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Post by wildcat on Nov 24, 2007 22:11:20 GMT -6
OK...Let's figure that KU loses tonight
The BCS SHOULD look something like this tomorrow, right?
1 - Missouri 2 - West Virginia 3 - Ohio State 4 - Georgia 5 - Virginia Tech 6 - Oklahoma 7 - USC 8 - Kansas 9 - Florida 10 - BC 11 - Hawaii 12 - Illinois
If Missouri ends up losing the Big 12 Championship and West Virginia beats Pittsburgh, that should move OSU up to the NC game, right?
If that happens, which Big 10 team gets to go to the Rose Bowl? Would it be Illinois, with a higher BCS ranking, or would it be Michigan, because they finished higher in the Big 10 and beat Illinois?
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Post by khalfie on Nov 24, 2007 22:13:44 GMT -6
ITS ILLINOIS...
BCS is all about the BCS... old Rose Bowl affiliations only hold for the highest ranked BCS teams...
My understanding is that the Rose Bowl could conceivably not have a Big 10 representative, if BCS rankings didn't work out.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 24, 2007 22:16:58 GMT -6
OK...Let's figure that KU loses tonight The BCS SHOULD look something like this tomorrow, right? 1 - Missouri 2 - West Virginia 3 - Ohio State 4 - Georgia 5 - Virginia Tech 6 - Oklahoma 7 - USC 8 - Kansas 9 - Florida 10 - BC 11 - Hawaii 12 - Illinois If Missouri ends up losing the Big 12 Championship and West Virginia beats Pittsburgh, that should move OSU up to the NC game, right? If that happens, which Big 10 team gets to go to the Rose Bowl? Would it be Illinois, with a higher BCS ranking, or would it be Michigan, because they finished higher in the Big 10 and beat Illinois? My top five: 1. Missouri 2. West Virginia 3. Ohio State 4. Georgia 5. Virginia Tech As for the BCS rules: 3. If a bowl loses a host team to the NCG, then such bowl shall select a replacement team from among the automatic-qualifying teams and the at-large teams before any other selections are made. If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick. If the Rose Bowl loses both the Big Ten and Pac-10 champions to the NCG, it will receive two replacement picks. A bowl choosing a replacement team may not select any of the following: A. A team in the NCG; B. The host team for another BCS Bowl; C. When two bowls lose host teams, then the bowl losing the number one team may not select a replacement team from the same Conference as the number two team, unless the bowl losing the number two team consents. As I read it, the Rose Bowl can pick any BCS-eligible team. It doesn't have to be a Big Ten team.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 24, 2007 22:18:41 GMT -6
ITS ILLINOIS... BCS is all about the BCS... old Rose Bowl affiliations only hold for the highest ranked BCS teams... My understanding is that the Rose Bowl could conceivably not have a Big 10 representative, if BCS rankings didn't work out. Good to see you over here, Khal! I see that your self-imposed exile from Turk's has begun...is it permanent? So...does that mean Illinois WON'T go to the Rose Bowl, given the scenario I proposed?
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 24, 2007 22:20:59 GMT -6
If OSU gets into the NC game...
Let Hawaii play!! There should be no doubt after the performance that Boise State put together last year that a "mid-major" can hang with the big boys.
Hawaii vs. USC
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Post by wildcat on Nov 24, 2007 22:23:48 GMT -6
My top five: 1. Missouri 2. West Virginia 3. Ohio State 4. Georgia 5. Virginia Tech As for the BCS rules: 3. If a bowl loses a host team to the NCG, then such bowl shall select a replacement team from among the automatic-qualifying teams and the at-large teams before any other selections are made. If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick. If the Rose Bowl loses both the Big Ten and Pac-10 champions to the NCG, it will receive two replacement picks. A bowl choosing a replacement team may not select any of the following: A. A team in the NCG; B. The host team for another BCS Bowl; C. When two bowls lose host teams, then the bowl losing the number one team may not select a replacement team from the same Conference as the number two team, unless the bowl losing the number two team consents. As I read it, the Rose Bowl can pick any BCS-eligible team. It doesn't have to be a Big Ten team.prez - thanks...makes sense. So Illinois only goes to the Rose Bowl (given the scenario I proposed) if the Rose Bowl selection committee wants them?
