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Post by futureqbcoach on Jan 28, 2006 13:04:59 GMT -6
What are the advantages of all that pre snap shifting. i like motion but i've always thought the shifting was alot of hocus pocus.
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moose18
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Post by moose18 on Jan 28, 2006 13:10:40 GMT -6
can cause a lot of personnel mismatches. We are a 2x2 shotgun team running a lot of Urban Meyer type stuff. Our best player is our RB. Against our best opponent last year we would line up 2x2 Gun and shift our slot opposite the RB into the backfield and bump our RB out to become #3 in trips. So picture 2x2 gun with RB Rt. Lt slot becomes RB on the left of the QB and the RB moving out turns it to trips right. What it did was allow us to match our best player on their OLB where we had a distinct advantage. Threw bubble to death that game. Eventually they moved their best corner to OLB to match up on him, then we just ran it at him and threw to our WR at his vacated Corner.
Kinda wordy explanation and this is a simple shift, but this one simple shift cause a whole crapload of adjustments for their staff and it was simple for us to find the mismatch
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Post by futureqbcoach on Jan 28, 2006 14:17:21 GMT -6
ok...i get all that, but why couldnt you just come out in trips with your RB at #3? its not like you're tricking them with personnel or anything. i do like your concept though
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Post by moose18 on Jan 28, 2006 14:23:28 GMT -6
we'd do that occasionally, but there wasn't really a threat of him running the ball on those plays. If he lined up in the slot it pretty much gave away our intentions. When we shifted it made the defense react. This was just one simple version of what we'd do. We'd come out in 3x1. step two guys to the trips side up on the LOS and back the single receiver off. We'd then send him in motion and run a jet sweep/speed option combo play. The OL would block Zone to trips side (how we block our jet sweep) and leave the backside 5 tech unblocked. If the CB followed the WR in motion, the QB would pull the ball and run speed option off the 5 tech. If the CB stayed, QB gives to WR for Jet sweep.
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Post by bulldog on Jan 28, 2006 15:34:54 GMT -6
Shifting and motion can have a few motives (mostly for the passing game). . .
1. Determining coverage - if they are in man, someone has to go with him . . .
2. Determining coverage checks - you can find that you force teams into certain coverages . .
3. Setting matchups - you can isolation certain players (say by lining up in Trips and you know the D will put both Corners on that side, then putting your best receiver at RB and shifting him out to the TE side so a LB has to cover him).
4. Using the Defense's alignment/assignment rules against them - for example if a team always bumps the corner to the widest receiver, then you lineup the WR into a 'slot' position and motion a RB wide past him, then you have the WR vs. a LB/Saf and the RB vs. a Corner.
5. Create Confusion - Some teams struggle getting lined-up quickly. For example, boucing the TE from one side to another and sometimes mixing-in TE motion, you can catch the D trying to flop.
6. Create space - If you can move run defenders out of the box, where you don't have to block them . . . especially if the player you are moving is a good defender.
7. Line-up vs. Shift - Some defenses will align differently if the O lines-up in the formation vs. if they shift or motion to it. For example, if you know that a team always checks to Cover 3 vs. Empty when they are in a certain front. When they might run a different front/cover 4 if the O lines-up in empty - you might want to throw Seams, Posts . . . .
Almost all of this requires serious film study and tendency examination. I worked with one of the best OC's I have ever met at a JC, and in the first quarter, he always had a set of formations, motions and shifts that he ran to test the D's reaction. After he got his insight, he would pick the D apart. We averaged over 700 yds a game in offense and were ranked in the national top 10 . . .almost every game he had a pass defender that he picked-on without mercy.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 28, 2006 15:58:46 GMT -6
Shifting also creates some simplicity in defenses. Lots of teams just start playing very basic when they see shifting, TE trades etc.
Also, to add on to # 5 by bulldog, TE trading and shifting allows for the opportunity to put the front 7 in an uncomfortable position. Lots of teams want to align with specific individuals basing their alignments on the TE position (example, a Strong DE who always lines up on the TE etc.). If you line up, then trade, the D either has to move people all around, OR play a player position they are not as confortable with.
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Post by futureqbcoach on Jan 28, 2006 16:34:01 GMT -6
I think we got a little off subject but i think #5 and #7 were what i was looking for. understand why you use motion. i love motion. has many benefits. i was more curious about shifting as in moving 3-4 people at a time. all good information though. thanks guys
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 28, 2006 22:22:05 GMT -6
Well, just as in shifting just a TE, shifting multiple people tends to make a DC play a bit more vanilla in his playcalling. AND if nothing else, It is something that you don't worry about on offense because it is part of the package..and THEY worry about A LOT because they don't want to get caught unprepared
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