cv13
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Post by cv13 on Jul 18, 2013 11:27:40 GMT -6
One of the most frustrating things for me is getting younger players to buy in... This will be my 3rd year at my school and I am now calling plays for the freshman team and I also coach WR's for varsity. On defensive days I usually work with the scout team and I'm stuck with limited options to give looks against our varsity D.
Anybody have strategies for getting kids to grow up and play quickly?
These freshman I've got seem to be stuck in 1st gear going half speed on every rep... they don't even know what they're capable of... so frustrating.
Anything?
Thanks guys...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 12:13:39 GMT -6
No effort on scout team, no play time come game time?
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 18, 2013 13:00:37 GMT -6
Encourage them to embarrass the starters by making plays and praise/reward them for doing so.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 18, 2013 13:29:39 GMT -6
Up downs?
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Post by bluedevil4 on Jul 18, 2013 13:39:41 GMT -6
That was what we used to do, but over time, as players got in better shape, and as they realized it didn't influence playing time, they would simply accept the down-ups and treated it just like a regular drill. Our program's approach is that if you don't care, you won't put in the effort, and you won't play. We really do not do much in terms of motivational speaking. We just tell our kids what they need to do if they want to succeed. If they choose to be lazy, then they will not succeed. Same goes for the program as a whole. We encourage them to adopt the program, as it is just as much their program as it is for us coaches. Again, if you want to be lazy, fine. If you don't want to put in the effort, fine...but we won't win. We tell them it is their choice. This laid back and "simple reminder," approach has payed off really well for us. What we are seeing now, is that the starters who have gotten comfortable feeling that their starting spot is locked up, have been getting lazy/getting and ego, and now, are getting replaced by younger/less athletic guys who are simply out-working the starters. We have about four or five players that hardly ever saw the field last year, and now have worked their ways into potential starting roles over their own classmates that started over them. Fortunately, many of our starters have answered that threat to their playing time with working harder as well. We still aren't as strong as we want to be, but we are definitely getting better each year.
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Post by rudyrude9 on Jul 18, 2013 14:03:28 GMT -6
I wouldn't want to be a freshman going up against seniors. But if that is all you have I would be sure to limit the amount of OLine vs DLine contact. The vast majority of our scout reps vs our D do not include an OLine or DLine.
The skill guys should have no excuse. Its always fun to go run, catch and throw a football. (as long as of course you #1 D isn't sh!t rocking them) Keep everything thud.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jul 18, 2013 15:04:44 GMT -6
I'm sure they care, but like rudyrude9 alluded to, there is no way a 9th grade lineman should be able to go toe to toe with a 12th grade lineman. The "lack of caring" may very well be their defense mechanism.
Can your varsity DL just fit in to their gaps and not go full go? That may help give your OL incentive to go faster and try a little more, it's no fun getting your butt handed to you physically then getting told you don't care.
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ntshu98
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Post by ntshu98 on Jul 18, 2013 21:49:09 GMT -6
I wouldn't want to be a freshman going up against seniors. But if that is all you have I would be sure to limit the amount of OLine vs DLine contact. The vast majority of our scout reps vs our D do not include an OLine or DLine. The skill guys should have no excuse. Its always fun to go run, catch and throw a football. (as long as of course you #1 D isn't sh!t rocking them) Keep everything thud. I completely agree. In our program, freshman do NOT go against varsity players. We hold a separate freshman practice. I do acknowledge this might not be possible at all schools, but if you want to develop confident competitors, you must provide them with an environment where success is a possibility. If they go day in and out getting their butts kicked, eventually their zeal for their function in the program will fade. In my personal opinion, you are probably doing more harm if you chastise them for a poor effort when it is a no win situation (although I do agree that in the skill positions there is less of an excuse). It's a rare athlete who can compete with mature varsity athletes as a freshman.