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 24, 2007 22:25:12 GMT -6
prez - thanks...makes sense. So Illinois only goes to the Rose Bowl (given the scenario I proposed) if the Rose Bowl selection committee wants them? Yes, I believe that is correct. Assuming that Illinois is BCS eligible?
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Post by wildcat on Nov 24, 2007 22:27:19 GMT -6
They have to finish in the top 14, right?
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Post by khalfie on Nov 24, 2007 22:27:46 GMT -6
ITS ILLINOIS... BCS is all about the BCS... old Rose Bowl affiliations only hold for the highest ranked BCS teams... My understanding is that the Rose Bowl could conceivably not have a Big 10 representative, if BCS rankings didn't work out. Good to see you over here, Khal! I see that your self-imposed exile from Turk's has begun...is it permanent? So...does that mean Illinois WON'T go to the Rose Bowl, given the scenario I proposed? A bet's a bet... I lost... I'm out til Wilk says so... No... Illinois should be able to go to the Rose, they'll be that first selection replacement pick by the Rose... Though I think the nation really wants them to hook up with Florida... I'd like to see Hawaii get a big dog.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 24, 2007 22:32:01 GMT -6
No... Illinois should be able to go to the Rose, they'll be that first selection replacement pick by the Rose... Though I think the nation really wants them to hook up with Florida... I'd like to see Hawaii get a big dog. Juice and Tebow in the same game...I've got the TiVo warmed up! Would like to see Hawaii get a shot, too.
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Post by Yash on Nov 24, 2007 22:34:35 GMT -6
I want Hawaii vs LSU, cuz I want Hawaii to get beat for playing such a crappy schedule. Or hawaii vs USC, whoever will stomp them. is Kansas still a BCS team even with a loss?
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Post by khalfie on Nov 24, 2007 22:45:04 GMT -6
I want Hawaii vs LSU, cuz I want Hawaii to get beat for playing such a crappy schedule. Or hawaii vs USC, whoever will stomp them. is Kansas still a BCS team even with a loss? I think Kansas falls hard, with this loss... All the way passed Illinois.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 24, 2007 22:46:06 GMT -6
I want Hawaii vs LSU, cuz I want Hawaii to get beat for playing such a crappy schedule. Or hawaii vs USC, whoever will stomp them. is Kansas still a BCS team even with a loss? I think Kansas falls hard, with this loss... All the way passed Illinois. Really??? They actually played pretty well tonight and they still are only a 1-loss team.
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Post by khalfie on Nov 24, 2007 22:52:09 GMT -6
I think Kansas falls hard, with this loss... All the way passed Illinois. Really??? They actually played pretty well tonight and they still are only a 1-loss team. Yeah... But not one credible victory... 2007 SCHEDULE Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result 09/01/07 vs. Central Michigan Lawrence, Kan. W, 52-7 09/08/07 vs. SE Louisiana Lawrence, Kan. W, 62-0 09/15/07 vs. Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W, 45-13 09/22/07 vs. Florida International Lawrence, Kan. W, 55-3 10/06/07 at Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. W, 30-24 10/13/07 vs. Baylor Lawrence, Kan. W, 58-10 10/20/07 at Colorado Boulder, Colo. W, 19-14 10/27/07 at Texas A&M College Station, Texas W, 19-11 11/03/07 vs. Nebraska Lawrence, Kan. W, 76-39 11/10/07 at Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. W, 43-28 11/17/07 vs. Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. W, 45-7 11/24/07 vs. Missouri Kansas City, Mo. 7:00 p.m. CT 12/01/07 Big 12 Championship San Antonio, Texas 7:00 p.m. CT They might as well be Hawaii
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Post by los on Nov 25, 2007 6:42:41 GMT -6
Thats a good point Khalfie! Same for West Va. though, in my opinion! They're "fun" to watch and all but... How do they sneak up, so high in the rankings? Strength of schedule = Most of the teams on their schedule had losing seasons this year. Is the Big East...... thaaaat much better of a football conference than the WAC? If its about the "W's", any way you can get them, lets get Hawaii up there in the top 2 or 3 where they belong and give the Wac their rightful shot at this "mythical" title! They got the "W"'s to "prove" they're legit, and they're fun to watch too! If the argument is, "they don't play enough good teams" or "their conference is weak" or "we don't see them playing on TV"..... well, everyone else in the top ten should = take a reality check and examine the schedules they had.
