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Post by fantom on Mar 14, 2014 9:46:34 GMT -6
I feel bad for the coaches. You know you've all worked with a guy who would turn your show into a television sensation if they followed him around while he was coaching. There's probably 3 good coaches on each staff on the show watching their teams on television and face palming the entire time. I had a homeless guy coaching RBs on a staff I was on a few years back. No joke. Now THAT would've been good television. Yeah but he couldn't have watched it. |
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Post by coachphillip on Mar 14, 2014 9:48:02 GMT -6
fantom, you owe me a new cup of coffee LOL.
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Post by brophy on Mar 14, 2014 10:24:12 GMT -6
after watching a few episodes, it becomes apparent which teams are being coached skills (even though they aren't showing it). When you only get a fraction of what is taking place, you can also discern which ones are playing "coach" and which ones are actually coaching.
One item that is cringe worthy is the lens football is presented (how the parents see it, how the producers see it, how some of the 'coaches' see it). The amount of involvement from the parents and the way the editors amp up the drama of physicality involved. For example, they do play up kids crying during practice/games, which isn't that uncommon for 10-11 year olds particularly after a big collision, but the show plays it up like the coaches are forcing kids to keep playing with concussions or something
I think it was episode 5 or something where the retired Army officer who is President of a program (?) has to take over as HC for one of his teams. The amount of structure he attempts to use prior to a game is nice to see, but the series also documents how, in the heat/frustration of a game, he's willing to throw that out the window because he is out-thinking himself.
It would be short-sighted to discount a lot of the stuff on the show just because its youth ball. To coachphillip's point, a lot of the same issues take place on dysfunctional varsity staffs, too.
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Post by spartan on Mar 14, 2014 10:32:40 GMT -6
Roger Goodell has every lawyer at his disposal trying to get this off the air after he just spent the last 3 years trying to explain that the game is safer.
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Post by windigo on Mar 17, 2014 11:39:04 GMT -6
As I said in the other thread this show is basically being type cast by the on awful coach of the Broncos. That guy is representative of many of the things that are wrong with our society not just football. He has no business coaching and I was pleased to hear that he has been suspended. Hopefully he will use the free time to get his life in order.
As for the show there is a lot of good and bad coaching to watch and learn from. The game between the Outlaws and the Colts was a good one to watch because hopefully we will all find ourselves in a situation where it is two powerhouse teams going at it. The outlaws were unscored upon all year and the colts hadn’t trailed an opponent all year. The Colts opened the game with a TD and the Outlaw coaches kept their composure and so did their players. When the Outlaws took the lead the Colts coaches totally imploded and so did their players. They didn’t even know what to say at halftime when their team is trailing.
This applies to high school coaching just as much as youth.
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Post by davecisar on Mar 18, 2014 12:38:40 GMT -6
I thought it was important to watch the show because parents and haters of the game are going to be watching it and talking about it. If I don't know anything about the show- I wouldn't be able to talk intelligently about it. It would be like ignoring the concussion issue and saying lalalala with my fingers in my ears.
My take: Ive done over 160 coaches clinics all over the US, including a bunch in Texas. This is NOT a fair representation of what happens on most youth football teams. Most are run by well intentioned guys whose goal is to help develop a love and passion for the game in their players- so they continue to play. If that isn't the case where you live, then do something about it- it doesn't have to be that way. Ive started 2 programs from scratch and we retain over 95% of our kids year to year- Ive lost 1 kid on my own teams in last 6 years- and won 90% of our games. All but 1 of the kids Ive coached through 8th grade played HS ball except 1- who weighed less than 90 lbs as a frosh.
You can have fun, play everyone, retain kids, teach great fundys and win- they aren't mutually exclusive at all. Do everything else right and the wins take care of themselves- a bonus.
