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Post by coachjoe on Mar 10, 2007 14:16:30 GMT -6
are a head football coach and also a full time teacher (5 classes taught per day)?
I just don't think that can be done anymore, considering the demands and expectatons placed on high school football coaches and the hours that go into running a program.
I know of some phys-ed teachers who are head coaches that have a full schedule but a phys-ed teacher doesn't have the prep work of a math/english/science/social studies teacher.
Most head coaches I know in my area are eithers TA's, supplies managers, teach with a reduced workload
To those that do more power to them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2007 15:15:18 GMT -6
Including PE, I would say most HCs in IL are full-time teachers. I'm not an HC myself though.
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Post by coachbw on Mar 10, 2007 16:17:12 GMT -6
I am a high school head coach and teach 6 of the 7 periods of the day. I agree that it is tough. During the season I do not spend a single prep period doing teaching stuff, there is always something football related that comes up and needs immediate attention. All of my correcting and lesson planning is done at home after practice.
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Post by kscoach on Mar 10, 2007 16:19:01 GMT -6
I am a high school head coach in Kansas and teach 5 history classes.
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Post by optioncoach on Mar 10, 2007 16:38:12 GMT -6
Head football, English teacher (Jr. English, Sr. English, Honors 11, Honors 12), wife is an administrator (which means I cook...which is fine 'cause I'm a better cook anyway), 3 kids.
We're not a big time program, but I spend as much or more time as the next guy performing the various duties of a head football coach. Its all about time management and organization.
Personally, I think the reason more and more non-teachers are taking coaching jobs (both head and assistants in all sports) is because the money is so poor given the time investment. Then you add the pissed off factor...that no matter what you do, people are pissed off at you...its easy to see why painting houses in the summer or bagging groceries after school might not sound so bad. There's a reason so many coaches end up in administration...its the SAME THING. You get paid a set amount, you do a bunch of things that are just part of the job, you're busy 11 (or 11.5 if you take a vacation) months out of the year, and some one is always pissed at you. The difference? Somewhere between $50,000 and $70,000.
Not the direction I want to go right now, but lets just say I can't blame a guy if he does...
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 10, 2007 17:01:00 GMT -6
I'm guessing everyone is here (Nebraska). It does kind of depend on the district. I'm in the admin 1/2 time (AD + AP) I teach 1/2 time (1 English, 3 PE, 2 of which are Athletic Weight Training/Conditioning... so in the AM I get every FB player). For a school our size (around 75) I have a great situation (as long as there is no girl fight going on at the time).
I have taught 7 academic classes while being a HC (English and Social Studies)... at a 5A (largest) school in Colorado I taught 5 English classes while being HFC (220+ kids in the program).
Given my previous experiences, this is pretty good, by comparison.
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Post by coachdawhip on Mar 10, 2007 18:33:11 GMT -6
At my school our HC teaches 5 classes a day, at all the schools I have interviewed at I must teach 5 classes, so I'm not sure any other way to do it, it would be nice to teach less, but as I was told we pay you over 45,000 to teach just over 5 to coach.
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Post by wingman on Mar 10, 2007 19:52:54 GMT -6
Head coach in socal. Also teach 4 English classes. Not to say there isn't a lot of football work going on in class sometimes.
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Post by optioncoach on Mar 10, 2007 20:39:41 GMT -6
I think as long as your work gets done, and you have a good relationaship with your boss, whether you are grading papers or making out your practice plans, its still work. Now if your watching video on the VCR, that might be another matter. But then, I watch video on my computer now...
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Post by fbdoc on Mar 10, 2007 21:27:01 GMT -6
Was a Head Coach / AD for 5 years (also taught 2 periods of weights) before becoming the Dean of Students (discipline) at a Christian school in south Florida. My days are much fuller as the Dean - kid stuff not football - but my evenings are far less hectic. My salary (pretty good for our school/area) is the same as it was when I was the AD.
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Post by coachjd on Mar 10, 2007 23:20:55 GMT -6
5 classes and one study hall per day, plus all head coaching duties to get ready for each day of practice etc..
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Post by kboyd on Mar 10, 2007 23:37:38 GMT -6
I'm a co-head coach, an odd sounding set up but one that works. I work outside the school and the other co-head coach is at the school. I do most of the planning and such and the other coach (the only one of 7 on our staff at the school) is there for the kids during the day.
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Post by tvt50 on Mar 11, 2007 6:46:17 GMT -6
One local head coach that I know of when he got the job taught the regular amount but once he started winning and getting his players into some big time schools, he asked for an extra "planning" period to handle recruiting and talking to college coaches. He got it.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Mar 11, 2007 7:40:01 GMT -6
Head coach at a very small school. I teach 6 periods (5 Social Studies' preps). I find that I can handle the teaching & coaching portion of this. The difficulty during the season is balancing family into the equation (the most important thing).
