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Post by formrbcbuc on Dec 23, 2012 14:08:21 GMT -6
At the youth level we run a 2 gap 3-4 defense with three true DL and run correctly 4 different coverages. We also show a 4-3 under, 3-5, and 2-5-4 look on defense. On offense w run a multiple I formation, zone running scheme. We have developed kickers that can hit a 25 - 30 yd field goal.
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Post by shotgunfivewide5 on Dec 23, 2012 21:14:24 GMT -6
coach bailey from lamar high school is the real deal. He has won the last 2a or 3a state championships in missouri. he is way to humble. their offense is a machine have watched them in the last two state championship game...as far as we went last year we had an odd year...we averaged 37 points per game and only game up around 14.....we had two or three interceptions for the whole year and maybe 4 fumbles that we did not get back...it was a good defense that could not many times not get off the field...there were many times that we got very few possessions....now let me qualify my above posts...that was with our first string in....there were times where our reserves would not make it on fourth down but rarely even then did we punt...i had rather try to make it on first down than to punt. we were able to use so much time on the clock that it was difficult for our opponents to score alot....the year before we ran 72 offensive plays compared to their 24 for the entire game and only won by one score...also this year i said we averaged 34 for the entire season, we lost our first game of the year in the playoffs....in week ten our opponents were a division bigger and they ran 6 offensive plays for the half...we did not score fast, run or pass most of our scoring drives were around 14 to 16 plays...we would run all different types of tempos, slow huddle, fast huddle, sugar huddle, slow no huddle, fast no huddle and we had atleast 1 package of 3 plays where we went as fast as possible...our best defense was our offense....just stating how we did it...i am not bragging....coach bailey at lamar made us look like a kindergarden team
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Post by tango on Dec 24, 2012 9:10:48 GMT -6
33 on defense and run it with the DL reading more like a 34. Only run cover 3 with tags. Coach Dos weight program which is different than most in our area. We do not run any gun stuff. Do not run during the season. Don't not go to the ground after the 2nd week of practice. Kick deep on kick offs. Punt only out tight formation.
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Post by airraider on Dec 24, 2012 16:23:37 GMT -6
Last year we dropped kicked for extra points and FG's... figure its easier than working on a short snap, hold, and place kick... we do it with our punt team and actually do it from some other formations so they have to value it as a trick formation... we toyed with it a little this year on kick offs for onside and sky kicks... tried it once last year on kick off and he missed the ball!!! talking about making your butthole pucker!!!
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Post by Coach Bennett on Dec 24, 2012 19:04:37 GMT -6
Anyone punt by using your field goal unit?
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Post by msalazar51 on Dec 24, 2012 19:06:39 GMT -6
We run a two-back, mostly Under Center Offense primarily from a "Pro" formation and a seven-man front Defense. And we huddle on Offense! How wild and whacky is THAT?! I love the quote above...old school, just gett'n it done! Perfect!
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 24, 2012 19:33:50 GMT -6
Anyone punt by using your field goal unit? Team I coached with tee punted somewhat frequently...
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Post by davishfc on Dec 24, 2012 20:35:21 GMT -6
We run a two-back, mostly Under Center Offense primarily from a "Pro" formation and a seven-man front Defense. And we huddle on Offense! How wild and whacky is THAT?! WHAT!!! LOL! ;D
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 24, 2012 21:56:19 GMT -6
Anyone punt by using your field goal unit? Team I coached with tee punted somewhat frequently... I guess I do the opposite. I kick field goals with my punt unit? Anyway, same 12 guys on P, FG, KO. We also get a lot more field goals returned, so we need to cover.
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Post by msalazar51 on Dec 24, 2012 21:58:31 GMT -6
In all honesty, I have been toying with the idea of never punting. The problem is getting your staff on board. Three years ago, experiencing a tough season...we were 0 - 6 by this time. We are playing a spread team that has three great receivers, the fourth one would have been the fastest and best player on our team. Their QB, solid, smart kid with a good arm. These guys are supposed to beat us by at least five scores. You guys get the picture.
Well I go to my OC and ask, "if you know that we will not punt, no matter what, is third down a different call?" He said it was, the decision was made. The only shot we had was to keep their offense on the bench...
That night we were 7 of 9 on 4th down and every drive that we converted a 4th down we scored! On one drive we converted three 4th downs!
In the end we lost by 12, but we were in the game till the end, it would be the last 4th down attempt that did us in. Down by 5 with 2:21 left we went four a 4th & 8, we picked up seven and turned the ball over on our 33. All people talked about was how stupid I was to go for it on the last 4th down. No mention of the other eight times we tried, and we converted a 4th and 11 as well as a 4th and 9. Silly people failed to take into consideration that we were down by 5 late in the fourth quarter...most coaches would have been compelled to go for it!
I want to have a program that never punts!
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Post by coachweav88 on Dec 24, 2012 23:21:11 GMT -6
What about things that shouldn't work, but do work? Ive coached with a guy that puts in new stuff in the locker room 5 minutes before they go out to play a game. He's been pretty succesful.