The show- you have 1 really poorly coached team Broncos with a nutjob- that is 1 of 14 teams in that age group
You have 1 team that is poorly coached- but don't see much damage being done- good to the kids- Rockets
JUDSON- which is a legendary power in HS football in that area
1 Pretty well coached team with positive focus Predators
1 Fairly well coached team Outlaws- whose coaches use profanity. They tackle a little high- but do a lot of things fairly well
1 Fairly well coached team- Colts- whose coaches use profanity. They don't sustain their blocks well or tackle consistently but do a lot of other things fairly well
In all fairness- if any of us had several cameras on us 24x7- someone could put together 3-4 minutes of unflattering footage. That doesn't excuse the poor behavior we saw by the Broncos- Colts or Outlaws. You don't see the every day drills or stuff that goes well- you see what will draw an audience.
This isn't 1970 or 1980 when you played football or did nothing in the fall. There is competition for getting kids to play football in 2014. Many areas of the country including mine- the best youth programs are in the areas with the best HS football- absolutely the case here- Millard, NE, Elkhorn, NE.
Teaching fellas to coach youth football is pretty easy to do and most when approached properly are willing to take help. And its SO MUCH MORE than running the HS scheme- that should be about 10th on the list of what a HS coach teaches a youth coach IF the goal is retention and building a passion for the game in that player. |
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Post by kcbazooka on Mar 18, 2014 19:42:37 GMT -6
Sad TV show - but I got to admit I've watched most of it --- kind of like a train wreck.
One episode - the coach told his players where to hit the kid in the helmet so the opponents would come out of the game. Apparently the opponents had a smaller squad and they were hoping to win the battle of attrition.
Next episode, a coach had all the kids run some laps. Only the first five finishers were allowed to get water. They others had to run again.
I hate going to our youth league games. The coaching is bad, the officiating is bad and at least in our league the stud ball player gets the ball 90% of the time. We have a fifth quarter where all the scrubs get to play. Bullhockey - they should all get to play in the regular game.
Because one of schoolboard members is a little league Lombardi we have tried to reach out to the youth league groups. They are not interested and I'm sure they think they know more football than the HS staff. Our league has 1st+2nd, 3rd + 4th, and 5th+6th grade teams. The 1st and 2nd graders look like little helmets running around.
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Post by coachpress on Mar 20, 2014 9:45:38 GMT -6
I am surprised no has said this yet, so I will. Poor coaching and management of kids happens at EVERY level of our game. We are kidding ourselves if we think it doesn't. I have worked with high school teams and division II/III teams where the coaching staff completely mismanaged almost everything. They didn't understand how to teach fundamentals, they didn't really care about the well-being of the kids, and they didn't know how to build or maintain a good program. I am currently a high school coach, as are most of us here, but let's be objective for a second, and call things as they are. There are good youth coaches, and there are horrible youth coaches. There are good high school coaches, and there are horrible high school coaches. There are good college coaches, and there are horrible college coaches. Good and bad coaching exists in every level of football. It just so happens that this sh*t was put on TV and highlights the mistakes and flaws of what are, as a whole, some pretty average coaches (withstanding the social degenerate coaching the junior broncos).
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Post by brophy on Mar 20, 2014 9:57:10 GMT -6
I am surprised no has said this yet, so I will. Poor coaching and management of kids happens at EVERY level of our game. We are kidding ourselves if we think it doesn't. its been said a couple of times already in this thread |
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Post by davecisar on Apr 1, 2014 9:34:21 GMT -6
Im a panelist on the show tonight. It's a 90 minute special thing- Im on with Mike Martz, Brandon Jacobs, Clinton Portis and some Drs
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Post by coachdennis on Apr 3, 2014 8:10:48 GMT -6
While it is reality TV, which means that everything is over the top, let's be honest - we have all worked with coaches like the meatheads on this show. Seeing it on your TV demonstrates just how appalling outsiders find it when they see guys like this on the field. We've all become a little numb to it, ("Oh, that's just how Joe is, he doesn't mean anything by it.")but we shouldn't be.