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Post by coachnichols on Nov 25, 2007 9:16:49 GMT -6
I don't know how the damn BCS point/percentage crap works out, but I know West Virginia was #3, Missouri was #4 and Missouri beat a overrated Kansas team that started to came back and put 28 on Missouri at the end of the game. All West Virginia did was come out and run for 500+ and hang 66 on a decent team. I'm not saying it won't happen, but I don't see how Missouri should vault over West Virginia in the rankings. I kind of hope they do and make Missouri that much more full of themselves.
As far as "bashing" West Virginia by comparing them to Kansas...OMG! Strength of schedule? Most of the teams WV played did not have losing seasons, but KU's opponetns did.
Western Michigan(5-7) W 62-24 Marshall(3-9) W 48-23 Maryland(6-6) W 31-14 East Carolina(7-5) W 48-7 (18) South Florida(9-3) L 13-21 Syracuse(2-10) W 55-14 Mississippi State(7-5) W 38-13 (25) Rutgers(7-4) W 31-3 Louisville(5-6) W 38-31 (21) Cincinnati(9-3) W 28-23 (20) Connecticut(9-3) W 66-21 Pittsburg(4-7) ?
Opponents=73-68 wins to losses.
KU's Central Michigan(7-5) W, 52-7 SE Louisiana(3-8) W, 62-0 Toledo(5-7) W, 45-13 Florida Int. (0-11) W, 55-3 Kansas State(5-7) W, 30-24 Baylor(3-9) W, 58-10 Colorado(6-6) W, 19-14 Texas A&M(7-5) W, 19-11 Nebraska(5-7) W, 76-39 Oklahoma State(6-6) W, 43-28 Iowa State(3-9) W, 45-7 Missouri(11-1) L, 28-36
Opponents=61-81 wins to losses.
"Is the Big East...... thaaaat much better of a football conference than the WAC?" Um, yeah it is. The WAC is terrible overall.
Western Athletic Conferenc Hawaii (14) 8-0 11-0 Boise State (17) 7-1 10-2 Fresno State 5-2 7-4 Louisiana Tech 4-3 5-6 San Jose State 4-4 5-7 Nevada 3-4 5-6 Utah State 2-6 2-10 New Mexico State 1-6 4-8 Idaho 0-8 1-11
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 25, 2007 9:45:33 GMT -6
Kansas strength of schedule before the Missouri game was 117 of 119. Only Hawaii and Boise State were worse!
WV was 55.
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Post by khalfie on Nov 25, 2007 9:56:11 GMT -6
On second thought...
I'd like to see Hawaii vs Florida... battle of the Heismans?
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 25, 2007 10:06:10 GMT -6
I don't think Missouri will jump West Virginia in the polls.
Should look like this tomororw...
1) West Virginia 2) Missouri 3) Ohio State 4) Georgia 5) Virginia Tech 6) USC 7) Oklahoma 8) LSU 9) Kansas 10) Florida * Best Team Right Now 11) Arizona St. 12) Boston College 13) Hawaii
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Post by falseintellect on Nov 25, 2007 10:50:32 GMT -6
i am now a huge WV and Mizzou fan. with ohio states regular season over someone could jump over them like michigan last year but there isnt anyone close enough who will play a big game.. i just dont want to to see ohio state in there against a team they could actually beat, since we know they will get killed by lsu, florida, usc, probably most of the sec..
i think no matter what the best team in the country isnt probably going to play in the title game, but that is why the bcs system is so flawed...
boise state last year makes me a little less skeptical of hawaii but still.... hawaii has now beaten one decent team and faces their toughest test of the season next week against pac10 last-place washingon (who also beat boise state). thats sarcasm, dont they actually play THE easiest schedule in the country? despite "impressive" late comeback wins over powerhouses like san jose state, im still not convinced. i like colt brennan, but seriously schedule some good teams. fresno state always loads up their schedule..
my problem is that hawaii will take a bcs spot and there are better teams that are #2 or 3 in better conferences that deserve an at-large bid. well at least we dont have notre dame wasting a spot this year.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 25, 2007 11:02:04 GMT -6
Hawaii's offense is the real deal, the challenge is on their defense. I think they are ranked around where they belong. I actually think they are a top 10 team but we'll find out after their bowl game.
