QB camps; Darin Slack or Jeff Tricky??

you can check out darin's website by clicking on the banner above the board.

Visited his website already. sounds good... In the process of ordering it.

I had the pleasure of sitting in on a Jeff Trickey clinic and purchase his stuff;really good!!

Here's his site:

www.trickeyqbcamps.com

Saint rad,

Just out off curiosity, what makes it so user friendly compared to other QB material out there...

he teaches the player to be able to understand how to correct as he goes. SInce the QB is the one in the moment he can best determine, if he is taught to, what part was off during the play. I have worked with Ron Jenkins several times and his approach is similar, but it is still coach centered. Tedford used to teach his QBs a similar process of self-correction. His teaching process builds on each other and is simple enough for the QB to learn and understand.

Even when I learn qb stuff like I eventually want to, I will always work with the ol.

Tog,

Don't get me wrong, its all about the fatties, but I feel if you are calling the "O" your place should be with the QB's, I could be wrong, just my opinion...

Problem is comittment with my QB coach, just started a family and also a faculty member. He doesn't know how much time he can commit, He did this to me my first year as Head Coach, I excepted it then but I will not go through it again, thats why...

Its hard to find a solid QB coach. Especially around here...

There are many OC's who still coach the OL. Kevin Wilson at Oklahoma, Mangino used to do both at Oklahoma. Mitch Browning Minnesota, Steve Loney Minnesota Vikings, just to name a few.

I made this mistake my first year as a head coach. Why have 2 coaches learning new positions (QB and OL) if you stay with the OL now you only have one new coach to learn the new position. IMO

how is there wiggle room in commitment?
i don't get it

that's exactly what my head coach is saying.....lol

let me throw in my 2 cents. coaching a position is separate from the job of "coordinating" which is separate from "calling plays".

coaching your position is what you do during the week
coordinating is more about organizational stuff that occurs year round.
play calling is something you do on game nights.

there is no reason the 3 have to be interlocked in such a fashion that you must coach 1 specific position to be successful.

now, as an offensive coordinator i feel you must have a good knowledge of all things that occur within your offense. that "title" means you have to be held accountable for every position. well, there's no way you can individually coach every position so pick the one you can do the best and will have the most impact on. during team settings you will be responsible for seeing the whole thing and that is where you throw in 2 cents about other positions (make corrections but DO NOT do it in a manner that will throw the position coach under the bus).

as a play caller, the position you coach has no bearing on the plays you call. you are calling plays based on the defense & you're offense's execution (well, other factors, too -- weather, time, matchup, talent..etc.). just because you individually coach the ol should have no factor on your play decision - nor should coaching the qb's. play calling is a TEAM decision so you must take the whole into account.

Huey, thanks for shedding light on the situation... really good input, I appreciate it!!

Saintrad, I also appreciate the invite. I live San Jose California.

You guys coach together... If you do, it must be a pretty solid program.

and it's just opinion bigdaddy

tog, LOL on your comment "being half-committed is like being half-pregnant" That is gold my friend!

bigdaddyd,
Coach, if you can get your QBs to "Self Correct," it will be much easier to entrust them to someone, if it isn't you. They can have the capacity to make adjustments mechanically, and fundamentally, on their own, while your coach stays on scheme. Sounds like a lark, I know, read on...

First, I have only heard great things about Jeff's camps, and I am sure he does an excellent job. He certainly is well thought of by so many in the game, though I have not had the privilege to meet him myself. We do differ on some things as I have worked with many kids coming out of his camps, but there are many similarities, especially our mutual and passionate commitment to leadership. You can't go wrong being in his program. Your kids will improve no doubt. I hope to be returning to Southern California again this year, or I can just come to your area, we can talk about that if you want.


As far as what makes my program different?
(Okay, "regulars" close your eyes for minute, I am going off the reservation and I am going to break the rules of engagement and shameless self promotion...indulge me, or endure me, but I want to serve this coach with an answer to his question, and I will get back in line - Thanks for your patience. I do hope this serves others who are wondering the same thing)

I would be happy to talk with you personally about how I can help you develop your approach to QBs. I want to be available to as many coaches as I can as a resource. These coaches on this board have honored me with their comments and explanation and I am grateful that they are beginning to see what "Self-Correction" can do for a QB's confidence, and their own.(Keith that was impressive, Tom you got it right, and Coach Huey thank you)

I really am approaching this thing from a "slightly"(maybe an understatement) different point of view than the prevailing QB training out there. I have not watched tapes and read books on the topic and recooked my own theories from that, but I have reviewed many, and I am not on a lot of their radar screens philisophically, so that might move "slightly" to "heavily" for some. I actually stopped my camps about 5 years in, because I found I really was no different than anyone else, and kids were only getting marginally better. Why take their money, if they are only going to get a little better. That is extortion, and it is going on everywhere in camps today.