My takeaway from this show is that we simply have to do a better job keeping the meatheads off our respective staffs and sidelines. I know they are attracted to our sport like flies to @#$#, but in the ongoing battle to keep our registration numbers up and keep the moms from fleeing in horror (with their kids in tow) we have to ensure that a culture like the one seen on the show doesn't start creeping into our programs. That starts with being a lot more selective about our coaches. I would much rather have a staff of five with everyone on the same page, than a staff of 8-10 with a bunch of those hammerheads making my life (and, more importantly, those of the kids) miserable at every turn...
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Post by brophy on Feb 2, 2015 12:15:54 GMT -6
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Post by CALIcoach on Feb 2, 2015 13:54:18 GMT -6
SMDH
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Post by fantom on Feb 2, 2015 16:51:47 GMT -6
And now they have a golf version. |
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Post by brophy on Feb 2, 2015 17:56:41 GMT -6
Watched the first 2 episodes of the second season and it is unfortunate that football is being used as the backdrop for this series. All the sport does in this context is reveal how much pieces of {censored} are out there in society. Its 'fans', 'parents', 'coaches', and 'administrators' who are revealing who they are while trying to take part in this sport.
If you thought last season was brutal, this season is even more of a joke of adults (parents,coaches,admins) playing grown ups but not having a clue of what is required to carry it off.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 2, 2015 18:17:27 GMT -6
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Post by lochness on Feb 2, 2015 18:33:36 GMT -6
And we wonder why our game is slowly dying.
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Post by tiger46 on Feb 2, 2015 20:35:19 GMT -6
This subject and thread always crops up. There are more bad youth football coaches than there are good ones. No surprise there. There are also more bad HS football coaches than there are good ones, too. No surprise there, either.
Even the best of HS and youth coaches are not perfect. But, there are a lot of very good ones. He11, I can see more poorly coached football teams than well coached football teams every Friday night and Saturdays of every season on every level if that was what I was into doing. I do tend to get amused at a bunch of coaches that should know better, being so influenced by a 'reality' (<--snicker) TV show. It's quite easy to visit a youth football board- I'd recommend DumCoach, for starters- and get involved with the youth coaches that do things right. Heck, there are even clips provided. Woohoo!
Perhaps, everything that I've ever known to be bad in youth football happens at HS level, also. There's almost no greater proof of that than being on this site and reading some of the threads about administrators, principals, AD's, HC's, AC's, player agents(parents), players, techniques, recruiting, etc, etc...
Participation in HS football is not the holy grail of sports achievement. There are way better reasons for children to participate in youth football.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 2, 2015 20:55:08 GMT -6
those "coaches" are some of the few people i wish real bodily harm on. they honestly don't deserve to be around children (whether they are there own or otherwise)
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Post by Coach.A on Feb 3, 2015 8:49:38 GMT -6
There are more bad youth football coaches than there are good ones. No surprise there. There are also more bad HS football coaches than there are good ones, too. No surprise there, either. I'm also outraged by what I see on this show, but I don't think your comment is fair. Admittedly, outside of our city, I don't get to observe much youth football but I know there are more "good coaches" then bad coaches here. By "good coaches" I mean coaches that know how to be positive role models and treat people with respect. Don't let this TV show suck you into the same trap as the masses. The types of coaches featured in this show are a small minority, but unfortunately they attract higher ratings (like a train wreck), and therefore are provided with a national platform to display their antics. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 9:01:10 GMT -6
Unfortunately this show and others like it put this sport in the wrong type of people's crosshairs. I also think that terms like role model and good or great coach are easily had.