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Post by airraider on Dec 25, 2012 0:34:22 GMT -6
What about things that shouldn't work, but do work? Ive coached with a guy that puts in new stuff in the locker room 5 minutes before they go out to play a game. He's been pretty succesful. I was on my backup QB one season and my 2nd team kid got sick and couldnt play... I had no faith in the 3rd string kid who was a freshman running our base offense.. so... I put 12 plays in a wrist band... drew them up with 4 on each side of the flip sheet... so the actual plays were fully drawn out.. It was an overload formation and we ran jet, sprint out, counter, and a few other plays... They got the wrist bands in the lobby off the school's gym and we walked through them in there... The kid threw for 250 yards and 3tds that night all on plays we put in an hour before kick off...
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Post by shotgunfivewide5 on Dec 25, 2012 11:38:38 GMT -6
i think that we limit ourselves and our kids sometimes by our thought processes. I know coaches go on and on about contrairan and unorthodox methods, we are old school also but sometimes you have to tweak things to better help your kids out.....it is always about giving your kids a chance to help your kids win.....i am not a huge fan of tony franklin, but i heard him once say, that you have to be willing to lose big to win big.
here is our formula: rush for 250 yards or more attempt to throw from 80 to 110 yards and 60%
we will do what works to win, we have only lost one time when we have rushed for 50 or more times per game...one time...their have been games in which we have thrown it for more 30 times
i have had teams that have thrown for 499 yards and another team that ran for 463 yards in a single game, i love throwing but sticking with the spread no huddle i would have been out of coaching by now..over my 23 years of coaching as weird as it sounds our win-lose point break point was if we scored 22 or more points per game we would win about 87% of our games
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Post by davishfc on Dec 25, 2012 20:42:53 GMT -6
What about things that shouldn't work, but do work? Ive coached with a guy that puts in new stuff in the locker room 5 minutes before they go out to play a game. He's been pretty succesful. I was on my backup QB one season and my 2nd team kid got sick and couldnt play... I had no faith in the 3rd string kid who was a freshman running our base offense.. so... I put 12 plays in a wrist band... drew them up with 4 on each side of the flip sheet... so the actual plays were fully drawn out.. It was an overload formation and we ran jet, sprint out, counter, and a few other plays... They got the wrist bands in the lobby off the school's gym and we walked through them in there... The kid threw for 250 yards and 3tds that night all on plays we put in an hour before kick off... When did the 2nd string kid go down? Wednesday or Thursday? Just wondering why you would've felt compelled to unveil the new offense the day of the game. Why not have gotten it drawn up earlier in the week and let the kid rep it all week long? I mean he performed well but he could have just as easily stunk the place up. This approach certainly can't be something you're advocating if you have the choice. This has got to be a last ditch effort, almost a desperation attempt to win a ball game.
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Post by kcbazooka on Nov 4, 2019 4:50:36 GMT -6
A pet peeve of mind is when coaches blow the whistle on bad snaps whether in shot gun or punt/ field goal/pat. It might happen in the game - the kids need to learn what to do.
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Post by morris on Nov 4, 2019 5:57:16 GMT -6
We didn’t punt all year and never kicked a PAT. We tried to punt twice in the first game and never got it off. I liked my chances on 4th more than punting. We didn’t have a kicker so we went for two. We always onside kicked or pouched it because I didn’t feel it made much of a difference field position wise. I’m not sure if we’ll do the same next year but right now I believe we will.
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 4, 2019 8:23:19 GMT -6
We didn’t punt all year and never kicked a PAT. We tried to punt twice in the first game and never got it off. I liked my chances on 4th more than punting. We didn’t have a kicker so we went for two. We always onside kicked or pouched it because I didn’t feel it made much of a difference field position wise. I’m not sure if we’ll do the same next year but right now I believe we will. Fortuntely, we have a solid PAT kicker (29/36) on the season, so we will continue to do that next year, but that's about the extent of his kicking range. I'm thinking about the onside/pooch every time approach to kicking off as well.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 4, 2019 8:40:05 GMT -6
We didn’t punt all year and never kicked a PAT. We tried to punt twice in the first game and never got it off. I liked my chances on 4th more than punting. We didn’t have a kicker so we went for two. We always onside kicked or pouched it because I didn’t feel it made much of a difference field position wise. I’m not sure if we’ll do the same next year but right now I believe we will. How often are you guys getting the ball back on onside kicks?
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Post by cwaltsmith on Nov 4, 2019 11:02:33 GMT -6
We didn’t punt all year and never kicked a PAT. We tried to punt twice in the first game and never got it off. I liked my chances on 4th more than punting. We didn’t have a kicker so we went for two. We always onside kicked or pouched it because I didn’t feel it made much of a difference field position wise. I’m not sure if we’ll do the same next year but right now I believe we will. Fortuntely, we have a solid PAT kicker (29/36) on the season, so we will continue to do that next year, but that's about the extent of his kicking range. I'm thinking about the onside/pooch every time approach to kicking off as well. Do you guys not feel you could make 15 out of 36 2 pt conversions??? if so would it not make sense to go for 2? just curious...