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 11, 2007 9:59:11 GMT -6
I was a head coach at a school of 400 and taught 6 out of 7 classes a day (5 social studies classes, 1 classroom driver ed). The guy who took the job after I left also teaches 6 of 7 classes (5 SS, 1 English). I know a few guys in Illinois who have cushy schedules, but they're few and far between.
PE is definitely the way to go though to be a HC. Teaching American History, Geography, American History 1945-Present and Driver Ed while being the HC of football and wrestling was an absolute nightmare. I spent the majority of my 45 min prep doing coaching stuff and neglecting my teaching. Wasn't a good deal.
I love reading the guys from Texas posts. I would wager the average amount of time spent in the classroom in that state by head football coaches to be around 2 1/2 hours a day. I don't know how you do it.
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Post by coachjd on Mar 11, 2007 10:15:36 GMT -6
I would say PE is not the way to go. I am only in my office for 4-6 min. in between each class when my kids are changing at the end or beginning of class. Other wise I am in the wgt room, gym or athletic fields, or health classroom. very difficult to work on anything football when I have 35-40 kids in class. All of our coaches who are classroom teachers get time to work on practice schedules, game plans, scout cards, or watching film on laptop etc.. when kids are working on assignments or taking tests.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 11, 2007 10:33:59 GMT -6
I was talking more in the line of prep work. While you may not have class time to work on stuff, you also don't have to take any of your prep time for class planning. You also probably don't have to spend more than 15 mins after school on prepping for PE.
Besides, show me a normal teacher who gives worksheets everday just to work on football stuff and I'll show you a guy who doesn't have a job very long in most school districts.
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Post by superpower on Mar 11, 2007 13:03:20 GMT -6
I am head coach at a 3A school in Kansas, and I teach 7 English classes (5 periods of Jr. English, 1 Contemporary Literature, and 1 Creative Writing) as well as a zero hour weightlifting class (for which I volunteer my time). I have first period planning period. Next year I will be adding some freshman English classes, but I will probably not have the Cont. Lit. and Creative Writing classes. I also coach Jr. High boys basketball.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 11, 2007 13:14:10 GMT -6
English is not bad for coaching. On game days, we generally have reading day, so I can work on play card, pre-game meeting notes, etc. PE does require you to be busy (we watch tapes in Ath. class, so I am usually talking to them as we watch... and in my general PE class, they need CONSTANT supervision).
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Post by lsrood on Mar 12, 2007 6:05:46 GMT -6
HC in Western PA and teach 7 out of 8 periods a day in Communications. Most coaches in our area are also full time teachers, but not all. We also have a few AD's, but not many principals that I know of.
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Post by midlineqb on Mar 12, 2007 15:07:13 GMT -6
I was a head coach at a 3A school in Kansas. Taught 2 world History, 1 psychology, 3 weight lifting classes. After teaching the history and psychology there wasn't much prep needed to teach it (notes were in sheet protectors and knew them well). I had one plan period which I worked on football. It was no problem for me and didn't take a lot home with me. Wished I'd known how to do this when I was younger and my kids were still in school, I would of had more quality time to spend with them (4). THE QUALITY FAMILY TIME IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MISS UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE!
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Post by raider7342 on Mar 13, 2007 13:38:58 GMT -6
i also teach 5 per. a day and coach basketball. how have some of you guys balanced this with family time. we have small children and i am really finding myself stretched pretty thin right now. i know it will get worse during season.
any tips?
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Post by calicoachh on Mar 14, 2007 14:04:36 GMT -6
i'm the HC, teach 3 classes of Senior Civics, 1 period of Junior/senior sociology and two periods of football. Plus I'm an assistant track coach. My wife is also a teacher at teh school, teh head Volleyball coach and an assiatant track coach. our two boys (4 and 2 years old) love coming to track practice and the students treat them like little brothers. it's pretty neat. My captains this past season came to the older one's birthday party, he thought that was the coolest thing in the world.
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Post by juice10 on Mar 14, 2007 14:54:46 GMT -6
I teach PE 7 out of 8 possible periods and occasionally it gets a little tough during football season. Balancing a family (which is most important as coach johnson said earlier), teaching and coaching gets to be difficult at times. Throw head golf coach in there and that's really tough. Playing 18 holes of a friday for a golf tournament gets to be really draining.
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Post by champ93 on Mar 14, 2007 18:16:13 GMT -6
Teach 5 classes--psych and US history. US history gets slighted during the season more than I would like to admit.
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