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orion320
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Post by orion320 on Jul 19, 2013 8:51:23 GMT -6
In an ideal situation you do want freshman to have an independent practice. Unfortunately at my school we do not have enough freshman number to do this. During team, 7 on 7, and inside run/interior, the Varsity are together and the Frosh/Sophs are together. As the head JV coach I decided that during summer camp (July) I create two teams with Frosh/Soph mixed so that each team is basically equal at each position. I always reiterate that this is competition for 1st team in August. Then come our first practice in August I create the depth chart and there are always 1 or 2 freshman that start on our JV Squad.
During the season the freshman get better week to week and by about week 3 they give the sophs a great look. I think this is mostly in part to the fact that they know they are 1 play away from being that starter due to being mixed in the summer.
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 19, 2013 8:54:42 GMT -6
I have had to use frosh as part of varsity several times in my career. IN some cases, many in fact, buy in from younger guys was easier. Ultimately how do you treat them? do you treat them as scum, less then, blocking dummies? or are you treating them as equals regardless of grade level?
Currently our frosh are working right along side our varsity guys in the weight room. They are nowhere near strong enough to scrimmage with the upperclassmen and play the game with the same speed and tenacity. Theyd get crushed and probably would lay down knowing that its not going to be fun to do that for long.
Do you have any other options other than going live against frosh?
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Post by bluboy on Jul 19, 2013 12:13:15 GMT -6
Each week we award a t-shirt to the offensive scout team player, the defensive scout team player, and the special teams scout team players of the week. These shirts are awarded at the end of practice on the game field at the end of our pre-game practice and is done in front of the entire team.
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Post by brophy on Jul 19, 2013 12:33:49 GMT -6
Run scout team like your scheme, thats how.
Reps on scout team equal reps on the real team.
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mcrsa75
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Post by mcrsa75 on Jul 19, 2013 21:42:48 GMT -6
Do you have to use the freshmen team as a scout team? In my experience, you are not getting a quality look for the varsity. In most cases, the varsity will develop a false of confidence going against lower level skill kids in practice.
However, I do understand that some situations dictate that you must use them as scout team for the varsity. I would limit their use to the following specific situations:
OFFENSE
scout defense holds shields so that varsity offense can run/review plays against them 7 vs. 7 skeleton
DEFENSE
scout defense utilized for formation recognition (opposing team) 7 vs. 7 skeleton
In my experience, these scenarios present the best use of freshmen on the scout team. I would reward them with some form of recognition (stickers, shirt, etc...) for outstanding effort. Ask yourself if you would want to spend a majority of your time being a practice dummy for somebody else?
MCRSA75
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Post by veerman on Jul 20, 2013 9:16:36 GMT -6
I agree with others, freshman don't need to be scout against varsity. And if your freshman can give your varsity good looks force then to do things right then you already have bigger problems, but it's not with freshman.
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cv13
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Post by cv13 on Jul 22, 2013 22:07:47 GMT -6
I'm really not sure why I bother to ask questions on this board.
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Post by fantom on Jul 22, 2013 22:39:29 GMT -6
I'm really not sure why I bother to ask questions on this board. What's the problem? There wasn't one smarta$$ answer, which is kind of rare.
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Post by mmcghghy on Jul 23, 2013 16:42:01 GMT -6
CV13 there seems to be some confusion as to whether you actually use freshman as a varsity scout team? From what you have described, you call plays for the freshman, but you work with the varsity WR. I would say you have been put in a difficult role as a coach. I would be curious to know what the ratio is of instructional time with the freshman compared to the varsity? I am the head freshman coach at my high school with absolutely no varsity responsibilities at all. It gives me an opportunity to work with only freshman and they get to know me as a person. I relate coaching to teaching, and if the student or in this case the athlete trusts you and you have created a relationship with that kid, then they will put in that effort for you. I try to get over to the middle school on thursday after practice to watch the 7th and 8th grade practice. I get to know these kids and start to build a relationship with them before I actually get to coach them.
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Post by veerman on Jul 23, 2013 21:16:22 GMT -6
Yes, was under the impression the the freshman was scout team for the varsity. If I came off too harsh I'm sorry. To answer OP, we give our scout team kids something in return..... we give icey pops after practice. if they have good effort they get multiple, bad effort they don't get any.... be surprised what a kid would do for an icey pop lol.
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