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Post by tiger46 on Feb 3, 2015 10:22:34 GMT -6
There are more bad youth football coaches than there are good ones. No surprise there. There are also more bad HS football coaches than there are good ones, too. No surprise there, either. I'm also outraged by what I see on this show, but I don't think your comment is fair. Admittedly, outside of our city, I don't get to observe much youth football but I know there are more "good coaches" then bad coaches here. By "good coaches" I mean coaches that know how to be positive role models and treat people with respect. Don't let this TV show suck you into the same trap as the masses. The types of coaches featured in this show are a small minority, but unfortunately they attract higher ratings (like a train wreck), and therefore are provided with a national platform to display their antics. Coach, Admittedly, my remark was rather flippant. But, if you read the rest of my post I think you'll see that I am pro youth football- obviously, since I'm a youth football coach. I don't buy into the philosophy that kids shouldn't play youth football because I do not believe that the point of playing youth football is to groom them for HS football. There are more beneficial reasons for a kid to play youth football; including learning to be responsible and dependable, positive role models, no pass/no play (at least for our players), work ethic, etc... I know that there are HS football coaches that are actually involved in youth sports, also. I'm not trying to judge anyone. I think it may even make an interesting poll on these boards to have the HS coaches poll their team and find out what percentage of them played youth football. It would also be interesting to know what positions they played then as compared to their HS positions and, where they are on the depth charts at their positions. As for youth football ruining players for HS football, any HS coach could easily remedy that. All they have to do is put their money where their mouth is. Kick everyone on their current roster that played youth football off of their team. I mean, really clean house! Make it known far and wide, that no one that plays youth football will be welcome in their HS program 3>10 years from now. Yeah.... let's see how well that works out for them. Yes, I'm just being a trolling jerk about that last part. Don't anyone take it too seriously. Lol! |
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Post by eaglemountie on Feb 7, 2015 14:48:54 GMT -6
I've never watched a minute of this and I can only imagine how terrible it is all around. Just a few promos I've seen there is a lot of poor technique, "coaches" yelling cliches and abusing kids.
I refuse to watch...
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Post by olinedude on Feb 11, 2015 10:20:18 GMT -6
I hate youth football, sorry youth coaches. Play 7 on 7 and run the same system as your high school. Pads can wait until 7th grade.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 11, 2015 11:29:40 GMT -6
I hate youth football, sorry youth coaches. Play 7 on 7 and run the same system as your high school. Pads can wait until 7th grade. I agree about the pads part, that they aren't necessary until 6th grade or so, but running the offense of your high school isn't as easy as you think. Some youth organizations feed into multiple schools or have no affiliation what so ever. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards |
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Post by olcoach53 on Feb 11, 2015 11:37:59 GMT -6
This show is disgusting. I will NEVER watch it.
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Post by bamafancoop on Feb 11, 2015 11:51:24 GMT -6
I have parents ask all the time about how old should kids play "real" football. I think flag football is great for kids 5-6th grade, but not tackle football. I just want to know where the blame lies when one of the kids gets seriously hurt.
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Post by fantom on Feb 11, 2015 11:54:16 GMT -6
I have parents ask all the time about how old should kids play "real" football. I think flag football is great for kids 5-6th grade, but not tackle football. I just want to know where the blame lies when one of the kids gets seriously hurt. Whose fault is it if a kid falls off the monkey bars or crashes his bike? |
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Post by olinedude on Feb 11, 2015 12:07:37 GMT -6
I hate youth football, sorry youth coaches. Play 7 on 7 and run the same system as your high school. Pads can wait until 7th grade. I agree about the pads part, that they aren't necessary until 6th grade or so, but running the offense of your high school isn't as easy as you think. Some youth organizations feed into multiple schools or have no affiliation what so ever. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards Yeah, running the HS system can be tricky, I'm just talking about an ideal world full of one horse towns haha |
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Post by fantom on Feb 11, 2015 12:11:27 GMT -6
I saw probably 5 minutes of one episode because my TV was accidentally on the channel already. I found the first 5 minutes so just outright ignorant that I actually got up, walked to the other couch to get the remote to change the channel. reality shows are exactly why the only TV I watch is: Family guy, American Dad, Big Bang Theory (on TBS) and Old Two and Half Men. I hate to say it but I do watch the show. Maybe I'm waiting to see just how phocked up these guys can get. |
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