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Post by FlexboneOne on Nov 25, 2007 11:11:11 GMT -6
If Boise State got a BCS shot last year, and won the game, I dont care how many wins Hawaii's conference has, THEY SHOULD GET A SHOT.
Hawaii's offense is {censored} good, and they have athletes all over the field on both sides of the ball. Sounds like a winner to me.
NOTE- I hear that Hawaii tried to schedule stonger teams in their non-conference schedule, but many teams did not want to travel to Hawaii to play them. If this is true, it explains alot.
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Post by falseintellect on Nov 25, 2007 11:37:58 GMT -6
thats understandable... play some tougher road games then.. if you want to be the best, you have to at least play the best..
i understand and agree they should get a bcs shot with our current system. there are a lot of teams from other conferences who could dominate in the wac or with that schedule but wont get a shot in a bcs game because they cant win a tough conference. but i realize theres a lot more factors to consider.
i personally have doubts they will beat washington so it may not even matter... despite washington being last place in the pac10..
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Post by los on Nov 25, 2007 12:18:20 GMT -6
Ha, Ha, Ha, I really wasn't bashing or comparing WV and KU or MO , only purposely mocking the "system"... but, since were talking about it, how can KU be just an "overrated" team and not be "decent" also? And far as WV hangin 66 on "who".... what traditional football powerhouse was that? Oh yeah, that school thats real good in basketball! It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out over the next little while.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 25, 2007 12:27:48 GMT -6
If the BSC when to a playoff format it would open the door for more teams like Hawaii because like the former D1AA, 2, and 3 they give more automatic births like NCAA basketball. I'm not saying they would give every conference an automatic birth but there would have to give more out than just the BSC Conf. now
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Post by cmow5 on Nov 25, 2007 13:05:46 GMT -6
If they went to a playoff system then what would everyone argue about this time a year. I for one like the current system. It forces you to schedule good teams (well kind of) and every week counts. With the exception of this year and maybe a few others you knew your team was going to have to win every game to even talk about a NC.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2007 18:13:09 GMT -6
As a general rule, the BCS games try to maintain traditional matchups like Pac 10-Big Ten in the Rose, an SEC team in the Sugar, etc. Sometimes the numbers allow it, sometimes they don't. In the case of Michigan or ILL in the Rose, I would think the Rose Bowl would like Michigan being the second team and guaranteed large draw and TV rating. Not sure if they'll get that choice though.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 25, 2007 19:05:22 GMT -6
NOTE- I hear that Hawaii tried to schedule stonger teams in their non-conference schedule, but many teams did not want to travel to Hawaii to play them. If this is true, it explains alot. Many teams will refuse to play Boise State or Hawaii, even on their own field.
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Post by FlexboneOne on Nov 26, 2007 0:12:28 GMT -6
NOTE- I hear that Hawaii tried to schedule stonger teams in their non-conference schedule, but many teams did not want to travel to Hawaii to play them. If this is true, it explains alot. Many teams will refuse to play Boise State or Hawaii, even on their own field. and that is a shame. It puts them out of the NC talk automatically, even though it is entirely plausible that they could win. I think Hawaii would score points on anyone. it would sure make for an exciting game
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Post by coachnichols on Nov 26, 2007 10:13:26 GMT -6
All I've got to say is West Virginia better trash Pitt next week, and I sooooooooooooooooooo hope Missouri can beat Oklahoma. I sooooooooooooooo don't want to see Ohio State in the NC game! Even so, if they play West Virginia, I think they'll get beaten badly. Maybe not as badly as last year, but it won't be close vs. West Virginia. Despite what some people on here seem to think, beating the everloving {censored} out of a good UConn team is a sign of what's coming!
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