I needed an overhaul in my own thinking, and throwing motion, I wasn't really even doing mechanically, what I taught them myself. That was hypocrisy, and this would be no shortcut or easy fix. Now, I was well-coached by Mike Kruczek, then UCF's QB coach, now Arizona Cardinals QB coach, and given a great foundation.

What was missing was the same thing that was missing in the camps I attended as a player, "Why?" The QBs were not convinced of their need to do anything different, and therefore were not changed. These could not be just any reasons "Why" to what we do, but they had to be ones that were fundamentally sound beyond dispute, in every phase of QB play, to work in every kid, in every school, in the world. Heady stuff. There are many ways people do things, but the fundamentals must be beyond dispute, and that is what I teach.

So am I saying, there is only 1 way to do it? No, but I am very persuasive about what must be done by fact, regardless of how you "think" you should do it. There is no such thing as "half-pregnant" Ha Ha Ha!

Case in point, two years ago, I spoke at the Indy coaches clinic, and an Orthopaedic doctor was present(Team doctor for the Indiana pacers). His comment on my mechanics teaching, "Your biomechanics and teaching of proper throwing mechanics, cannot be improved upon. That is the best throwing presentation I have ever heard." Kind of him to say, but he said it because I backed up what I said with WHY, and it even passed a respected orthopaedic's unbiased observation.

I have spent thousands of hours on the field over 18 years working with some of the least talented athletes you have ever seen to carve out quarterbacks that any HS coach can "passably" win with. Even my own at my HS I have had to build QBs every year with no real talent.

Conversely, I just watched one of my students, Matt Flynn, of LSU, take apart the Miami defense in the Peach Bowl the other night, and that was just amazing to watch.

I have worked with both, but found them strikingly similar in more ways than you could imagine. Why? Because they are all the built the same, and have the same rules that apply, regardless of talent.

What you need is a resource that will get you a kid that won't get you beat, because he can "self-correct" - that is what I offer - in short order. Fast results. Why? QBs and coaches are skittish about change, so you need to be able to produce serious results, Right away. In order for anyone to buy in to real change, it has to make sense and they have to be able to do it. Otherwise, they will just go back to whatever they do, because they are not convinced. I had a very skeptical coach in KY last year with serious arm problems literally go from not being able to throw 6 balls for arm numbness for the past 5 years, to throwing 100 impressive balls with no pain in 2 practices. It works.

Coach, you know as I do, that QBs are not usually the best athlete on your team. IMO, if your best athlete is your QB, you are in trouble in the long run.

In order to build confidence in your QBs, you must establish standards in him based on facts that exist outside anyone's opinion, regardless of who is coaching or the rings he has won.

Using a blend of science, biomechanics, and common sense, I feel I have been given a unique perspective on QB development that is transforming the way QBs think and play, and the way coaches coach the QB. I say "given" because I don't believe it is appropriate for me to take all the credit for so many of the incredible things I have seen happen in this program. I have a passion to share what I believe God has blessed me with for QBs and those who coach them. Tons of sleepless nights, pacing in my living room, grinding over concepts again and again to make them understandable to even the youngest athlete or newest coach.

Why? So, I can get rich? HaHa, I am a coach. It is so I can help you.

Why? Because when I was a player, what I am doing did not exist. I struggled all the way through the Semi-finals of the National Championship my senior year as an All-American with confidence problems.

Why? Because I could not understand WHY I made many of the the mistakes I did as a QB,and no one ever took the time to explain it to me in a way that I could understand it.

I have to stop now, because this board isn't about selling, it is about helping and I have severely crossed the line. But coach, If I have to sell you to help you, I will.

I feel I have been swimming upstream for many years, trying to get some very stubborn and skeptical coaches to understand some "new" things that really do work. As you know, "new" things don't go over real well with most coaches, or people for that matter. We are a very skeptical bunch, and rightly so. But as it relates to what I am trying to do, I see the level of frustration that coaches are having with their QBs and their lack of development, and I just can't be quiet about it anymore.

Coach Huey has been kind enough to allow me some latitude in sharing like this on his board, but understand WHY? He started this board to help coaches and Players, and I think that is what he sees in what I am trying to do. What makes me different? You can read about it on my site, and call me and I will answer any questions you have.
As I tell the kids I work with...
"Gentlemen, I am not here to help you compete at your school, or in your district, I am here to help you take over...so you can serve." I want to do that for you.


Now, to make this post legit and not a sales pitch.

Confidence in a QB isn't built in them having done it before and having someone validate them by saying they are good because they have done it. The ends never justify the means.

Confidence is forged in QBs through getting them to believe in why they do what they are doing with a passion. It comes in convincing them that a confidence that cannot be shaken lies in the truth that they have nothing better to do in the QB position than to lay down their life for their friends. Everything else they do is just 4 yards and a pile of dust. That is passion.