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Mar 16, 2014 19:43:53 GMT -6
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Post by Underdeveloped on Mar 16, 2014 19:43:53 GMT -6
Coaches what are some ways you utilize your coach upstairs?
Really curious how all of you communicate with this coach. What is he looking for on a play to play basis? How much should he say?
Sorry if there is a prior thread for this.
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Post by coachphillip on Mar 16, 2014 20:22:53 GMT -6
As a coach upstairs, my job is to provide constant feedback of info.
Offensively: I watch the OL on run plays and look for other things by request of the OC (i.e. DB eyes on backfield, DE not staying home, etc.). First series I check the front, depth of DBs, etc. Basically making sure the scouting report was accurate.
Defensively: The DC will tell me to watch a specific group, otherwise I watch the box for fits.
Overall: I am responsible for opponent personnel and substitutions, telling coaches the D&D, keeping track of time and timeouts, and keeping my eye on kids who are getting looked at by trainers on the opposite sidelines if they're significant players.
My general rule is just to constantly spit out info. Don't make suggestions. That's not my job. Give info which would inform a decision. There are times where they aren't listening, but I keep talking and they like it that way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 22:47:39 GMT -6
I think this depends on what you need and expect from him.
The big thing to remember is that he only has one set of eyes. What do you want him to focus on?
After trying to call plays from the sidelines with no one in the booth, I moved up top as our lone guy there last season. As OC, I could easily figure out what I was looking for on each play (usually stuff I'd noticed we had an issue with in practice or watching for specific defensive reactions to certain plays) because I was the one who needed that info from play to play.
Defensively and on ST, I tried to watch the play of the DL and defenders on the far side of the field who are hard to see from our own sideline. If there was a player we felt may be dogging it or loafing, I'd try to get that info to the sidelines ASAP. I also tried to keep an eye out for which players were subbing out on the other team or limping around, etc.
The more eyes you can get upstairs, the better. One coach is good, but 2 is better if they have defined responsibilities that don't overlap. I've coached against teams who had 6 guys up top with specific tasks to stay on top of from play to play. I've coached against others who seemed to be simply watching the game like a fan.
A couple of years ago, I was part of a staff that had 3 guys up top. One would chart the opponent's defensive tendencies and watch the opponents on the far sideline. Another would chart the opponent's offensive tendencies and watch the opponents on the near sideline. We would briefly analyze the tendencies at halftime--strong/weak, left/right, d&d, etc. I would watch the OL/DL play and get word down to the field about which bubbles looked particularly good to attack or who was struggling to block or get off a block. That worked pretty well.
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Man up top
Mar 16, 2014 23:05:27 GMT -6
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Post by mholst40 on Mar 16, 2014 23:05:27 GMT -6
It depends in how many guys I have upstairs. Firt, I want personnel if the team we play has any. Next, the coach provides down and distance and field position based on a spreadsheet column and row.. Lastly, a coach charts plays for field position and down and distance.
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Post by jmg999 on Mar 17, 2014 5:56:50 GMT -6
The DC was our D-line coach, and I assisted him. During games, I would be up in the booth watching the far side of the line to make certain that our guys did what they were supposed to do. I would also diagram each offensive formation, which we would look over at halftime to make sure that we were on point w/ our defensive gameplan. In the booth w/ me were the assistant O-line coach and the assistant d-backs coach. The O-line coach would keep track of the offensive plays being run amongst other things, and the d-backs coach would keep an eye on our coverages and the routes the receivers were running.
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Post by brophy on Mar 17, 2014 6:56:35 GMT -6
brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2010/01/game-communication.html1. Condition the calls through the week 2. Have a plan 3. Assess the situation and the play that you need 4. Distill the 'menu' 5. (Game Night) Get the play in 6. Just The Facts, Jack
* spot
* down and distance
* relevant substitutions/injuries:
* Stating the Obvious
* Auto Reminder
* Who Made the Tackle:
* Distribution
* Play Charting
* Tendency
* Clues
* Target of Opportunities
* Real Time Stats
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 17, 2014 19:23:45 GMT -6
AAAA program
4 coaches up top
2 offense, 2 defense
i don't know exactly what the O coaches spot
i coach the safeties, so I watch the big picture. The other coach works with LBs so watches the box. I call the formation ASAP. Presnap echo hash. I call the spot of the ball and down and distance with the help of the other coach. I watch for personal changes the other coach watches for linemen/box adjustments. Typical calls from the box.
Once we get the D&D, I check for tendencies based on formation/play, the other coach is checking for the same based on D&D.
Since i do a lot of the breakdown during the week, I try to stay one step ahead of what the opposing OC is thinking. I make the scout script so usually I have a Handle on what is coming. If something is going off script, I alert the HC/DC of that. Since I have been in the league for a while, I try to think of anything that might have come in the past in that particular situation. I also try to watch the opposing sideline to see if any injured players might be getting treatment, it the OL coach is jumping down the throats do the linemen if we getting pressure, if the the other sideline is hanging their heads, remind the sideline of the clock/time outs/scoreboard situations/FG chances/wind for kicks/etc.....
i try try to be the objective observer. I offer suggestions for calls based on the script. I listen to the demeanor of the voices in the headsets to try and calm folks down or get the guys focused on a specific mindset for the coming series. On top of that I relay information to the CBs coach for our group.
Of course in the mode of levity, I make sure they know where the yummy mummies are seating in the stands, how good the press box spread is, and I usually serenade the HC right before kick off with my rousing rendition of 'I Like Swimming with Bow Legged Women' or some other song relayed to the opponent's mascot.
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 17, 2014 19:27:24 GMT -6
To each will different, I think your box coach needs tell you what you need to know
-now
-before the next series
-what to adjust for at half time
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Post by realdawg on Mar 18, 2014 5:35:32 GMT -6
I have been a box guy for a few years now. I coach DL and work very closely with our DC. The first thing he wants to know is D&D. We are a 3-3 stack team, so all our calls are based on D&D tendencies with a few formation checks. Next, I look for substitutions or personnel changes. Only 1 team we played had alot of personnel groupings but I had to alert those groups during that game as that was a big part of our plan. Next is formation. I try to watch each play after that to see if and where we messed up or misaligned or whatever. I also try to keep a running chart of the teams formation and calls based on D&D in that game. I miss a couple of these with everything else that is going on. But that helps us if I can say, hey, on the last 3 1&10s they have ran......Next I look for any adjustments that we need to make and suggest any calls that I think would be good.
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