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 4, 2019 11:23:13 GMT -6
To be honest, it's never come up as a topic of conversation. Last year, with no consistent kicker, we went for two more often. But, I don't know the stats and we weren't nearly as good so didn't score anywhere near 36 TDs either.
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Post by nicku on Nov 4, 2019 11:29:24 GMT -6
3. We dont run sprints. Sled is used for conditioning. Sprints you can coast/cheat on. THe sled shows really quickly who is not pulling their weight. Big fan of this idea...how many sleds do yall have?
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Post by morris on Nov 4, 2019 11:40:59 GMT -6
We didn’t punt all year and never kicked a PAT. We tried to punt twice in the first game and never got it off. I liked my chances on 4th more than punting. We didn’t have a kicker so we went for two. We always onside kicked or pouched it because I didn’t feel it made much of a difference field position wise. I’m not sure if we’ll do the same next year but right now I believe we will. How often are you guys getting the ball back on onside kicks? Oh we sucked at recovering them lol. I think my special teams guy made it more complicated than it needed to be. Also in some games I told our players not to recover it (running clock type cases). We recovered 1 and that was against one of the best teams we played. We also never gave up a kickoff or punt returned for a TD and never had one blocked lol.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 4, 2019 11:43:27 GMT -6
Fortuntely, we have a solid PAT kicker (29/36) on the season, so we will continue to do that next year, but that's about the extent of his kicking range. I'm thinking about the onside/pooch every time approach to kicking off as well. Do you guys not feel you could make 15 out of 36 2 pt conversions??? if so would it not make sense to go for 2? just curious... I understand this perspective but I think it over simplifies the decision making. If the 15 made aren’t the right ones even though you got the points it still could have cost you a game.
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Post by gccwolverine on Nov 4, 2019 12:05:00 GMT -6
Do you guys not feel you could make 15 out of 36 2 pt conversions??? if so would it not make sense to go for 2? just curious... I understand this perspective but I think it over simplifies the decision making. If the 15 made aren’t the right ones even though you got the points it still could have cost you a game. Correct 15/36 needs to assume normal distribution. If you make 12 of the 15 against teams your up by 2 scores on and only make 3 of the remaining 18 in close 1 possession games you're giving away points. That being said I'm all for aggressiveness.
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Post by blb on Nov 4, 2019 12:09:21 GMT -6
Kicking is a skill that can be taught and developed just like passing, long snapping, punting.
Now it obviously helps if you have kid(s) with some natural ability and perhaps as importantly want-to because it takes some Off-Season work on their own.
Unless the coach doesn't want to put in the time to develop one or hope one just comes along or you get a kid from the Soccer team.
I wouldn't want to hope a passer, punter, or long snapper just showed up either, though.
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Post by blb on Nov 4, 2019 12:10:07 GMT -6
Do you guys not feel you could make 15 out of 36 2 pt conversions??? if so would it not make sense to go for 2? just curious... I understand this perspective but I think it over simplifies the decision making. If the 15 made aren’t the right ones even though you got the points it still could have cost you a game.
Sometimes it's not how many that matters but WHEN.
You can win games with FGs too, or perhaps lose games because you can't kick them.
If you have KO guy who can consistently put it into EZ or close to it your defense will be playing on the long field much more and consequently your offense on a short field more.
But you have to COACH it. Hope is a bad game plan.
And giving the ball to opponents outside their 30-near midfield after every KO puts a strain on both defense and offense.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 4, 2019 12:10:21 GMT -6
I understand this perspective but I think it over simplifies the decision making. If the 15 made aren’t the right ones even though you got the points it still could have cost you a game. Correct 15/36 needs to assume normal distribution. If you make 12 of the 15 against teams your up by 2 scores on and only make 3 of the remaining 18 in close 1 possession games you're giving away points. That being said I'm all for aggressiveness. I agree on the aggressiveness. I also like being able to take PAT out of practice and work an extra goalline period. We went for two every time last year and I really enjoyed it. There are multiple benefits to doing it. But I think you have to look beyond the math to justify it.
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Post by CoachC on Nov 4, 2019 12:10:56 GMT -6
Our kicker was terrible. We didn't even use a tee for kickoffs. I had him put the ball on the ground and aim for our logo. We did get some crazy ball flight and weird bounces. Opponents had a hard time fielding the ball. We didn't recover any but they weren't able to get any big returns either.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Nov 4, 2019 19:23:53 GMT -6
A 10-1 looks like this: 4 guys in the A and B gaps, penetration and stuffing their gap 2 guys playing wide contain-nothing outside 5 guys manned up on the eligibles C0 all the time (there are changeups, but that's the base), it has the offense matched up on numbers everywhere they try to go. It's a way of life. If you run a 35/52/53 think of it like running short yardage/ goal line 62 cover 0 defense.
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Post by bobgoodman on Nov 5, 2019 16:32:08 GMT -6
Our kicker was terrible. We didn't even use a tee for kickoffs. I had him put the ball on the ground and aim for our logo. We did get some crazy ball flight and weird bounces. Opponents had a hard time fielding the ball. We didn't recover any but they weren't able to get any big returns either. When the ball gets into the air from that, it's called the whirlybird kick.
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