If he is a starter on the varsity he's not playing JV. If he is not a starter on the varisty msot likely he is getting significant JV reps. That's always been the general rule on teams I have either been an assistant or head coach. What's your take on this if he can be a huge contributor on specials, and maybe find some reps elsewhere during the game? We have some twins that we know are pretty good. We brought them up as freshmen so they could get our coaching.They played every special and were ass kickers on them. Then we would sneak them reps on O and D when it was appropriate. We used to agree with your post. If you aren't gonna start, stay down, but this kind of shifted our thought process a little. I wish there was a magic number right? In Minnesota there is a rule about how many quarters a week/season an athlete can play. That factors in around here as well. If you are honest or your AD keeps you honest anyway. In the letter of the rule special teams plays count as half a quarter. So if you played on every special team and played in every quarter Friday night you picked up two quarters of action according to league rules. Personally I would play the kid on the special teams and then play him in the JV game. |
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Post by fantom on Mar 15, 2024 13:08:06 GMT -6
I can't get past the fact that he'd be the kicker and punter. If it wasn't for that keeping him on JV would be an easy decision. Kickers/punters are important, though. Punters change starting field position. Kickers score points. They're important.
Since this is now strictly a hypothetical I think the decision comes down to two things:
1. How good do you expect the varsity to be? If you think you'll be mediocre to poor, if you're just building, he's a JV. If you're a contender you need to be firing on all cylinders which means that you need a K/P.
2. If he's not kicking do you have a competent replacement?
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Post by silkyice on Mar 15, 2024 13:21:31 GMT -6
Varsity.
Also, move your JV games to Mondays so that the kid can play both unless you state rules prohibit something like that. Alabama just requires 48 hours between the two games, so most every school play JV on Monday (maybe some Tuesday).
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Post by blb on Mar 15, 2024 13:35:38 GMT -6
You definitely keep him on JV. You don’t bring a player up unless they sustain their role at the next level otherwise you ruin the player’s development and trust of the kids on JV as you disrupt that classes development. It’s a selfish act as a coach and also a detriment to the teams future success. The kid deserves to play at his level instead of being sacrificed to play kicker at the next level. Being from Green Bay, we have some of the best football knowledge in the nation and I can give you a few good examples of why moving him up is a bad idea. There was a kid from another program that was the 5th best player in the state in his class. They moved him up to be a role player as a freshmen, but ended up starving him of reps. When it was his turn to take over the mantle it was a disaster because he had gone over a year without reps in his role: they ended up have the worst season in the programs recent history and only won 1 game despite having a lot of talent. The kid should have gone D1, should have been all state. It’s a shame really, but he still got a full ride as he somewhat rebounded his senior year. The next example is the most successful program in the region. They had a kid that could have easily played varsity, but they decided to keep him down. He wasn’t supposed to go D1, but ended up taking his team to the state championship his senior year and lost on a timeout call with no timeouts left at the end of the game. He went D1. Great program. There is another such example: and that man is named Michael Jordan. He didn’t make varsity to develop into a role player both skill wise and psychologically, but instead got all the reps on JV. His team won state without him and he went on to be the greatest player of all time thanks for joining the board, but: Do you realize you responded to a thread from 2014 (almost ten years ago)? Not that there's anything wrong with that, it did elicit some replies. Also, posting a big block of text like you did without paragraphs is very difficult to read, especially white font on black background. Break your posts up into paragraphs so they can more easily be read please. |
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Post by fantom on Mar 15, 2024 13:45:35 GMT -6
Do you realize you responded to a thread from 2014 (almost ten years ago)? Not that there's anything wrong with that, it did elicit some replies. Also, posting a big block of text like you did without paragraphs is very difficult to read, especially white font on black background. Break your posts up into paragraphs so they can more easily be read please. Don't call it an oldie. Call it a "classic". Nothing wrong with reviving a good discussion. |
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Post by silkyice on Mar 15, 2024 14:02:10 GMT -6
Do you realize you responded to a thread from 2014 (almost ten years ago)? Oh wait. So this is AWESOME! How did it turn out 44dlcoach ? |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Mar 15, 2024 15:22:53 GMT -6
Do you realize you responded to a thread from 2014 (almost ten years ago)? Oh wait. So this is AWESOME! How did it turn out 44dlcoach ? Kid was an absolute badass for 3 years! |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Mar 15, 2024 15:34:54 GMT -6
I've referenced this guy in another thread before too. During this season we played an out of state game and a player on the other team had like the fastest 100M time for any junior in the country in the previous spring. We told our boy the sophomore kicker that under no circumstances could we kick the ball to the fastest high schooler in America.
Of course, we kicked it right to him and he ran it back on us. Should have left my guy on JV that week haha.
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Post by redandwhite on Mar 17, 2024 17:10:10 GMT -6
I'm of an age and an era where every kid would be willing to give up their left nut to be moved up. I believe things are very different these days. Whenever we contemplate moving a player up a level the first thing we do is have a conversation with the player laying out the scenario. If he is interested, we then have the same conversation with his parents. For many players, even the really talented ones, playing with their buddies is the most important thing. There was a time when I would have had a negative reaction to someone sayin g "no thanks", but not anymore.
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